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I love the idea of Oracle but I totally get why people don't like that a 20-year-old story where Barbara gets sexually assaulted ended up defining her character for a long-rear end time.
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I feel like you could adapt it by changing how she becomes disabled, but let's be real. The DCEU exists just to retread what the comics did as shallowly as possible.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:37
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Roth posted:I feel like you could adapt it by changing how she becomes disabled, but let's be real. The DCEU exists just to retread what the comics did as shallowly as possible. Then you lose that coveted Jared Leto cameo.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:39
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Roth posted:I feel like you could adapt it by changing how she becomes disabled, but let's be real. The DCEU exists just to retread what the comics did as shallowly as possible. The thought of Babs being shot on screen and gross comics nerds clapping when Jared Leto opens the door makes my dry heave.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:45
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Timeless Appeal posted:The thought of Babs being shot on screen and gross comics nerds clapping when Jared Leto opens the door makes my dry heave. I can't help but think this is exactly the last shot of the movie.
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Mar 31, 2017 03:08
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twistedmentat posted:I can't help but think this is exactly the last shot of the movie. No it won't eb. It'll be the post credit stinger.
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Mar 31, 2017 03:33
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Gail SImone sucks. Joss Whedon sucks. And it appears that the GITS flick really loving sucks.
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Mar 31, 2017 03:55
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Timeless Appeal posted:It's not really "they" though. You have to remember that Babs was pretty much a dead character at the time. What brought her back was Ostrander turning her into Oracle. If you haven't read Ostrander's Babs stuff you should. I'm currently reading the trades of Ostranders Suicide Squad and loving it. I think this might be the best series in DC history. I wish they would release the tpbs faster. I already burned through the first 4 volumes.
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Mar 31, 2017 04:24
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At least they are still coming out. Where the hell is my Ostrander's Spectre Vol 3 DC?!? Where is it?!
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Mar 31, 2017 04:26
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Rhyno posted:And it appears that the GITS flick really loving sucks. I saw a trailer for it before Skull Island on Tuesday, and I got really excited when Making of a Cyborg started and then it just crashed when it turned out to be a dubstep remix. I must have had that monkey's paw because I kept on mentioning that I wished they'd just used the music from the original instead of whatever generic music they used in the trailers.
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Mar 31, 2017 05:09
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Mr President posted:I don't dispute that. I just think it was dumb how they made her handicap because Alan Moore wrote an elseworld where joker shot her. It wasn't an elseworld, and was always meant to be canon. It's why Alan Moore had to get permission to paralyze Babs from Len Wein, who's quoted as telling him to "yeah, okay, cripple the bitch." (I've also seen him quoted as saying "just shoot the bitch," so details vary with each account, but the fact remains that editorial approval was required.) The Batgirl comic at the time also had a story development specifically to set things up for the Killing Joke. If it was an elseworld story, none of this would have been necessary.
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Mar 31, 2017 05:33
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Falstaff posted:The Batgirl comic at the time also had a story development specifically to set things up for the Killing Joke. E: Apart from the article you linked that directly quotes Barbara Kesel, which I was too lazy to read before posting. haitfais fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 05:50
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I know anyone who cares about RLM has probably already seen this, but they have this fake nerd podcast format called "The Nerd Crew". Earlier today they dropped a faux podcast parodying some pretty popular movie youtubers while discussing Justice League and Spider Man. Selected quote "did the cheque clear? Did I like it?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJD5oAruU_Q
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Mar 31, 2017 05:55
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Falstaff posted:It wasn't an elseworld, and was always meant to be canon. It's why Alan Moore had to get permission to paralyze Babs from Len Wein, who's quoted as telling him to "yeah, okay, cripple the bitch." (I've also seen him quoted as saying "just shoot the bitch," so details vary with each account, but the fact remains that editorial approval was required.) The Batgirl comic at the time also had a story development specifically to set things up for the Killing Joke. If it was an elseworld story, none of this would have been necessary. It's elseworlds dude hence why batman kills joker at the end hence why it's called The KILLING joke Some random article on the internet with no sources isn't going to change that . If the permission thing is even true it's probably because in those days comics were for kids and Moore had to get special permission to depict iconic characters in such a dark story. Mr President fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 10:48
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Mr President posted:It's elseworlds dude hence why batman kills joker at the end hence why it's called The KILLING joke
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Mar 31, 2017 10:55
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Next you're going to tell me he doesn't tell a joke.
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Mar 31, 2017 12:16
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Mr President posted:It's elseworlds dude hence why batman kills joker at the end hence why it's called The KILLING joke More like alt WRONG
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Mar 31, 2017 12:35
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bunnyofdoom posted:No it won't eb. I can see it now, Babs opens the door, the Joker and Harley are there. He shoots Babs with some gold deagle and then as she's laying on the floor bleeding, The Joker starts to undo his pants and Harley says "and now the real fun starts" as she pulls out her phone. I can see Synder coming up with that after Tony Montanaing it with Goyer. Of course Synder would personally direct thr stinger
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Mar 31, 2017 13:28
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Maybe we'll get a two for one with a Batgirl / Jason Todd team up prequel. 
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Mar 31, 2017 13:52
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You people really have a fundamental misunderstanding of Zack Snyder
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Mar 31, 2017 13:58
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Yes, for one thing they're actually talking about David Goyer.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:05
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Jeremy Renner passed on Mission Impossible Six and is going to co-star in Ant-Man and The Wasp. This is part of Marvel's post-Infinity War direction of "Unexpected team ups and intimate character stories." It seems like they wanted to focus on Ant-Man and The Wasp, so they made sure to bring in the person who would least distract from them. (I like Renner and Hawkeye is fine, but "shoot arrows good" will always be funny when sitting next to Ant-Man, The Hulk, or Thor)
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Mar 31, 2017 14:40
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Hawkeye fires Ant-Man into battle, then sits on the deck drinking a beer until his next mission.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:42
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Also: Peyton Reed is directing Ant-Man and The Wasp. The script is being written by Peyton Reed, Paul Rudd, and a team of two other writers who worked with Edgar Wright and Peyton Reed on the Ant-Man original draft and the post-Wright second pass.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:45
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also: Peyton Reed is directing Ant-Man and The Wasp. Sounds good.
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purple death ray posted:It was absolutely nothing special. I can't even really call it 'bad', it just sort of existed. Terrible costume, completely blah comics, frequent Killing Joke callbacks. Utterly forgettable, which is why most people have completely forgotten it, which is why it's so baffling that they'd make a movie out of it rather than the Extremely Popular Batgirl that made them a bunch of money and got them a bunch of good PR. I don't think the quality of the writing is that much better in the Burnside stuff (and I suspect people here would riot at all the millennial pandering), but it's also not as super grim and overwrought as the book was when Simone was writing it. And if they don't at least use the Burnside costume at least that's just stupid. It was designed to translate to live action.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:28
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Ant-Man was a surprise that turned into one of my stealth favorite Marvel movies, so it's good to see they've got a lot of the same talent working on this one. And if they're going to keep it relatively contained in scope like the first and want a team-up, Hawkeye makes sense. I'm looking forward to this movie.
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Mr President posted:It's elseworlds dude hence why batman kills joker at the end hence why it's called The KILLING joke Except he doesn't kill the joker. If you believe authorial intent matters, then Moore has stated in interviews he didn't kill the joker in that story. If you're big into Death of the Author, then consider that the final panel in the book is completely identical to the first panel in the book, i.e., the struggle between Batman and his nemesis will continue, nothing of consequence has changed there. The idea that the joker dies was popularized by Grant Morrison, except he had less than nothing to do with the Killing Joke, so...
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Mar 31, 2017 16:22
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Also TKJ was not an Elseworld when it was published because Elseworld's didn't loving exist at that point.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:37
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It was also years after Year One and Dark Knight Returns so lol at the idea that Batman was only starring in kids books until killing joke. Youre not only wrong about minorities in comics you don't actually know much about them. Typical fake geek boy
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Arist posted:Ant-Man was a surprise that turned into one of my stealth favorite Marvel movies, so it's good to see they've got a lot of the same talent working on this one. And if they're going to keep it relatively contained in scope like the first and want a team-up, Hawkeye makes sense. I'm looking forward to this movie.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:56
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Wait what......? Batman killed Joker at the end of TKJ? Do I have a copy from an alternate reality or something? lmao
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Mar 31, 2017 17:02
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oh god not this again
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pubic works project posted:Wait what......? Batman killed Joker at the end of TKJ? Do I have a copy from an alternate reality or something? lmao Batman did not kill the Joker at the end of TKJ. Some people interpreted the final shot as Batman strangling the Joker but the script doesn't back that up.
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ImpAtom posted:Batman did not kill the Joker at the end of TKJ. Some people interpreted the final shot as Batman strangling the Joker but the script doesn't back that up. 
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Mar 31, 2017 17:09
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achillesforever6 posted:Uh excuse me let me tell you about this little thing called Death of the Author (the joker was the author)
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Mar 31, 2017 17:10
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redbackground posted:oh god not this again Joker's the best comic book villain because he's the only one that constantly fucks up every thread about comic books ever.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:12
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zoux posted:Joker's the best comic book villain because he's the only one that constantly fucks up every thread about comic books ever. And comic book movies, apparently.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:34
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also: Peyton Reed is directing Ant-Man and The Wasp. Do you suppose CZJ will end up playing Janet?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Do you suppose CZJ will end up playing Janet? She would be perfect, especially with her hairstyle from Chicago.
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