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now print fluctuator wizards do it
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Mar 31, 2017 15:52
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They're never going to reprint fluctuator but please reprint fluctuator with all these cycling 2 cards 
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Mar 31, 2017 15:53
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En Fuego posted:Cycling is better/worse than Scry? I really like these!! Cycling is just different from scrying. I'd say that the scry temples are slightly more powerful in a vacuum since they don't require extra mana to get value, but there are lots of interactions with cycling that make these new duals more powerful in the right deck.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:55
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Cool with madness, cool with Tarmogoyf
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Mar 31, 2017 15:56
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En Fuego posted:Cycling is better/worse than Scry? I really like these!! These are worse early game but much, much better late game in standard.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:00
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dragon enthusiast posted:Cool with madness, cool with Tarmogoyf He's right, Goyf confirmed for Amonkhet.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:00
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Holy poo poo! I thought these were worse than my suggestion but then I saw the typeline and I'm excited! Really hope we get enemy versions in the next set though, we still didn't get enemy bofas 
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Mar 31, 2017 16:02
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Is there anything in standard that makes the typing relevant?
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Mar 31, 2017 16:08
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I think fetching a cycle-dual and crop rotating it or wastelanding yourself could potentially be a thing in legacy lands Crazy synergies aside, you can probably also get away with throwing one or two of these into slow/higher land count modern decks.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:08
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BizarroAzrael posted:Is there anything in standard that makes the typing relevant? Edit: And Engulf the Shore. Siivola fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 16:11
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Sickening posted:
These are really loving good
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Mar 31, 2017 16:13
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The art is gorgeous on all five of these, too. One of the best-looking dual cycles in recent memory. Really, all of the art for this set so far looks pretty great, the invocations notwithstanding. Hopefully those things are just an anomaly and everything else looks great.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:17
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this might make life from the loam a real card in modern hell, I can see one of the slower decks, UWR control or something, run a couple just for value
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Mar 31, 2017 16:21
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Sickening posted:
They should come into play untapped. 0/10, pass, dumbest set in the last 5 years
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Mar 31, 2017 16:27
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I wish these were uncommon because they'd make limited decks a lot smoother. They're good though!
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Mar 31, 2017 16:28
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Holy poo poo that's some good card.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:39
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Bicycle lands own bones.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:46
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The cycling duals are almost good enough to make me not sad they also just confirmed no Slide or Rift
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Mar 31, 2017 16:48
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I like how the GW dual's art - especially the sky/clouds - looks like an actual painting.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:49
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Attorney at Funk posted:The cycling duals are almost good enough to make me not sad they also just confirmed no Slide or Rift They don't do symmetrical effects like that anymore. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar cards in this block that only trigger off your own cycling.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:50
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Attorney at Funk posted:The cycling duals are almost good enough to make me not sad they also just confirmed no Slide or Rift At this point, I'm hoping they just compensate by giving us some other neat little enchantment that reacts to cycling. It'll be far inferior obviously, but it would still be nice to not have all of our dreams crushed as usual.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:51
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These are the first typed duals that can't come into play untapped at all, right? They're interesting because the cycling is not particularly complimentary with typing, per se. You've got different reasons to fetch basics, shocks, and tangos; given those choices you would never want to be looking for a cycler. So these just give you a consolation for drawing into them. What's the modern niche, here?
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Mar 31, 2017 16:51
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Eikre posted:These are the first typed duals that can't come into play untapped at all, right? It's maximum valuetown with Loam. It may be a bit slow but we'll see how that shakes up.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:54
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Eikre posted:These are the first typed duals that can't come into play untapped at all, right? Play life from the loam, draw cards This was a real deck in old extended and is a synergy that still sees play in legacy.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:54
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Eikre posted:
Loam
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Mar 31, 2017 16:54
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Eikre posted:These are the first typed duals that can't come into play untapped at all, right? I could see running one shock and one bicycle land (I love that name) for one or more of your color combinations, when you don't have double color costs but you sometimes want to play two spells of that color in a turn. Maybe one copy of the UB one ends up in Grixis for example. It's definitely going to take some fiddling to see how they fit into modern mana bases, but I would bet that they do have a place.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:59
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Attorney at Funk posted:The cycling duals are almost good enough to make me not sad they also just confirmed no Slide or Rift Slide owns and the good ETB creatures of recent Magic makes me wish it was Modern-legal, it could be very powerful but maybe it would be obnoxious.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:02
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It's worth noting you pay 100% more mana to cycle with these so it has the potential to be very different than the Loam deck in legacy, but it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:06
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BJPaskoff posted:I wish these were uncommon because they'd make limited decks a lot smoother. They're good though! I had the same thought. They feel like uncommons.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:15
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WIZARDS HQ Maro: People are really upset at our terrible invocations, approval ratings are at an all time low! Forsythe: *narrows eyes* Release the duals.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:16
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mcmagic posted:I had the same thought. They feel like uncommons. I don't think duals have to be able to enter untapped to "feel" rare.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:20
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People said the same thing about the scrylands.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:21
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whydirt posted:People said the same thing about the scrylands. The srcylands were great. I don't think these are quite as good. But who knows.I think Cycling as a mechanic is awesome.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:23
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TheKingofSprings posted:It's worth noting you pay 100% more mana to cycle with these so it has the potential to be very different than the Loam deck in legacy, but it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out. There were also 2 mana cost cycle lands back in Urza block. Did those get played at all? Obviously not relevant for the modern/legacy thing but it's worth wondering.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:28
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Attorney at Funk posted:I don't think duals have to be able to enter untapped to "feel" rare. I think giving them basic land types also automatically makes them rare, at least by NWO standards or whatever. I know they've done typed non-basics at uncommon in the past but it's very infrequent, I can only recall the Mistveil Plains cycle in SHM.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:29
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mcmagic posted:The srcylands were great. I don't think these are quite as good. But who knows.I think Cycling as a mechanic is awesome. In conclusion, cycling duals are lands of contrast.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:30
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The Shortest Path posted:There were also 2 mana cost cycle lands back in Urza block. Did those get played at all? By the time Life from the Loam came out they were no longer extended legal (or just about to leave, I don't remember which) and the ons ones had been out for like 4 years.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:30
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These new duals are cool and good, hopefully they fix the Cat/Vehicles problem with standard through bans or with the release of this set. I'd like to play some Grixis again.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:33
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80s James Hetfield posted:They should come into play untapped. 0/10, pass, dumbest set in the last 5 years is there someone on MTGS that really thinks alpha dual lands with cycling is a thing that could ever happen
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Mar 31, 2017 17:33
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They're definitely worse than the temples in a lot of situations, since temples don't cost you any mana and you still get the land drop. But "draw a card" is a way more powerful line of text than 'Scry 1' that I think it's going to be down to the shape of the format rather than a direct power level comparison. I think the main thing working against the cycling duals that the temples didn't have is there's a lot more untapped mana fixing in this Standard - Temples only had to share a Standard with shocks and then fetches, whereas the untapped land options are a lot better now between fastlands, 5-color lands, and the finicky BFZ and SOI duals.
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