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R. Guyovich posted:the "humanitarian exemptions" are straight bullshit and there are multiple sources in here saying so R. Guyovich posted:dprk isn't starving and hasn't been since the 90s 
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Fallen Hamprince posted:when the dialectic game so strong that the dprk can be starving bc of sanctions and not starving bc juche simultaneously It's almost as though he's selected a predetermined outcome and is twisting all evidence to suit that outcome!
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Mar 31, 2017 17:18
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Fallen Hamprince posted:when the dialectic game so strong that the dprk can be starving bc of sanctions and not starving bc juche simultaneously lmao
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Mar 31, 2017 17:58
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People aren't literally starving so making it harder for them to buy food and necessary items the only way they can is totes humanitarian. I took glee in evicting a homeless guy and am on the right side of history.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:25
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Juche must be friendship, because that poo poo is magic.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:27
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Fiction posted:People aren't literally starving so making it harder for them to buy food and necessary items the only way they can is totes humanitarian. I took glee in evicting a homeless guy and am on the right side of history. Much like that homeless guy, North Korea needs to learn about personal responsibility and pull itself up by its bootstraps.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:53
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Fiction posted:People aren't literally starving so making it harder for them to buy food and necessary items the only way they can is totes humanitarian. I took glee in evicting a homeless guy and am on the right side of history. why is it americas responsibility to feed north koreans and not the government of north korea's
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Mar 31, 2017 19:04
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north korea is very bad
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Mar 31, 2017 19:05
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logikv9 posted:north korea is very bad 
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Mar 31, 2017 19:06
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Fojar38 posted:why is it americas responsibility to feed north koreans and not the government of north korea's It's not, which is why it's very weird that we are so concerned about who in Korea gets money to buy food.
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Mar 31, 2017 19:29
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Fiction posted:It's not, which is why it's very weird that we are so concerned about who in Korea gets money to buy food. didn't realize surface to air missiles were such a vital component of the traditional North Korean diet, really explains a lot actually
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Mar 31, 2017 19:56
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Has the DPRK made an official protest to the UN about how international banking sanctions are making it difficult for its citizens to buy food from illegal black markets yet? Maybe you should drop them a tip Fiction
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Mar 31, 2017 20:01
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Fiction posted:It's not, which is why it's very weird that we are so concerned about who in Korea gets money to buy food. why is america obligated to engage in any form of commerce with north korea at all including giving north korea access to american banking systems i ask because people are treating american sanctions against north korea as some sort of betrayal of a responsibility that america holds
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Mar 31, 2017 20:48
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Fojar38 posted:why is america obligated to engage in any form of commerce with north korea at all including giving north korea access to american banking systems If civilians are starving to death there's s moral obligation to prevent that as much as possible, it's really disturbing that this needs to be said lol
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Mar 31, 2017 20:49
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Why is NK having nukes bad?
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Mar 31, 2017 20:50
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resar posted:Why is NK having nukes bad? They threaten to nuke everyone every wednesday
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Mar 31, 2017 20:51
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Psycho Society posted:They threaten to nuke everyone every wednesday We did the same in the cold war and Russia does that when ever NATO upsets them. Why is it bad when NK does it?
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Mar 31, 2017 20:54
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Ace of Baes posted:If civilians are starving to death there's s moral obligation to prevent that as much as possible, it's really disturbing that this needs to be said lol okay but why is america the first to be blamed for said starving and not the government of north korea, which is spending a disproportionately high amount of money on its military and threatening to nuke america resar posted:We did the same in the cold war no they didnt casually threatening to use nukes was a big no-no in cold war politicking
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Mar 31, 2017 20:55
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resar posted:Why is NK having nukes bad? Why is anyone having nukes bad Nukes for everyone IMO, all nukes all the time, i loving love nuclear proliferation and how it can only lead to good things
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Mar 31, 2017 20:56
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Sabre rattling about nuking America (NK's very valid enemy, considering we destroyed their entire country 50 years ago) is way worse than having enough nukes and the means to actually destroy the world, and then electing a senile reality TV show host President.
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resar posted:We did the same in the cold war and Russia does that when ever NATO upsets them. Why is it bad when NK does it? No we didn't, and no they don't.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:57
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Loving Life Partner posted:Sabre rattling about nuking America (NK's very valid enemy, considering we destroyed their entire country 50 years ago) Technically this would make the entire UN "NK's very valid enemy"
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Mar 31, 2017 20:58
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Ace of Baes posted:If civilians are starving to death there's s moral obligation to prevent that as much as possible, it's really disturbing that this needs to be said lol So the US Government has a moral obligation to see that the citizens of North Korea don't starve, but the North Korean government does not? care to parse that for us, friend?
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Mar 31, 2017 21:02
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50 years is a long time. get over it, north korea
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Mar 31, 2017 21:03
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LinYutang posted:50 years is a long time. get over it, north korea Specifically get over losing the war you started
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Mar 31, 2017 21:04
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It's not over though? We still have troops occupying South Korea and still participate in military exercises and Korea is still divided and technically at war
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Mar 31, 2017 21:04
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resar posted:We did the same in the cold war and Russia does that when ever NATO upsets them. Why is it bad when NK does it? As it's been pointed out, no, in fact Russia did not threaten to nuke the US every time the eternal science of marxist leninsm caused a crop failure. That's really the thing about you new era totalitarian fanboys, you don't know any actual history, just vague overarching themes full of inaccurate or misleading bullshit
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Mar 31, 2017 21:04
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Fast Luck posted:It's not over though? We still have troops occupying South Korea and still participate in military exercises and Korea is still divided and technically at war So why should America feed a country it's at war with and give it access to its banking system??? Fojar38 has issued a correction as of 21:09 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 21:06
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http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/north-korea-threatens-nuclear-strike-if-single-bullet-is-fired/ http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35741936 Give me one example of any other country making threats like this. Not that would prove anything, because we should be doing everything in our power to reduce all nuclear stockpiles. If Russia did somehow regularly talk about nuking other countries, we would want them to get rid of their nukes even more than usual.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki On August 6, the U.S. dropped a uranium gun-type (Little Boy) bomb on Hiroshima, and American President Harry S. Truman called for Japan's surrender, warning it to "expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth."
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Mar 31, 2017 21:09
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Fojar38 posted:So why should America feed a country it's at war with and give it access to its banking system???
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Mar 31, 2017 21:10
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wait why am i trying to convince people who are white knighting dprk and imperial japan imo you should volunteer to go and serve the north korean government, i am sure they can use all the help they can get in battling the imperialist aggressors
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Mar 31, 2017 21:12
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Fast Luck posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki Interesting. So you point out hiroshima, which was bombed during a world war, to support nuclear proliferation over 70 years later? lmao
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Mar 31, 2017 21:13
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Fast Luck posted:because collective punishment sucks and starvation sucks Why do you put the responsibility for the starvation of the citizens on sovereign nation North Korea at the feet of the US and not at the feet of the (largely fat and wealthy) government of North Korea? You're not a fan of collective punishment but you're a Kim fanboy? Are you sure you've thought this through? If I didn't know better I'd come close to assuming that perhaps you'll cheer for anybody anti-US no matter how horrible they are, but you're lucky enough not to actually have to live your convictions. it's a shame, that
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Mar 31, 2017 21:18
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Fast Luck posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki yes, the US should never have started the war of aggression against glorious nippon in the first place. I mean, the other big difference is that Harry S Truman wasn't engaging in tinpot dictator hyperbole, he was going to keep dropping bombs until they surrendered. Kim is like every tough guy that manages to shoot his own dick off trying to look tough
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Mar 31, 2017 21:20
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You know there's not many ideas that, if held by any kind of majority, would lead to our extinction as a species, but nuclear proliferation is one of them and you seem to have found it to suit you just fine
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Psycho Society posted:Interesting. So you point out hiroshima, which was bombed during a world war, to support nuclear proliferation over 70 years later? lmao gobbagool posted:Why do you put the responsibility for the starvation of the citizens on sovereign nation North Korea at the feet of the US and not at the feet of the (largely fat and wealthy) government of North Korea? You're not a fan of collective punishment but you're a Kim fanboy? Are you sure you've thought this through? If I didn't know better I'd come close to assuming that perhaps you'll cheer for anybody anti-US no matter how horrible they are, but you're lucky enough not to actually have to live your convictions. it's a shame, that
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Fast Luck posted:Well, the more accurate reason to support the DPRK developing nuclear weapons might be the example of Iraq, where they halted WMD production and were invaded and destroyed anyway. 1,000,000 people died. 3,000,000 people died in Vietnam, which we also invaded. We have the DPRK in our crosshairs and routinely hold mass military exercises just south of their border. Nuclear weapons are a pretty good deterrent against belligerent nations that invade and topple governments around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls If you read through something like this and honestly think promoting any country to have a nuclear deterrent is a good idea, you are the dumbest and most dangerous kind of stupid motherfucker on the planet.
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NK having nukes is, geopolitical and/or proliferation concerns aside, way worse than Iran or Israel or Apartheid South Africa having nukes because of very real concerns about some faction in their military conducting an attack without authorization from Pyongyang. There was speculation that attacks of this type occurred with the sinking of Cheonan or the shelling of Yeongpyeong. While using nukes in an attack like this would be a massive escalation, it would also virtually ensure full-scale war, even if nukes were not used in retaliation. If a faction within their military wanted war, and had a nuke, they could virtually guarantee it. While NK wants them for the exact same reason that every other country does: it is the most powerful deterrent to invasion/attack that a country can possess, the concern of the North actually using their nukes in a non-retaliatory way is far, far, far higher than any other nuclear-armed state and that alone is a good enough reason for me for them to not have them, politics aside.
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Fast Luck posted:
North Korea is 19.5% arable land, South Korea is 15.3% arable land. Sounds like the US should have taken some more of NK if that was the goal, but then again South Korea's economy isn't run by a bunch of broke brained totalitarian psychopaths so they figured out how to feed themselves. South Korea also exports $4b worth of food a year, which is probably more than NK produces in total. any other wrong claims you want to make here?
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