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Frigates were badass in Civ 5. Naval ranged units in general were useful for coastal city defense - you can only have one ranged unit in a city, but you can have two if one's of them's a boat.
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Battleships also had good range and did very good damage to ground units, making then very useful for supporting when attacking
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Mar 31, 2017 20:03
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Civ4 handled navies fairly well especially on archipelago maps, since it was easier to blockade. That said they still weren't super useful outside of that specific type of scenario.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:06
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bring the orbital layer from BE to Civ6, now we're talkin' turkey
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Mar 31, 2017 20:14
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If they wanted to make navies more viable, then they should have land units require escorts or even to carry them. Something like a dedicated transport or that normal navy vessels can carry x amount of land units, similar to an aircraft carrier. Obviously things like workers and trade should be able to do without. I think it would make you build atleast a certain size navy for your army to assault by sea and to drive fights into the sea. Having a catapult that is able to fight at all at sea is just bizarre.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:26
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Phuzun posted:If they wanted to make navies more viable, then they should have land units require escorts or even to carry them. Something like a dedicated transport or that normal navy vessels can carry x amount of land units, similar to an aircraft carrier. Obviously things like workers and trade should be able to do without. I think it would make you build atleast a certain size navy for your army to assault by sea and to drive fights into the sea. Having a catapult that is able to fight at all at sea is just bizarre. That would be great for another reason too: moving dozens of land units individually across the sea is annoying and dangerous. I miss transport ships
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Mar 31, 2017 20:44
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Transports suck for the player, but allowing most naval units to transport units natively would mitigate it i think. Of course you still have the issue of players being able to start on an island, and be unopposable until they are already 2 era's ahead of you.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:53
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The Civ4 (iirc) devs have gone on record saying why transport ships sucked; in addition to annoying the poo poo out of players it was a major pain for the AI and naval invasions/landings had to be special-cased, which players caught on to and abused. Old games did it for immersion reasons, new games don't do it for gameplay reasons. The few that do have it abstracted a bit, like Stellaris etc.
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Mar 31, 2017 23:12
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I still have the same technical problem with this game as at launch where my sounds gradually start disappearing after a while, starting from the music followed by the narration and finally rest of the sound effects. I can't really even find anyone else with the same problem and switching to 48 kHz which has apparently been the solution for other audio issues doesn't many any difference. It feels like some kinda sync issue but I can't figure out what causes it, it's a real bummer.
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Apr 1, 2017 09:44
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Not one mention of dromons, shameful.
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Apr 1, 2017 14:24
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Did the patch tune the AI to be more aggressive/opportunistic? I'm playing a King game as Cyrus, and took out Australia early, leaving 4 other civs. I had easily the strongest army when out of nowhere I got joint DOW'd by two of them (one was friendly), and then a few turns after, got joint DOW'd by the remaining two. I only had a warmonger score with one of them, actually, so it wasn't like I was at negative a billion with everyone for taking out Australia. In usual civ fasion though, I just sat there and destroyed all their units until they gave me everything for peace.
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Apr 1, 2017 15:19
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I am losing my rear end because of the barbarians swarming me. Frustraring but a definite challenge.
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Apr 1, 2017 15:24
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Jastiger posted:I am losing my rear end because of the barbarians swarming me. Frustraring but a definite challenge. Did you make a slingman?
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You can use your first couple of units to cover your starting area to chase off the scouts. If you move towards them they'll usually move away from your units on their turn, and once you identify the nearest barb camp it's worth killing it with your starting warrior. When you kill a camp any scout attached to it will suicide on your unit (same as the spearmen if you took the camp while it was outside). It's not always possible to prevent scouts from setting off the clown car rush but with practice you should get a good feel for how to do it. Also, I don't bother making scouts anymore (on Immortal). My first unit is almost always a slinger.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:23
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My first three builds are always slingers.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:25
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Is zone of control a thing you have to research? Whenever I go early game barb busting I usually bring a warrior and a slinger/archer. Upon approaching a camp, the drat thing still manages to circumvent the warrior and hit the ranged unit. Very annoying.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:39
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Decrepus posted:Did you make a slingman? I did they just kept coming and even worse pillaged everything. It wasnt really until turn 40 where i had no enemies in my borders. Had kind of a crappy start area too which didnt help. In 200 points behind and cant amass a good enough army to take em out.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:41
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Trivia posted:Is zone of control a thing you have to research? Whenever I go early game barb busting I usually bring a warrior and a slinger/archer. Upon approaching a camp, the drat thing still manages to circumvent the warrior and hit the ranged unit. Very annoying. I think so yes, actually. I think it might be one of the early military civics. Military tradition?
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Apr 1, 2017 18:10
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Fhqwhgads posted:Did the patch tune the AI to be more aggressive/opportunistic? I'm playing a King game as Cyrus, and took out Australia early, leaving 4 other civs. I had easily the strongest army when out of nowhere I got joint DOW'd by two of them (one was friendly), and then a few turns after, got joint DOW'd by the remaining two. I only had a warmonger score with one of them, actually, so it wasn't like I was at negative a billion with everyone for taking out Australia. In usual civ fasion though, I just sat there and destroyed all their units until they gave me everything for peace. I'm starting to think there might be a bug with the AI not being able to tell how strong your army is. I had Tomyris hating me the whole game for having a weak army when I had by far the strongest in the game. And several times people who I had a green smiley relation with would surprise war me when they had no realistic chance of winning. Also turning off barbarians gets rid of the huge lag between turns.
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Yeah, there's definitely something wrong with the turn times since the patch when barbarians are on.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:36
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I believe warriors start with zoc. If you have an autosave and screenshot I can elaborate, but even with an Archer, the only way to be safe is with terrain or being directly opposite. Now, heavy cavalry can ignore zoc, but I don't know what barbarian horsemen count as. I can't explain it to well on my phone, but later with pic if you need. To quote random steam guy: ZoC also works differently: a unit that moves into a hex within enemy ZoC (even from outside) loses all its movement points, but it can still attack if it would have had ennough movement points before losing them.
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Apr 1, 2017 20:44
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LordSloth posted:I believe warriors start with zoc. If you have an autosave and screenshot I can elaborate, but even with an Archer, the only way to be safe is with terrain or being directly opposite. Now, heavy cavalry can ignore zoc, but I don't know what barbarian horsemen count as. I can't explain it to well on my phone, but later with pic if you need. All cavalry ignore ZoC. "Cavalry" definitely do, and they're light cavalry.
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Apr 1, 2017 21:26
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SlothBear posted:I'm starting to think there might be a bug with the AI not being able to tell how strong your army is. I had Tomyris hating me the whole game for having a weak army when I had by far the strongest in the game. And several times people who I had a green smiley relation with would surprise war me when they had no realistic chance of winning. I can't say based off one game, but I was frienldy/DOF with two of them before they joint warred me. Harald and Tomyris I can understand, Harald kept denouncing me for having a weak navy (I had no coastal cities gently caress off), and Tomyris is Tomyris. But Jadwiga and Gilgamesh I was legit friends with, or at least friendly when the DOF wore off. I don't have the stamina/interest to do pure domination games, so even though I can roll the world with my Immortals right now, I just can't be bothered.
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Apr 1, 2017 21:30
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I've played through two games since the patch and in both civs who I am friendly with and have all +s to diplomacy and have even been in DoF with have suprise war'd me when they had no chance of winning. Oddly after they sue for peace they shoot right back to friendly again. But then again Civ 6 AI and diplomacy is so janky I have no ability to tell bug from feature anymore.
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Apr 1, 2017 22:34
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Yeah, I knew about calvary ignoring ZoC, but the problem is that spearmen are circumventing it. Obnoxious to say the least.
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Apr 2, 2017 06:04
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I just won a game as Cyrus and the cheevo for that popped up. I didn't realize you can use CQUI and still get steam achievements. I thought if you used a mod from the workshop that achievements were disabled in games. This is why I rarely used mods for games like this (what can I say I like seeing cheevos as a way to track progress on civs/victories/etc).
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Fhqwhgads posted:I just won a game as Cyrus and the cheevo for that popped up. I didn't realize you can use CQUI and still get steam achievements. I thought if you used a mod from the workshop that achievements were disabled in games. This is why I rarely used mods for games like this (what can I say I like seeing cheevos as a way to track progress on civs/victories/etc). As far as I can tell no mod disables Steam achievements in VI. It claims using Firetuner does but I haven't tested that either.
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Apr 2, 2017 16:05
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How big is the difficulty jump between King and Emperor?
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Baron Porkface posted:How big is the difficulty jump between King and Emperor? It doubles most of the AI bonuses (+16% research and +40% production instead of +8% and +20% etc.), it's not exactly ultra difficult since this is still Civ VI we're talking about but you do definitely notice the difference.
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Emperor is the first difficulty level where the AI gets an extra Settler to start so that's a pretty big step up.
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Trivia posted:Yeah, I knew about calvary ignoring ZoC, but the problem is that spearmen are circumventing it. Obnoxious to say the least. I'm fairly confident that this isn't broken and is just a misunderstanding since ZOCs work slightly different to Civ5, but I obviously don't know what you're seeing and could be entirely wrong. Are your two units adjacent to each other? Here's my sloppy understanding and diagram of ZOC.  Green: The barbarian spearman can freely move to any of the green tiles without interacting with ZOC. Yellow: Upon moving into the yellow square, the barbarian spearman can attack any red tile (or the warrior, of course). If the slinger isn't directly opposite the spearman, it's working as intended
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Huh, I guess I just misunderstood it. I thought that a unit trying to move directly around a hostile melee unit would use all its movement points, thus limiting movement to one tile per turn. In your example, I have my ranged in the red tiles adjacent to the warrior. I figured the ZoC enacted by the warrior would inhibit the spearman from hitting those red tiles (while a calvary unit would still be able to).
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 The spring PBEM game is here!Players: Me, Ulvino, Roland Jones, Byzantine, Dragongem, TipTow, Wacky Delly Password: goonspring We'll be running with all the DLCs except Vikings - ie. all Civilization packs. I'm in Europe, you're all in Central or Eastern time so the turn order for you doesn't really matter. Feel free to join the game in any order. If Roland Jones, who's the only one in Pacific time, could join as the last one, that would be great. Although the time difference isn't that big to matter much so it's not a big deal if it isn't that way. Have fun and see you in game (in couple of weeks  ))
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Apr 2, 2017 23:47
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How's the combat AI in the game now that there have been a few new patches? Is it still a Sim Civilization builder game?
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Apr 3, 2017 00:03
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MooselanderII posted:How's the combat AI in the game now that there have been a few new patches? Is it still a Sim Civilization builder game? I haven't noticed the combat AI improve at all.
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markus_cz posted:
It's a good thing I read this post in full after skimming it because I almost missed that you wanted me to sign up last. Will keep an eye on things to see when everyone else is in. What's the deal with claiming civs for this, just pick whoever, or do we have to be random?
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Apr 3, 2017 00:23
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SlothBear posted:I haven't noticed the combat AI improve at all. since the spring patch i feel like i've seen more ai vs ai war lead to captured cities instead of just petering out into a stalemate that accomplishes nothing ai's still not super hot against the player though
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Apr 3, 2017 01:26
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MooselanderII posted:How's the combat AI in the game now that there have been a few new patches? Is it still a Sim Civilization builder game? AI's been buffed. Instead of being laughable it can actually irritate you (not much more than that). AI on the other hand can actually conquer each others so you can get some runaways that eat a few neighbors and challenge you other ways.
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Apr 3, 2017 04:35
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Roland Jones posted:What's the deal with claiming civs for this, just pick whoever, or do we have to be random? I like Egypt, so if nobody minds I'll be picking them.
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Byzantine posted:I like Egypt, so if nobody minds I'll be picking them. If we're allowed to pick I'll probably be claiming either Persia or Arabia, myself. I like those two, albeit for mostly different reasons.
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