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RabidWeasel posted:I'm considering taking colossus and steel brow on my 2hand tanks and dropping some utility perks, I haven't had many nasty incidents yet but I am looking at my dudes' lovely ranged defense and looking at the stats for heavy crossbows and making frowny faces a lot. I have had a dude almost killed in a single headshot from just a regular crossbow before but somehow I've managed to convince myself that it was just a freak accident. I have this dumb urge to try and take gifted instead because my brain is screaming at me that 3% reduced chance to be hit is really meaningful, but I also have this ominous feeling that direct HP damage is going to give me some serious bad times even when I'm running with 300/300 armour everywhere, and the colossus / steel brow combo is the best way to avoid that. Anyone got some useful input on this? Also I never played the noble war but I imagine they have a lot of warhammers and picks and stuff right? So armor might not be that good there and you want a good HP cushion. I had some trouble with some high level bandit groups that carry a lot of hammers. quote:I usually run with almost a whole army of greatsword tanks I don't even know how you get to that point TBH. Maybe I was unlucky or just suck at it but it seems like you would need to play a million hours for everyone in the whole unit to be fully kitted out greatsword tanks, and it's like you've already won the game at that point. The late game crises hit at like day 80, and that wasn't enough time for me to get more than a couple good 2hand guys with heavy armor. You just have to babysit them so much before they can survive without a shield, and it's drat hard to find people with good melee defense. Ivan Shitskin fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Once you get overwhelm on some bowmen, getting to reliably debuff two, four or more enemies a turn starts feeling pretty cool. That said, it's hard to beat a build that is just heavy armor, macho man fatigue, and melee attack. I really want to try a dodgy dagger duelist with overwhelm but it's a very specialized kind of guy and my first attempt died around level 5. For me the dump stat is Ranged Defense because kite shields make up for it so well.
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marshmallow creep posted:Personally I would rearrange your line so guys with kite shields absorb the bolts and then either use footwork or rotation to move the beefy guys in. Especially if you aren't relying on a lightweight backline, but your shieldless guys back there. The issues with this are: 1. I have to use more guys with shields (I like to run with somewhere between 0 and 2 which is not enough to effectively cover with) 2. The archers will shoot at the guys at the back anyway so the only benefit I'm getting there is reduced chance to be hit 3. I'm weakening my initial attack slightly by having to position my best units at the back 4. The archers can and will keep on shooting at my units when they're actually engaged in melee so shields will only protect me for 1 or 2 turns 5. This won't work if I want to flank aggressively with my 2handers, which is one of my favourite tactics Also those perks are good for survivability and injury avoidance in general and not just as an anti-ranged measure. I think I've actually completely convinced myself that steel brow is very good in the late game for a variety of reasons (increased number of enemies which can do high hp damage, the exact mechanics of how headshots work, and the way that armour works to reduce that damage) so it's just down to colossus vs. gifted I think, which is a fairly simple number crunching exercise (pre nerf I would have gone for gifted most of the time) Kenzie posted:I was thinking of trying the same thing next game. I never really used Steel Brow and I was neglecting HP on some guys. There's the enemy crossbows to worry about, and also those drat goblins and their drat little puncturing knives. They don't hit that often with puncture attacks, but when they do, ouch. I didn't even consider warhammers and puncture, drat. I've managed to get away mostly with neglected HP pools but I am almost certain that it's going to cause my current game to fail eventually, hence my current dilemma. Having super tanks doesn't mean much if they can still die to 1 or 2 lucky hits. I was previously trying to get more of my recruits to have a decent level of ranged defense, but going for a more hp-based survival strategy seems both easier and more strongly supported by perks. And also works vs bleeds which is another thing which has caused me some tears in the past. As for getting a lot of greatswords my advice is firstly don't loving rush it - you need underdog, reach advantage and battle forged and a minimum of 200 head and body armour for it to be even slightly viable, and your merc needs a decent amount of melee attack and defense and enough fatigue to use everything. To get to this point I strongly focus getting heavy armour in the midgame, well before I start to transition to greatswords. This keeps your brothers alive, which lets them get more xp and saves you gold which then lets you buy more armour, etc. You don't need a particularly special recruit though, even a guy with 0 melee defense and 0 stars at level 1 will have 20+ at level 11 with a little bit of luck. I will kick non-exceptional units which get a few bad levels early on if I have a suitable replacement. Plus if you end up hiring like 20 or so extra farmers and brawlers you don't strictly need over the first month of gameplay you will get at least a few with really good traits or talents. At ~150-250 gold a pop that isn't a huge investment.
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I'm really not seeing the hype for Wildmen. The huge defense penalties and EXP loss really aren't worth it.
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marshmallow creep posted:
The biggest dump stat for most characters is initiative, it's gonna be poo poo anyway with gear. I agree on kite shields though.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:22
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RabidWeasel posted:
what exactly happens when dudes become cultists? Like if hedge knights become cultists do their stats drop?
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Night10194 posted:I'm really not seeing the hype for Wildmen. The huge defense penalties and EXP loss really aren't worth it. I had an event where my battle brothers all stood around watching my wild man play with his money and realized he didn't actually know what money was for, so I gave him a stick with a colorful bow tied to it in return for his 500 coins, so there's that. I felt bad because he's my sergeant and my standard bearer, so he's kind of important to the company, but the event didn't give him a morale penalty or anything so I guess he was happy with his new toy 
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Pornographic Memory posted:I had an event where my battle brothers all stood around watching my wild man play with his money and realized he didn't actually know what money was for, so I gave him a stick with a colorful bow tied to it in return for his 500 coins, so there's that. I felt bad because he's my sergeant and my standard bearer, so he's kind of important to the company, but the event didn't give him a morale penalty or anything so I guess he was happy with his new toy Well now I'm sold.
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Night10194 posted:I'm really not seeing the hype for Wildmen. The huge defense penalties and EXP loss really aren't worth it. Statistically speaking their defense values aren't terribly bad (on average a few points lower melee def and a bit more less ranged def compared to non-martial backgrounds - it just feels awful when they're negative) and they have huge hp, fatigue and resolve totals. The resolve is the thing that's easy to miss since otherwise they can seem like just retarded farmers with lower defense. I don't buy them when they come with expensive weapons but the cheap naked ones are good. They also look bad rear end.
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Jay Rust posted:Is there a reason not to feed your boys grain all the time? You can get an event that boosts morale if you have a variety of food.
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Jay Rust posted:Is there a reason not to feed your boys grain all the time? If you have a wide variety of food sometimes you'll get a huge morale boost event.
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Screw that, I'm not made of money
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If you're rich and they have only eaten grains for a while they get hella pissed off so I tend to buy whatever's cheapest that isn't grain at most places.
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Drone_Fragger posted:I like the "guy being whipped for loving a dead horse" event, because if you have a flagellant in your group, one of the options is basically "These guys know nothing about whipping! Flagellant inspects the whip and instructs them in it's proper usage so they can whip him to death in front of you" I tried to cut him down, and he landed on his neck and died.
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Killer on the Run tries to murder brother, you can execute him with a botched hanging, which results in the guy he tried to knife stabbing him through the chest. When he dies he doesn't even show up on the brothers killed obituary,
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I'm trying to be a good guy here, results are sort of weird. Grandpa fell down the well, i decide to help.  Two kids ask for help because the cat ran up the tree: 
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If you have a guy with Strong he easily rescues the old man then gets laid with the guy's daughter while the old man entertains the rest of the company.
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Ok, so i got a crew of rough, tough motherfuckers and i accept a caravan guard mission because well, we're going that way anyway. Attacked by undead, i send Hubert the Hammer on some high ground because the undead never have archers.  
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:Ok, so i got a crew of rough, tough motherfuckers and i accept a caravan guard mission because well, we're going that way anyway. How many did you lose.
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:Ok, so i got a crew of rough, tough motherfuckers and i accept a caravan guard mission because well, we're going that way anyway. had a mission during the undead crisis that took me to a pair of ruins once.  turns out many also stands for 10. e: another fight from that mission.  luckily 20ish of those were bandits so i just let the undead take care of them first. Roobanguy fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Kenzie posted:I was thinking of trying the same thing next game. I never really used Steel Brow and I was neglecting HP on some guys. There's the enemy crossbows to worry about, and also those drat goblins and their drat little puncturing knives. They don't hit that often with puncture attacks, but when they do, ouch. Reach advantage makes great swords super viable. Hit once and you get better than a round shields worth of melee defense. You also get extra stacks per target hit so you can easily get 2 or 3 stacks with a greatsword hit and their skills. With heavy armor and battleforged theyre super tanky.. steel brow is mandatory for me, partially because it prevents instakills from crits and necrosavants have headhunter.
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Sloober posted:Reach advantage makes great swords super viable. Hit once and you get better than a round shields worth of melee defense.
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I don't understand the Defend Settlement contracts. I've spent four in-game days hanging around the town, and nothing has happened.
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Jay Rust posted:I don't understand the Defend Settlement contracts. I've spent four in-game days hanging around the town, and nothing has happened. chances are the things attacking the towns are hitting the outskirts, like mines and stuff.
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Roobanguy posted:instead of murdering kids, i just get my hedge knight to threaten them. I tried to take that stuff without a hedge knight and succeeded, but ate 3 light wounds and 2 temporary injuries doing so. Little shits are VICIOUS and them growing up to become an enemy merc band could constitute a crisis of its own, a brother even remarked how little he'd want to meet them when they're grown up
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w/r/t food, I usually buy a varied diet for my dudes, comprised mainly of the cheaper of the long-lasting foods like mushrooms, roots/berries and goat cheese. This is more than enough to trigger the varied food boost( I've had it two times in one game so far), and doesn't destroy my budget the way meat, wine etc. would have.
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I just buy my guys meat to go with their other stuff when I can find it cheap because oh god they're all going to die they deserve at least one nice thing if I can afford it.
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Speaking of dying I just lost my most successful company so far in a battle vs 23 weidergangers and 2 necromancers 
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I haven't made it past day 20 so far, everything goes well until one guy gets an arrow in the face and then suddenly the battle turns into a downward spiral and oh my god everyone is dead except for the one guy with low resolve I like where the difficulty is at but I wish there was an option between beginner and veteran. Money is my biggest problem on veteran, I'm always broke  can't buy armor because I need more recruits, have to buy more recruits because the old ones died due to lack of armor
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bees everywhere posted:I wish there was an option between beginner and veteran.
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bees everywhere posted:I wish there was an option between beginner and veteran. I wish early game armor drops didn't exclusively come from freak accidents. They've had a while to actually test this.
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I wish there was a way/place to sell weapons for even slightly more than you can currently. Would effectively make up for the rare armor drops, with a bit of additional cash flow.
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ditty bout my clitty posted:I wish early game armor drops didn't exclusively come from freak accidents. They've had a while to actually test this. If you want better armor focus on weaponry that excels in head hits or armor bypass. Usually you've destroyed the armor by the time you kill the guy. Theoretically it should be prety easy to get at least mail shirts from bandit raiders, which you can run into pretty early on in small numbers mixed with thugs. Also those find artifact missions with the ancient auxillaries can kit you out with decent 90-95 armor hats On day 15 i did a find artifact mission that netted me a unique heavy chain shirt that had ~250 armor. Man that was cool, i also got a 210 armor pot helmet from a named bandit leader a few days earlier, couldn't believe that poo poo. I restarted from my previous campaign to test out a few new optimizations, since i hardly paid any attention to the quality of the dudes i hired
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if you need more armor flails are your friend because all those dumbass bandits who think just because they have mail and a shield they can run around with do-rags on their head will get their skulls caved in without damaging their chainmail. bandits drop the third tier flails early and often too so you shouldn't need to run around with the lovely flails for long if you feel like committing to them
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In my latest run I've gotten the Noble War event for the first time. When it started, I helped one of the houses take a single town from another one, but after that I couldn't find a single war-related contract for a good ten days. One or two have finally popped up, but now the house I helped the first time is at war with the third house, instead, for some reason. I'm not sure if that is normal or not? Either way, since I've already pissed off one house, I'm not sure I want to piss of a second one. Can anyone confirm that houses will stop wanting to murder you after the war ends within some reasonable amount of time? Also, entirely unrelated, but I happened to notice that as well as increasing the fatigue of both kinds of direwolf armor, they bumped up the penalty on Scale Armor at some point. Sloober posted:If you want better armor focus on weaponry that excels in head hits or armor bypass. Usually you've destroyed the armor by the time you kill the guy. Theoretically it should be prety easy to get at least mail shirts from bandit raiders, which you can run into pretty early on in small numbers mixed with thugs. Also those find artifact missions with the ancient auxillaries can kit you out with decent 90-95 armor hats It's very much worth giving your front-line dudes some daggers, if nothing else. You can walk away from a fight with 7 or 8 bandits with three or four Worn Mail Shirts, which are excellent early game, and, bizarrely, the second most efficient (armor-30/fatigue) non-unique armor in the game, after Direwolf Mail. Even if you're past giving a poo poo about the sort of armor bandits wear, give them some daggers anyway in case you find a contract to hunt down a terror that turns out to be dudes dressed up as direwolves. I wouldn't bother with it for ancient auxiliaries, though. Their helmets (at least the Ancient Household and Legionary helmets, which are the only ones I've seen) are some of the worst in the game: Ancient Household helmets are 95 armor/-8 fatigue, compared to Padded Kettle Hats, which are 140/-8; Ancient Legionary Helmets are 130/-10, vs Closed Flat Top Helmets, which are 170/-10.
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Wallet posted:In my latest run I've gotten the Noble War event for the first time. When it started, I helped one of the houses take a single town from another one, but after that I couldn't find a single war-related contract for a good ten days. One or two have finally popped up, but now the house I helped the first time is at war with the third house, instead, for some reason. I'm not sure if that is normal or not? Either way, since I've already pissed off one house, I'm not sure I want to piss of a second one. Can anyone confirm that houses will stop wanting to murder you after the war ends within some reasonable amount of time? Nobody said they were good hats, but 90 armor hats when all you've got are 50-60 is pretty good with the ease they are to acquire, which is what i was getting at since 4x aux is a common contract fight at the start. Dont have to take special measures for them since surviving hat armor is really common Sloober fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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A long time ago in Beta, equipping a war dog would lower your max fatigue. I just realized that's not the case anymore and now that I've been experimenting with them, I need to point out how good they are for anyone else who wasn't using them. They're an equippable item with no drawbacks that lets you use an action to summon an AI-controlled expendable dodge tank on a nearby tile. If you're fighting Greenskins that try to flank you and hit your archers, the dogs will keep them off long enough for your archers to kill a few off. They always move right after the brother that summons them, so even your front-line guys can use them to stop a distant target from fleeing or to put an obstacle between them and their enemies when they're injured. Moving out of a target's zone of control with Quick Feet then locking them into your own zone with a placed war dog is pretty huge. They have enough dodge to survive fairly well against even mid-tier opponents like ancient legionnaires. AI archers trend toward shooting at them too since they're relatively unprotected and you can place them in front of your ranks. Equip a dog on everyone you can afford one for.
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Wallet posted:In my latest run I've gotten the Noble War event for the first time. When it started, I helped one of the houses take a single town from another one, but after that I couldn't find a single war-related contract for a good ten days. One or two have finally popped up, but now the house I helped the first time is at war with the third house, instead, for some reason. I'm not sure if that is normal or not? Either way, since I've already pissed off one house, I'm not sure I want to piss of a second one. Can anyone confirm that houses will stop wanting to murder you after the war ends within some reasonable amount of time? The noble war is a 3-way free for all - each house is at war with the others, but you won't be hostile to them unless you accept contracts against them. When the war ends all relations get reset to peace, although certainly not friendly.
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