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post more about ancient loads please.
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Ras Het posted:That's very zen of you, but in any case, my point wasn't remotely that I would rather live in whatever oldendayse century you want to choose, but that human society is irredeemably terrible and a lot of the comforts of our lives are actually insanely lovely things 
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Mar 31, 2017 20:45
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CommonShore posted:post more about ancient loads please. In the 21st century you can go online and look at imperial loads whenever you want. Back then you had to wait for the emperor to come by on a rickshaw
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Mar 31, 2017 20:45
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I'm going to buy Caligula: Divine Wrath just to wash this argument from my mind.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:46
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yes, noted lovely thing antibiotics. If only a better society had these things and not our nightmare one
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Mar 31, 2017 20:51
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Agriculture was a mistake
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Mar 31, 2017 20:54
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cheetah7071 posted:Agriculture was a mistake Yeah. I mean, obviously agriculture has its great advantages, but it came packed with a horrific death cult society
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Mar 31, 2017 20:59
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Ras Het posted:If only a better society had these things and not our nightmare one Yeah, our society is just a loving awful mess. God knows I'd rather be a lesbian in 15th century Europe.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:59
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Ras Het posted:Yeah. I mean, obviously agriculture has its great advantages, but it came packed with a horrific death cult society are you for real
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Mar 31, 2017 21:00
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Life was better in the trees. There can't be any hierarchy when we're all on top.
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Mar 31, 2017 21:02
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, our society is just a loving awful mess. Is it a helpful conversation for us each to in turn name a bad thing
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Mar 31, 2017 21:04
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm going to buy Caligula: Divine Wrath just to wash this argument from my mind. are you sure you want to give the man who wrote that money
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Mar 31, 2017 21:28
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Don't worry, I'll get it used.
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Mar 31, 2017 21:36
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Wow, I apologise.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:37
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Don't worry, I'll get it used. It may take some effort to scour off the stains.
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Apr 1, 2017 01:09
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The 17th century was pretty rough. The whole early modern period in general was basically one big mistake.
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Apr 1, 2017 01:34
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I think we can all agree that ancient misanthropic sadbrains types were way better than the modern example itt *lives in a barrel in the agora*
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Apr 1, 2017 01:36
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm going to buy Caligula: Divine Wrath just to wash this argument from my mind. You know this book actually falls within a grand tradition of works that refer to fictional historical sources and legends. In Moby Dick for example, Melville makes a dirty joke about elephants groping women and attributes it to a fictional Greek writer. I suspect by sourcing the story in antiquity it made the salacious details more palatable to his Victorian audience. Herman Melville posted:I should [ ] bethink me of Darmonodes' elephant that so frequented the flower-market, and with low salutations presented nosegays to damsels, and then caressed their zones.
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Apr 1, 2017 01:53
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Melville could actually have cited a legit ancient source for that, though; Plutarch tells a similar story: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0369%3Asection%3D18 quote:The loves of some animals are wild and furious, while others have a refinement which is not far from [p. 399] human and an intercourse conducted with much grace. Such was the elephant which at Alexandria played the rival to Aristophanes1 the grammarian. They were, in fact, in love with the same flower-girl; nor was the elephant's love the less manifest: as he passed by the market, he always brought her fruit and stood beside her for a long time and would insert his trunk, like a hand,2 within her garments and gently caress her fair breasts. Ainsley McTree posted:That book is for people who thought A World Lit Only By Fire was too scholarly
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Apr 1, 2017 02:36
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SerialKilldeer posted:Isn't that the book which claims that medieval peasants walked around naked, slept huddled in a heap on their dirt floors, and had no concept of time or personal identity? Oh is that the one that came up in milhist and I think it ended up with the logical conclusion that the space immediately outside the village was filled with confused peasants who couldn't find their way home?
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Apr 1, 2017 02:39
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FreudianSlippers posted:The 17th century was pretty rough. The whole early modern period in general was basically one big mistake. Would you say that iron and wheat ruined man?
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Apr 1, 2017 03:41
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Arglebargle III posted:Would you say that iron and wheat ruined man? no it was guns germs and steel.
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Apr 1, 2017 03:45
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SerialKilldeer posted:Melville could actually have cited a legit ancient source for that, though; Plutarch tells a similar story: Oh lol. Now I wonder if he just forgot where he read the story and just made up a name to which he could attribute it. Googling the name Darmonodes of course there are elaborate theories that the name has some hidden meaning, although I'm predisposed to ignore such rambling.
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Apr 1, 2017 03:52
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CommonShore posted:post more about ancient loads please. There is strong evidence for most, perhaps all, emperors having jizz. We don't have any direct evidence, such as samples of the imperial loads, but since the majority of emperors had children we can infer the presence of jizz. It is possible some of these children were illegitimate and had other fathers. Plenty of stories circulated about the sex lives of the imperial women, for example the tales about Messalina's competitive orgies, but I think the more extreme of these can be largely dismissed as rumors based on the general Roman misogyny. One of the more interesting ancient jizz stories has nothing to do with the Roman imperial families. It is claimed in multiple ancient sources that the Aphrodite of Knidos has semen stains from one or more men unable to contain themselves in worship. There are claims that the yearly honoring of Min, god of fertility in Egypt, involved the pharoah jizzing into the Nile as a reenactment the story of Atum creating the world by masturbating into the chaotic waters at the beginning of time. Another form of the story claims he blew himself and then spit the semen out to create the gods. The story of Seth and Horus also involves a lot of jizz.
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Apr 1, 2017 04:19
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Grand Fromage posted:There is strong evidence for most, perhaps all, emperors having jizz. We don't have any direct evidence, such as samples of the imperial loads, but since the majority of emperors had children we can infer the presence of jizz. It is possible some of these children were illegitimate and had other fathers. Plenty of stories circulated about the sex lives of the imperial women, for example the tales about Messalina's competitive orgies, but I think the more extreme of these can be largely dismissed as rumors based on the general Roman misogyny. Much better.
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Apr 1, 2017 04:22
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See my question then becomes, what sort of person gazes into the churning primordial aquatic vortex and thinks "man this fukkin allegory puts me in the mood."
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Apr 1, 2017 04:49
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Make Religion Sexy Again
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Apr 1, 2017 05:17
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Grand Fromage posted:
I've always thought this is the best creation story. We're here because a bored god cranked one out.
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Apr 1, 2017 05:25
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If you're into ancient jizz Egyptian religion is full of it.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:28
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In college I heard a similar Hindu one where Shiva was performing tantric meditation when his wife snuck up behind him and startled him. Seems like these stories get around.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:35
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Cyrano4747 posted:Don't even get me started on how insanely lovely plummeting mortality rates in childbirth are. Children don't want to be born, people who are already alive don't want the world to be more crowded than it is. So this benefits who, mothers without a hobby beyond raising kids? I'm going back to the olden days when I could own a bunch of land, feed my cat
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Apr 1, 2017 07:39
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Arglebargle III posted:Would you say that iron and wheat ruined man? Other bad times in history: -Medieval -Megalithic -Industrial revolution -Antiquity (all of it) -Napoleonic era Etc
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Apr 1, 2017 14:53
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Grand Fromage posted:If you're into ancient jizz Egyptian religion is full of it. I'm not really into ancient jizz so much as I was tired of the previous page's slapfight.
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Apr 1, 2017 15:15
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Cyrano4747 posted:God knows I'd rather be a lesbian in 15th century Europe. Probably not the worst choice tho, considering that sex between women wasn't really a thing that anyone really cared about punishing for a whopping long time, as far as I know.
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Apr 1, 2017 15:36
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CommonShore posted:I'm not really into ancient jizz so much You can admit to it, this is a safe space.
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Apr 1, 2017 15:39
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Kemper Boyd posted:Probably not the worst choice tho, considering that sex between women wasn't really a thing that anyone really cared about punishing for a whopping long time, as far as I know. I don't have a specific source but I would be really, really astonished if that were the case.
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Apr 1, 2017 15:56
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Kemper Boyd posted:Probably not the worst choice tho, considering that sex between women wasn't really a thing that anyone really cared about punishing for a whopping long time, as far as I know. Women got punished for being a woman so I don't think they would have given them any slack for this. Obviously they are both witches. Burn them!
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Apr 1, 2017 16:00
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Gay sex between women was generally not super heavily condemned in medieval Christian Europe, definitely not to the degree of gay sex between men. Early medieval penitential records show that it was considered sinful in about the same degree as masturbation. There was definitely a social bias against it and particular against penetrative sex between women (since this was seen to be usurping a male prerogative) but it wasn't like insanely taboo. The 15th century is actually right around the time where you first start seeing it getting women in trouble with the law. This whole essay is a really fun read, but I'll just quote extensively:quote:Moving into the 15th century, we start finding records of legal actions against women for lesbian practices and other associated social crimes. Despite the clear social opprobrium, the amount of data of this type is far less than that for corresponding male transgressions. Those who have combed the legal records have found not more than a dozen examples from the 15th century -- none earlier: 7 women in Bruges in the 1480s, 2 women charged in Rottweil in 1444, and two cases that are interesting in their detail. [Bennett 2000, Boone 1996, Puff 1997] They drowned this last one in the Rhine -- but in view of the circumstances it obviously wasn't just because she was having sex with women. Anatomy of Melancholy (another great read if you have a spare week) also treats of sex between women. Burton thinks of it as a form of what we would call mental illness.
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Apr 1, 2017 16:19
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Kellsterik posted:I don't have a specific source but I would be really, really astonished if that were the case. I seem to recall a dead officer in Hey Gail's time turning out to be a cross-dressing woman. If I remember right, they spoke approvingly of her wife (I think)'s faithfulness.
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Grand Fromage posted:There is strong evidence for most, perhaps all, emperors having jizz. We don't have any direct evidence, such as samples of the imperial loads, but since the majority of emperors had children we can infer the presence of jizz. It is possible some of these children were illegitimate and had other fathers. Plenty of stories circulated about the sex lives of the imperial women, for example the tales about Messalina's competitive orgies, but I think the more extreme of these can be largely dismissed as rumors based on the general Roman misogyny. Arglebargle III posted:Would you say that iron and wheat ruined man? Religion ruined man. Without Christianity, the story above would be daily occurrences still.
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