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Azathoth posted:FDR, for all his faults, is as close as Democrats have right now to a Ronald Reagan figure, and I've never understood why they don't do more to talk about being his inheritors in the same way that Republicans talk about being the party of Lincoln and Reagan. FDR changed America a lot more than Reagan, Reagan ultimately only succeed in tweaking the core of the new deal, social security and the administrative state, at the margins. But FDR message failed 35 years after he died, because by 1980 it was no longer Roosevelt's America And we are just getting to the point when we are no longer in Reagan's America
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Apr 1, 2017 05:38
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WMain00 posted:The Democrats believe that they are the the side of righteous, that only through them will "good" policies be enacted. This is understandable because in the however many years of Democrat and Republican fighting, the Republicans have always shown themselves to be complete and utter monsters. The issue though is that this has caused the Democrats to become narrowly focused, playing more of a mathematical game of stay in power rather than attempting to fix or improve the United States. This is going to change quick, though. There is a massive grassroots progressive movement within the Democratic Party right now that is vigorously pursuing real candidates with anti-corporate views. Our Revolution, Justice Democrats, and Brand New Congress are just a few of the organizations that are doing this. I believe they just intimidated a few blue dog Democrats into renouncing their intent to vote for Gorsuch. Hopefully by 2020, these groups have pushed a majority of Democrats into adopting real progressive positions such as Single Payer Healthcare and free college tuition.
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Apr 1, 2017 05:59
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Ytlaya posted:I find that NPR is good for covering anything that isn't that important. Like their coverage of random stuff that isn't related to politics, the economy, or foreign policy is pretty good.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:17
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FuzzySkinner posted:I keep listening to Chapo's Trap House and their words, along with this post accurately describes my feelings of disgust for them right now. Establishment media (neoliberal) outlets like CNN, NBC, NYT, WaPo, etc. ignored Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary because they would've been taxed more under the former's economic agenda. You have to remember, these 'media' outlets are corporations, meaning their business model is inherently going to consist of pushing propaganda that preserves their self-interest and that of big money in general. Do you really believe that the current level of Red Baiting and hysteria over Russia is of genuine concern to these people? Hint: it's not. It provides them with the perfect smokescreen to avoid issues of genuine concern and urgency to the middle and lower classes of America (AKA get hosed, poors!). These people would have you believe that Obamacare is a 'left-wing' piece of legislation, despite it originally coming from the Heritage Foundation (Romneycare!). When Trump calls the MSM 'fake news,' he's not entirely wrong, albeit for different reasons.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:38
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FuzzySkinner posted:I keep listening to Chapo's Trap House and their words, along with this post accurately describes my feelings of disgust for them right now. Well, it doesn't help that for most Americans, "liberal" and "left-wing" are synonymous. They're not, but it's important for lefties to specify what they mean when they say "liberal" to normies, IMO.
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Apr 1, 2017 10:05
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Majorian posted:Well, it doesn't help that for most Americans, "liberal" and "left-wing" are synonymous. They're not, but it's important for lefties to specify what they mean when they say "liberal" to normies, IMO. nah its actually fun to rip on liberals and have some conservative join in thinking youre on their team and then you lay the truth on them that truth? Maoism Third-Worldism Is The Light
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Apr 1, 2017 10:08
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Azathoth posted:FDR, for all his faults, is as close as Democrats have right now to a Ronald Reagan figure, and I've never understood why they don't do more to talk about being his inheritors in the same way that Republicans talk about being the party of Lincoln and Reagan. FDR hated conservative Dems, and he's not bipartisanly popular anymore because the revisionist right has recast him as an incompetent corrupt idiot who doubled the length of the Depression through his foolish redistributive policies
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Apr 1, 2017 14:49
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Majorian posted:Well, it doesn't help that for most Americans, "liberal" and "left-wing" are synonymous. They're not, but it's important for lefties to specify what they mean when they say "liberal" to normies, IMO. It's funny because when "red state/blue collar" types are introduced or asked about "leftist" ideas? They' seem either for it, or open to the idea. Christ I've even seen them willing to admit that Global Warming is real. But I can't blame them any more for ranting and raving against "LIBERALS" because they are right on the matter. Those people are assholes, and sadly some of the criticisms of them are right. (Ie: "rich. Don't care about workers, authoritarians). Main Paineframe posted:FDR hated conservative Dems, and he's not bipartisanly popular anymore because the revisionist right has recast him as an incompetent corrupt idiot who doubled the length of the Depression through his foolish redistributive policies Glenn Beck being hailed as a "Historian" and ripping on TR, FDR...still pisses me off to this day. gently caress him.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:04
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Main Paineframe posted:FDR hated conservative Dems, and he's not bipartisanly popular anymore because the revisionist right has recast him as an incompetent corrupt idiot who doubled the length of the Depression through his foolish redistributive policies This is mostly among Country Club republicans addicted to Fox News and Talk Radio, though. For instance, Pew Research suggests that 30% of republicans want government healthcare and expanded programs, and that number increases to 52% among republicans who make less than $30k a year: https://www.rt.com/usa/373904-americans-want-government-healthcare/ FuzzySkinner posted:Glenn Beck being hailed as a "Historian" and ripping on TR, FDR...still pisses me off to this day. gently caress him. Is he still rotating between Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt as the godfather of American communism?
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Apr 1, 2017 19:23
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MaxxBot posted:Hillary and Jeb! both ran campaigns that would have been more at home in the early 90s, they were way out of touch with our current political reality. A guy who just happened to be president in the early 90s told Hillary's people that her campaign sucked and they really needed to actually go to those flyover-states and talk about policies that matter. He was laughed at by a bunch of 20-something staffers for being out of touch because "that's what Facebook is for". The_Franz fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 19:39
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The_Franz posted:A guy who just happened to be president in the early 90s told Hillary's people that her campaign sucked and they really needed to actually go to those flyover-states and talk about policies that matter. He was laughed at by a bunch of 20-something staffers for being out of touch because "that's what Facebook is for". Hillary's marriage must be extra rough now after he was proven to be correct.
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Apr 1, 2017 20:07
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MaxxBot posted:Hillary and Jeb! both ran campaigns that would have been more at home in the early 90s, they were way out of touch with our current political reality. I got a bit of this vibe too.
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Apr 1, 2017 21:58
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The_Franz posted:A guy who just happened to be president in the early 90s told Hillary's people that her campaign sucked and they really needed to actually go to those flyover-states and talk about policies that matter. He was laughed at by a bunch of 20-something staffers for being out of touch because "that's what Facebook is for". Nothing says electoral college victory like a bunch of Brooklyn 20 somethings that have never been west of Hoboken
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Apr 1, 2017 22:14
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I hope at the very least JEB! and Hillary's defeats lead to candidates being more entertaining and spontaneous.
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Apr 1, 2017 22:16
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Hillary pulls off the cyberpunk megacorp CEO look well
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Apr 1, 2017 23:47
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Dreddout posted:Hillary pulls off the cyberpunk megacorp CEO look well Cyberpunk Magacorp CEO
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Cyberpunk Magacorp CEO that comes after she joins the GOP and runs as trump term 3
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Apr 2, 2017 08:26
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liberalism is a ideology that espouses lack of values in the public sphere and diversity based on indirect rule the diversity of empire The condition of a protected dependency is more acceptable to the half civilized races, and more suitable for them than direct dominion. It is cheaper, simpler, less wounding to their self-esteem, gives them more career as public officials, and spares of unnecessary contact with white men
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Apr 3, 2017 16:05
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This thread is sorta a dumpster fire but I've learned a few things which I mean sorta makes it okay. What should I read if I wanna know about the failure of the left? I feel like there's plenty to be learned.
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Apr 3, 2017 16:46
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Top City Homo posted:The condition of a protected dependency is more acceptable to the half civilized races, and more suitable for them than direct dominion. It is cheaper, simpler, less wounding to their self-esteem, gives them more career as public officials, and spares of unnecessary contact with white men someone should dig up salisbury and wedgie that prep school nerd's corpse
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Apr 3, 2017 16:55
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buglord posted:This thread is sorta a dumpster fire but I've learned a few things which I mean sorta makes it okay. What should I read if I wanna know about the failure of the left? I feel like there's plenty to be learned. Gotta study history to figure out how we got here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/
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Apr 3, 2017 17:12
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BexGu posted:Gotta study history to figure out how we got here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/ That article is stunning in how they destroyed everything. Pro-click. I also would recommend this excerpt from "LISTEN LIBERAL", a book I have to get because it nails down the failure of neoliberalism: http://listenliberal.com/excerpt.html
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Apr 3, 2017 18:27
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FuzzySkinner posted:That article is stunning in how they destroyed everything. if mcgovern was the child of the clintonista wave, then why do they hate him so much?
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Apr 3, 2017 19:05
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The_Franz posted:A guy who just happened to be president in the early 90s told Hillary's people that her campaign sucked and they really needed to actually go to those flyover-states and talk about policies that matter. He was laughed at by a bunch of 20-something staffers for being out of touch because "that's what Facebook is for". Did this really happen? I've heard it said before, but don't actually know where it's coming from.
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Apr 3, 2017 19:10
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comedyblissoption posted:npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network. I had to cancel my local membership to NPR affiliate. The garbage they ran on Sanders. The absolutely feckless coverage of Syria and US involvement. The pissy middle-ground bullshit they do when they bring on an idiot like Frum or some ultra-right think-tank moron and just let them speak without input. And now non-stop coverage on Russia when there are 10 million other things to worry about. (Oh and focusing an inordinate amount of time on Trump instead of his policies)
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Apr 3, 2017 20:32
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NPR listeners are 74% more likely to earn $100,000+ in household income, 133% more likely to be in top management positions, and 148% more likely to be C-suite executives
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Apr 3, 2017 20:37
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Man Musk posted:NPR listeners are 74% more likely to earn $100,000+ in household income, 133% more likely to be in top management positions, and 148% more likely to be C-suite executives also 1488% more likely to end up in front of a peoples court in a revolution
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Apr 3, 2017 20:50
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liberalism embraces cargo cult scientism as a way to justify status quo capitalism and "human nature" by shutting out dissent to alternative forms of social organization its cyclical failure through myopia to any values serves as the petri dish for fascism
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Apr 4, 2017 01:09
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BexGu posted:Gotta study history to figure out how we got here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/ Hmm quote:By quietly cutting back the influence of unions, Dutton sought to eject the white working class from the Democratic Party, which he saw as “a major redoubt of traditional Americanism and of the antinegro, antiyouth vote.” The future, he argued, lay in a coalition of African Americans, feminists, and affluent, young, college-educated whites.
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Apr 4, 2017 03:25
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spacetoaster posted:Did this really happen? I've heard it said before, but don't actually know where it's coming from. I don't recall that one specifically, but there were a couple instances where Bill said correct things like "Obamacare has problems and we should promise to fix them and generally improve it", and instead of listening, both the campaign and the media both just laughed it off and called it another crazy Bill Clinton gaffe because it contradicted Hillary's messaging.
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Apr 4, 2017 04:27
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't recall that one specifically, but there were a couple instances where Bill said correct things like "Obamacare has problems and we should promise to fix them and generally improve it", and instead of listening, both the campaign and the media both just laughed it off and called it another crazy Bill Clinton gaffe because it contradicted Hillary's messaging.
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Apr 4, 2017 04:44
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't recall that one specifically, but there were a couple instances where Bill said correct things like "Obamacare has problems and we should promise to fix them and generally improve it", and instead of listening, both the campaign and the media both just laughed it off and called it another crazy Bill Clinton gaffe because it contradicted Hillary's messaging. https://youtu.be/g2RcTdVMRVo?t=316 nancy pelosi when asked about moving to single payer or medicare for all, a position similar to what prominent democrats in the past had supported, she can't form a coherent sentence comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 07:48
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Top City Homo posted:liberalism embraces cargo cult scientism as a way to justify status quo capitalism and "human nature" by shutting out dissent to alternative forms of social organization this but like a lot
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Apr 4, 2017 08:34
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comedyblissoption posted:the democrats are still NOT EVEN DOING THIS NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZCzHYMEIeo
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Apr 4, 2017 08:54
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the trump tutelage posted:Hmm I was about to quote this myself lol So sick and tired of people claiming that there is no conflict between working class and the "coalition" outlined here. Clear as day, they abandoned labour and now they are paying for it.
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Apr 4, 2017 12:13
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White Rock posted:Nice I was about to quote this myself lol So sick and tired of people claiming that there is no conflict between working class and the "coalition" outlined here. Clear as day, they abandoned labour and now they are paying for it. [/quote] It also answers the "where has the left been while we've been falling apart?" question centrists love so much. We were locked out of the party.
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Apr 4, 2017 12:23
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Egalitarianism is cool and good, I just love the paternalist proto-wokeness of deciding that the ideal coalition in opposition to the forces of anti-egalitarian traditionalism circa 1975 is wealthy, college-educated whites and [all black people]. Like play that out and it's no loving surprise that Hillary "superpredator" Clinton is a Democrat darling.
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Apr 4, 2017 15:12
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I think my new highly reductive answer is: They always hated most of us, but needed us at the same time, so lip service was paid; Silicon Valley's mountains of clean aesthetic techno junk and their bubbled communities have fooled them into thinking that it's the future and they're all going to move to Elysium any day now, so they're letting the mask slip.
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FuzzySkinner posted:That article is stunning in how they destroyed everything. This was a great excerpt, just bought the book. Thanks.
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