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MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?
Once you live in a place that has them for very long you become desensitized to it pretty quickly. If we had freaked out every single time there was a warning we'd have spent half the summer hiding in the basement. The breathless coverage by the weather guy does genuinely get pretty irritating once you've seen enough warnings to know when you shouldn't or shouldn't actually take it seriously (which isn't to say you can't still be caught of guard, but as mentioned above you kinda just learn to live with that, kinda like how I've now learned to accept that there's a remote possibility the earth will eventually break open and swallow all of Southern California)

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FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012


Here, have some "Holy poo poo. This is not a drill" messages. First set are from this incident:

quote:

Despite these safeguards, the system was accidentally activated at 9:33 a.m. Eastern Standard Time on February 20, 1971.[3] Teletype operator W. S. Eberhardt "played the wrong tape" during a test, which sent an activation message authenticated with the codeword "HATEFULNESS" through the entire system, ordering stations to cease regular programming and broadcast the alert of a national emergency.[4] A cancellation message was sent at 9:59 a.m. EST, but it used an incorrect codeword. A cancellation message with the correct word, "IMPISH", was not sent until 10:13 a.m. EST[4] After 40 minutes and six incorrect cancellation messages, the accidental activation was terminated.

This false alarm demonstrated major flaws in the EBS. Many stations had not received the alert but more importantly, the vast majority of those that did either ignored it (because it came at the time of a scheduled test), or did not know what to do in an emergency.[4] Some stations followed the procedures for an activation, but cancelled them prematurely. It is estimated that only 20% of the stations that received the activation followed the procedures completely.[3] While several stations went off the air, the one best remembered was WOWO in Fort Wayne, Indiana, which broadcast the 1971 events as they happened, a recording of which has become available. Another recording of how the error sounded on WCCO in Minneapolis/Saint Paul, Minnesota can be heard on RadioTapes.com.

Numerous investigations were launched, and several changes were made to the EBS. Among them, the on-air alert announcement was streamlined, eliminating one version of the script that warned the audience of an imminent attack against the country (the WOWO broadcast above does not contain the reference to an attack). Another change was moving the tapes for genuine alerts away from the broadcasting machines to prevent them being mistaken for the weekly test tapes.

WCCO out of Minneapolis kinda going "Yeah this isn't real"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8G7D21UwW0

WOWO out of Ft.Wayne, Indiana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu4r79l8P8I

The message itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgovEUZ7jz0

1985. Somehow someone got a hold of WGN's old tape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TTEWRKnRC0

Apparently during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Conelrad was legit activated and people were told to be ready, but I've yet to find actual audio or video recordings of such. For a very thorough history of this whole ordeal? I highly recommend Oddity Archive's video on this btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7XzCvOtEJU

e: My preemptive apologies on drifting so far off topic from sports, but this stuff is very fascinating to me.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Oh man, one of the engineers I worked with in my radio days was at WOWO when that happened, I gotta ask him about that sometime.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Lmao tornadoes aren't scary unless you're in moore then :rip:

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Alright, time for a little 101 on EAS (and broadcast in general).

So, if you're running a broadcast station (meaning it has a callsign, usually 4 letters starting with W or K depend on where you are), there's several things you need to do. First off, every hour at the top of the hour, you have to identify your station. This is most noticeable when listening to sports on the radio when you'll hear a "Pause 10 seconds for station identification" around that time. This consists of the callsign letters and the city of license. For example, WGN would be "WGN Chicago" or WJJO (Madison, WI, area station) is "WJJO Watertown". You can't have any words between them. TV can get around this by displaying a graphic saying the same thing, or why you see it show up at the top of the hour during sportscasts and other broadcasts that do not have commercials at the top of the hour (read: there's no audio requirement).

This extends to EAS alerts, somewhat. There's two alerts that are in use today that preempt programming: Tornado and Severe Thunderstorm warnings. Once those are received by the EAS receiver, they are immediately rebroadcast (watches can be delayed to a "reasonable" point, aka between songs for radio, but will automatically broadcast if they haven't within 15 minutes). Once the warning is active, the station is required to remind listeners or viewers of the warning until it is expired. For radio, this is usually between songs, and the station I was at it was usually every other. TV this is the ticker on the bottom. Also, if the station is manned at the time of a severe weather warning, it must be manned until all warnings in the area (which is a list of specific counties) are gone.

However, because of the severity of tornadoes compared to a traditional severe thunderstorm, stations take extra precaution on them and have their weather people on screen for the duration.

:eng101:

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Radio crreeeeewwwwwwwww :hfive:

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

As someone in Columbus, it was mostly frustrating because they cut into the game to have the guy basically read the poo poo that had been scrolling across the top of the screen for the last 30 minutes or so. And also because they cut away from the game video and then couldn't get the studio video to work so it was just a blank screen with that same scroll while this bozo read it aloud to us.

Akileese
Feb 6, 2005

FuzzySkinner posted:

Ohio is unusual.

Up north? A tornado largely doesn't do a lot of damage. Where I live the biggest I've seen happen is trees being knocked over or something like that.

South? Yeah they're deadly. Dayton area and towards Indiana gets a lot of bad ones.

This is awful to say...but I think I'd be in the "mad online" camp if this happened to me in Cleveland/Akron/Canton.

So I live in DFW which means we see our fair share of tornado warnings. Luckily, where I live at least, we've been very fortunate with the lack of touch downs (had one the first week I moved here last year and none since then). Our last year in our apartment our complex got shook (building literally felt like it was shaking for a few seconds, which by the way is loving terrifying) by one that passed by 35E near Carrollton/Lewisville and it was fairly minor. Back when I was living in CT they had a tornado touch down in Bridgeport Connecticut. A bunch of us made the joke that "if a tornado went through Bridgeport would anyone even notice?" but in all seriousness it did a fair deal of damage.

Our local weather guy absolutely adores taking people to task for bitching about cut ins to sports and frankly I agree with him. I'm of the attitude that if a tornado touches down, people needed to be warned ASAP. Even if it's a lower category tornado, you don't want to get caught out in it. Having it broadcast on TV certainly reduces the risk of someone trying to leave their house after the game in case they were waiting for it to end.

Now do I think you need a six minute cut away when the feed isn't even working? Nah. Once you know your feed is jacked, cut the audio to the game, blare the alert system noise and keep the ticker going. When the sirens are going off outside, people need to understand that your local station is probably going to cut in and inform everyone.

MourningView posted:

Once you live in a place that has them for very long you become desensitized to it pretty quickly. If we had freaked out every single time there was a warning we'd have spent half the summer hiding in the basement. The breathless coverage by the weather guy does genuinely get pretty irritating once you've seen enough warnings to know when you shouldn't or shouldn't actually take it seriously (which isn't to say you can't still be caught of guard, but as mentioned above you kinda just learn to live with that, kinda like how I've now learned to accept that there's a remote possibility the earth will eventually break open and swallow all of Southern California)

Yeah I've grown to just be used to it now. I think I've had to hide in a closet/bathtub like six times since I've lived here. Once was, hilariously, two days after I moved here. Our general rule is when the sirens start going on, we go into the downstairs bathroom, which is the safe room in the house. But warnings aren't enough. Hilariously, even if we hear sirens, because of the ways they've gerrymandered the loving districts, we have to listen for the far away sirens as opposed to the ones close to us.

Akileese fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 27, 2017

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Yeah storm warnings of any kind can certainly get a little tiring with the BLIZZARD'S COMING, GOTTA GET THE BREAD AND MILK sensationalism, but if they're going to err on any side, better to be that of caution.

E: to get back on topic, DirecTV will have 25 MLB games in 4k this year. First games are as follows:

quote:

4/4 – Cubs @ Cardinals
4/12 – Dodgers @ Cubs
4/21 – Nationals @ Mets
4/27 – Yankees @ Red Sox
4/28 – Cubs @ Red Sox

DJExile fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Mar 27, 2017

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


DJExile posted:

Yeah storm warnings of any kind can certainly get a little tiring with the BLIZZARD'S COMING, GOTTA GET THE BREAD AND MILK sensationalism, but if they're going to err on any side, better to be that of caution.

E: to get back on topic, DirecTV will have 25 MLB games in 4k this year. First games are as follows:

Chicago, LA/Chicago, DC/NYC, NYC/Boston, and Chicago/Boston. I mean, yeah, they could have thrown the white sox a bone but I don't blame them for their choices there.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
I think it's really smart for DirecTV to push the 4k angle because a lot of cable providers foolishly bet on HD being the end of TV improvements and have sold, leased, or just don't have the bandwidth to go 4k any time soon. But they also aren't big enough to motivate the content providers to produce more 4k stuff either, which is a bummer.

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause

sportsgenius86 posted:

As someone in Columbus, it was mostly frustrating because they cut into the game to have the guy basically read the poo poo that had been scrolling across the top of the screen for the last 30 minutes or so. And also because they cut away from the game video and then couldn't get the studio video to work so it was just a blank screen with that same scroll while this bozo read it aloud to us.

poo poo happens that sucks glad my house is still attached to its foundation

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

Rick posted:

I think it's really smart for DirecTV to push the 4k angle because a lot of cable providers foolishly bet on HD being the end of TV improvements and have sold, leased, or just don't have the bandwidth to go 4k any time soon. But they also aren't big enough to motivate the content providers to produce more 4k stuff either, which is a bummer.

After the 3DTV bubble crashed and burned, I can't really blame providers for being hesitant to go all-in on 4K, which could be the next big thing but could just as easily be another passing fad.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Benne posted:

After the 3DTV bubble crashed and burned, I can't really blame providers for being hesitant to go all-in on 4K, which could be the next big thing but could just as easily be another passing fad.

If It is the next big thing, prices will eventually drop. It may survive if only because of the computer industry pushing it

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
Verizon Fios is going to roll out test channels in 4k soon too

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Benne posted:

After the 3DTV bubble crashed and burned, I can't really blame providers for being hesitant to go all-in on 4K, which could be the next big thing but could just as easily be another passing fad.

Which is another reason to hate 3D because it was purely a hubris play on the part of the TV industry who thought they could sell consumers something they didn't really demonstrate that they wanted at home. Whereas there definitely seems to be a demand for 4k.

It is a passing fad though, simply because in less than 10 years 8K TVs will be under $1,000. Not that there will be anything to watch on them. My hope is they figure out some way to make the broadcast backwards compatible and build the TV infrastructure to 8k but that might be a fantasy.

Rick fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Mar 28, 2017

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

iospace posted:

If It is the next big thing, prices will eventually drop. It may survive if only because of the computer industry pushing it

It also doesn't require extra hardware in addition to the TV, unlike the majority of the 3D tv's.

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause

Benne posted:

After the 3DTV bubble crashed and burned, I can't really blame providers for being hesitant to go all-in on 4K, which could be the next big thing but could just as easily be another passing fad.

Well 4K is different because resolution improvements are actually the future but people have been falling for 3D WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING once a decade since the loving 50s

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008
You'll know a piece of technology is A Thing once porn goes all-in on it.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


C. Everett Koop posted:

You'll know a piece of technology is A Thing once porn goes all-in on it.

So... VR then.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


iospace posted:

So... VR then.

VR was built almost exclusively for porn as far as i'm concerned

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

This is an interesting development

https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/846809012796575749

Guess they were that shook by Rio's disappointing ratings

Nolan Arenado
May 8, 2009

I don't even know what 4K is to be honest, people bought HD tvs because the difference between that and a regular old tv was astounding. Surely 4K isn't that much better than HD?

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

Nolan Arenado posted:

I don't even know what 4K is to be honest, people bought HD tvs because the difference between that and a regular old tv was astounding. Surely 4K isn't that much better than HD?

It's nearly 4x the resolution of 1080p. A little more than the difference between 480p and 720p.

Nolan Arenado
May 8, 2009

Kibner posted:

It's nearly 4x the resolution of 1080p. A little more than the difference between 480p and 720p.

That is really misleading unless your tv is the size of the loving wall though.

mentholmoose
Nov 5, 2009

YKNOW THERES ONLY ONE DIRECTION I KNOW AND THATS DRIVIN STRAIGHT TO THE NET

Nolan Arenado posted:

I don't even know what 4K is to be honest, people bought HD tvs because the difference between that and a regular old tv was astounding. Surely 4K isn't that much better than HD?

Practically, right now the difference isn't all that noticeable. In the future it will be a more obvious thing but with movies and TV shows (particularly when you're sitting like ten feet from a 50" TV) there's only so much a resolution increase can do.

It's a much more obvious thing if you're sitting in front of a computer and using a 4k display for that.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?
Good resolution is for nerds imo

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
You definitely can notice 4k but it doesn't make HD feel like garbage the way HD makes SD look bad (and it difficult to tell by looking if a sporting event took place in the 70s or 90s with a glance).

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



It looks nice, but it's also in conflict with streaming, which to a gigantic chunk of people has problems with speeds and data caps that will limit the market.

I suspect that it will become the new standard for televisions eventually, but I'm less optimistic that content will be available much beyond the push 3D got.

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

Kalli posted:

It looks nice, but it's also in conflict with streaming, which to a gigantic chunk of people has problems with speeds and data caps that will limit the market.

I suspect that it will become the new standard for televisions eventually, but I'm less optimistic that content will be available much beyond the push 3D got.

Except for video games and Netflix and Amazon, anyway.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


I think in 10 years time, maybe 15, 4k will be the standard, similar to how 1080p right now. For all intents and purposes, it's easier to make a single lens camera, hell, it's easy to just adapt a prior model to have a new photosensor in it to record in 4k.

Buuuuuut.

Kalli posted:

It looks nice, but it's also in conflict with streaming, which to a gigantic chunk of people has problems with speeds and data caps that will limit the market.

Given ISPs are the predominant form of non-broadcast television providers today and they absolutely hate upgrading equipment and instead prefer to give you the shaft, I see this being the ultimate bottleneck. The technology to support it is there, in that 4k cameras and TVs do exist, but the want for the company that gets it from the camera to the TV isn't.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

DJExile posted:

VR was built almost exclusively for porn as far as i'm concerned
Strange Days was very prescient in this regard. The idea was that you basically used the VR unit to experience three things: violence, murders, and/or sex.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



ESPN is about to axe more on-air personalities

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busi..._source=twitter

iospace
Jan 19, 2038



IF YOU TOUCH HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE I'LL BE VERY UPSET.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

iospace posted:

IF YOU TOUCH HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE I'LL BE VERY UPSET.

Le Batard's TV and radio shows seem to have become proving grounds for new personalities that will go on to become ESPN fixtures. Cutting either might make it harder for ESPN to find or test out newer (presumably cheaper) faces to keep the talking head shows going.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
oh thank god woody paige is safe :geno:

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Yeah I hope they don't touch the radio show, especially since it replaced Cowherd in the 'prime' time slot

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

That report initially came out weeks ago

Considering Mike and Mike are about to break up I'd say Le Batard's safe, since those are the two big ESPN Radio slots

Speaking of which here's Greenberg talking about the reports about his future

http://www.sportingnews.com/other-s...uc1hgshep2r8fpl

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

Please fire Danny Kanell

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Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

ESPN: We overpaid so much for sports we're going to have to fire 75% of the people who talk about the sports that we overpaid to show.

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