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Hard mode sucks. It's not even harder in any meaningful sense, I think the most interesting thing is that it spawned a level 12 Giant Robot guy during my trek through the Apartment Complex, but in return for slightly remixed enemy placement I take one hit and I'm dead from basically everybody and you cannot clear that massive battle before the boss without taking a few glancing blows (That totally kill you in hard) I'm back to Normal now, gently caress it. I wish this game's difficulties were better designed.
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Hard revolves around managing space and knowing the range of your attacks so you can best avoid risking damage. It's an entirely different approach than in most character action games and action RPGs but that's why I'm having fun with it.
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Nina posted:Hard revolves around managing space and knowing the range of your attacks so you can best avoid risking damage. It's an entirely different approach than in most character action games and action RPGs but that's why I'm having fun with it. I would like it more if it felt like the early game is designed around it. Straight up, you have to commit to about an hour's play in a combat scenario where death results in a credits sequence and then you have to reset the entire game. Hard mode, as described, should raise enemy danger rating but not to an extreme setting, as Very Hard would do. But in Hard mode, the only things that do not instantly kill you are the little guys' most basic attacks, so it seems the game can't keep to its own standards of difficulty and balanced hard mode poorly. It's crushingly punishing, moreso than any equivalent mode in, say, Bayonetta 2.
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Apr 2, 2017 14:48
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The thing is though that taking damage in this game is 99% of the time player error and there's one fight which is really bad where you can't help but take damage because line of sight is trash and things that should block attacks don't. (You can totally do it without being hit but it's not realistic for your average player who isn't purposely trying to avoid damage). You can totally get through that area without getting hit at all though and if you're at the desert, you're well past the point where you can easily go make yourself a +6 defense chip of your liking to help counter all of these issues. The game fails at telling people to go do this kind of thing. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 14:51
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That, and you've got cheap and absurdly powerful consumable items. Double melee damage and double melee defense for thirty seconds, for the price of Pretty loving Trivial?
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Apr 2, 2017 15:01
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Exercu posted:That, and you've got cheap and absurdly powerful consumable items. Double melee damage and double melee defense for thirty seconds, for the price of Pretty loving Trivial? Yeah there are no ranks to worry about here. Chug those potions
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Apr 2, 2017 15:06
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I guess I'll just try to git gud then. Though how can I change what items are on my shortcuts menu? I'd like to add teh melee defense items there, but I'm stuck with three heals and a salve.
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Apr 2, 2017 15:12
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You can't, and it annoys the crap out of me, but the same touchpad press that lets you switch between pods gives you fast-ish access to weapons sets and the consumables.
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Apr 2, 2017 15:32
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I just realised during my hard mode playthrough that B routes intro has checkpoints. They realised the intro needed checkpoints in B route but didnt put any in A route right after the flying part. 
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Apr 2, 2017 15:39
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I'm a couple hours into route 'C', and I just noticed that my android flashes red if I hold down the dash button for a couple seconds. What's that all about?
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Apr 2, 2017 16:15
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Lord_Pigeonbane posted:I'm a couple hours into route 'C', and I just noticed that my android flashes red if I hold down the dash button for a couple seconds. What's that all about? It gives you a temporary damage boost. I'm not sure how long it lasts.
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Apr 2, 2017 16:20
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0.68 seconds For an android, that is basically an eternity. RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 16:29
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I love the fact that the hackable chests have a little robot head and eyes on them.
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Apr 2, 2017 16:42
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Okay fished route C/D and E yesterday, i teared up too. a question though, What's the deal with Gestalts and Replicates? i know it's a Neir one thing but the game doesn't really explain who or what they are very well. my assumption was Gestalts are human minds and Replicates where artificial bodies that gained consciousness. did replicates become androids or did they die out too? Is this all explained in Neir 1? Also when 9s finds out that Yorha units blackbox are made from machine cores hit me hard. it really makes the "you're not so different, you and I" ring all the more true. It makes me wonder if this is why 2B hated killing 9S. Even though his memories are transferred to a new body it's effectively just a clone. When Pascal says he core's contain the consciousness of the machines then each 2B and 9S is there own being. hosed up. e: also this game shouldn't have levels. it makes replaying the early chapters a joke with random spikes in gently caress you's (Moose). If they made progress tied to just gear upgrades then i think the game would be way more repayable. OmanyteJackson fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Exercu posted:That, and you've got cheap and absurdly powerful consumable items. Double melee damage and double melee defense for thirty seconds, for the price of Pretty loving Trivial? If you don't have 99 Large Heals by midway through Route B, I dunno what to say.
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OmanyteJackson posted:Okay fished route C/D and E yesterday, i teared up too. a question though, What's the deal with Gestalts and Replicates? i know it's a Neir one thing but the game doesn't really explain who or what they are very well. my assumption was Gestalts are human minds and Replicates where artificial bodies that gained consciousness. did replicates become androids or did they die out too? Is this all explained in Neir 1? You're more or less right about how Gestalts and Replicants worked (although Gestalts are "souls"). All the gestalts and replicants died because Nier, the main character of the first game (who was a replicant), murdered his gestalt, who was the final boss. Turns out, his specific Gestalt was the only thing keeping the other Gestalts sane due to some convoluted bullshit! As a result, all the Gestalts went crazy and died off, and replicants couldn't be reproduced without their associated Gestalt, so they all died off too.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:If you don't have 99 Large Heals by midway through Route B, I dunno what to say. The second I I saw I could by 99 heals in route A I was very glad I had an autoheal chip
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OmanyteJackson posted:Okay fished route C/D and E yesterday, i teared up too. a question though, What's the deal with Gestalts and Replicates? i know it's a Neir one thing but the game doesn't really explain who or what they are very well. my assumption was Gestalts are human minds and Replicates where artificial bodies that gained consciousness. did replicates become androids or did they die out too? Is this all explained in Neir 1? To expand a bit on Zinkraptor's post: the general idea is that after Drakengard 1's ending E, where the final boss dies in *our* world rather than Caim's, the fallout from a god dying in our world creates a fast-spreading disease that is untreatable - White Chloronation. Since blatant-rear end magic is also introduced when Caim's dragon dies in The Realsies too, though, the eggheads of the day get an idea - human consciousness will be detached from our actual bodies and exist as "Gestalts", everyone's bodies will die to Chloronation, and then the mental image of who the Gestalt is (basically) is used to produce a new human body - a Replicant. The idea was for people to go Gestalt, wait for Chloronation to just burn itself out after "killing" all infectable bodies, and then we'd all hop back into our Replicant bodies, indistinguishable from our originals, and humankind would continue on its merry way. The androids were initially developed mostly to oversee the process and watch for any abnormalities. The problem was, the Replicants, being perfect human bodies, developed actual consciousness, which they weren't supposed to - so anyone Gestalt couldn't actually fuse back into their bodies. Needless to say, this created A Mess. Play Nier to find out exactly how it all ended.  quote:Also when 9s finds out that Yorha units blackbox are made from machine cores hit me hard. it really makes the "you're not so different, you and I" ring all the more true. It makes me wonder if this is why 2B hated killing 9S. Even though his memories are transferred to a new body it's effectively just a clone. When Pascal says he core's contain the consciousness of the machines then each 2B and 9S is there own being. hosed up. It's actually also why 2B makes such a big deal about not dying, or at least dying super safe with an immediate backup - she doesn't know about the machine core stuff, but she's keenly aware of the transience of android consciousness. She's had to reset 9S a bunch of times and he's never quite the same person each time, and she's terrified of losing part of who she is. The implication seems to be that she's managed to survive as one continuous consciousness for a long-rear end time, by android standards.
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Wow the Route C hacking resource tower, this sucks super bad and I hate it a lot. 
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SpaceDrake posted:It's actually also why 2B makes such a big deal about not dying, or at least dying super safe with an immediate backup - she doesn't know about the machine core stuff, but she's keenly aware of the transience of android consciousness. She's had to reset 9S a bunch of times and he's never quite the same person each time, and she's terrified of losing part of who she is. The implication seems to be that she's managed to survive as one continuous consciousness for a long-rear end time, by android standards.
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No Wave posted:It's mostly because she loves 9S and he always forgets who she is. It's why she's extra relieved at the end of route A - he's unkillable and there's no way she can carry out her mission. Considering how androids are with not being able to fulfill their programmed incentives that'd be a horrible outcome though. It's how the whole status quo got as bad as it is
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Ixjuvin posted:Wow the Route C hacking resource tower, this sucks super bad and I hate it a lot. Yeah, it's pretty hard at the end
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Despite recommendations, I finally finished hard mode prologue after 3 hours. The trick is; - Get enough exp for level 4. - Literally only ever use your ranged weapons, except to chop up bullet-proof shields. - Grab every healing ware scattered throughout the level. - Heal to 100% every single time you are hit, even if it's just 50hp short of full, you have so many small heals that you're more likely to die with them. The only part I had trouble with was the one-hit kill from the final boss guy. I finally just used the melee-defense for 15 seconds item in case I got hit, although I have no idea if it saves you from being 1-shotted as I managed to avoid being smashed before I found out. When you get the big arm then you've basically won afaik. Fun game anyway.
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The Iron Pipe weapon story is pure  if you've played the first Nier.
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:Despite recommendations, I finally finished hard mode prologue after 3 hours. Congrats, you've completed the most difficult part of the whole game.
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:Despite recommendations, I finally finished hard mode prologue after 3 hours. Also the running heavy attack is your best friend because it has great range and AoE. Just spam that while shooting
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Route E got me pretty good because the first message I got was something like "The bullets rain down endlessly because you are worthless 神秘 North Korea" and I thought that was pretty weird even for Yoko Taro but then more messages appeared and I realized they were user generated
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BUT THEN YOU DIE AND ALL YOUR CHIPS ARE GONE AND YOU GOTTA GET THEM BACK but then it KILLS YOU in ONE HIT and you lost EVERYTHING and then you are VERY ANGRY EDIT: I mean gently caress me, but Dark Souls at least didn't unequip all my gear every time I died EDIT EDIT: gently caress you and gently caress this. Hard mode can throw enemies seven levels higher than me at me, Hard mode can punish me harshly for dying, Hard Mode can give me not enough health to survive basic attacks, but if it's going to do all three, then I'm not even going to loving bother this is abject horse poo poo do you know how many enemies can bust out shockwave moves that kill you in one hit the answer is a surprisingly large loving amount 8-Bit Scholar fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Ending E the mean phrases are there so that you have to make the conscious effort to send a supportive message. If you completed it and then saw that the only choices were all nice things then it would feel forced.
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Important Pod Appreciation Post for PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQM9SI4Aomc To pet, simply control the camera with your mouse and rapidly move your mouse in small circles, it should work after few times.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:BUT THEN YOU DIE AND ALL YOUR CHIPS ARE GONE AND YOU GOTTA GET THEM BACK you know you could play on normal if your having that much trouble
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:Despite recommendations, I finally finished hard mode prologue after 3 hours. No wonder you kept playing SFV.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:BUT THEN YOU DIE AND ALL YOUR CHIPS ARE GONE AND YOU GOTTA GET THEM BACK holy poo poo then don't play on hard dude, there's no achievement for it or anything
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I did not know you could pet your pod on PC and now the opportunity has passed.
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Cardboard Box posted:holy poo poo then don't play on hard dude, there's no achievement for it or anything I've switched back to normal, but I'm a bit frustrated, I generally enjoy hard mode difficulties in games. I mean, I beat Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne on hard mode, and I've never shied away from Platinum games challenge modes before. So it feels extra frustrating to struggle so much with this game's harder difficulties, especially since it serves to highlight all the things I dislike about the combat mechanics. EDIT: I petted my pod and now I am calmer
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yeah i wish there was a better middle ground because i never found normal very challenging but hard is so beyond me
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Not all hard modes are created equal, sometimes they are very poorly implemented
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Dias posted:No wonder you kept playing SFV. I'm a masochist.
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Oh gently caress No one stops no there's just, it's something in my eye, shut up
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