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Completely forgot that I owned GOG version (gold) so I went ahead and installed that one and used WSGF fix for 1920x1080 resolution and FOV. Let's give it a try. Thanks for the tips!
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How do people usually make their midi tracks for wads and such? Can I cool and make one too? I haven't got a midi keyboard but I got a lot of patience.
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Uncle Kitchener posted:How do people usually make their midi tracks for wads and such? Can I cool and make one too? I haven't got a midi keyboard but I got a lot of patience. ACID Music Studio is probably the easiest tool to use for a beginner to creating MIDI tracks. You'll need to have a decent idea of how to write/play music in general though.
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fishmech posted:ACID Music Studio is probably the easiest tool to use for a beginner to creating MIDI tracks. You'll need to have a decent idea of how to write/play music in general though. I've played piano and I have a decent understanding of music theory, so I can write and read sheets. I just never really ventured outside of Bosco Coil or Famitracker, but the problem with those is that they don't do midi well at all and I don't understand general Midi well. I just know it's stuff I heard back in the 90s from DOS games and that's it. edit: How do you get the Doom-ish Midi sound? Is it channel and device dependent or do all Midi files sound the same if you're using the right instruments? Uncle Kitchener fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Uncle Kitchener posted:edit: How do you get the Doom-ish Midi sound? Is it channel and device dependent or do all Midi files sound the same if you're using the right instruments? Alternatively, Roland Sound Canvas VA includes an SC-55 mode, though it's not 100% accurate; still, it's close. (It's also $125, but probably easier to get working on modern systems than the actual hardware - which costs about as much on eBay - and lets you use it as an SC-88, an SC-88 Pro, and an SC-8820 as well.) Another alternative, just use BASSMIDI (or your soundfont-using software of choice) and Patch93's SC-55 soundfont, which is pretty accurate. (And it's free!) Last option: just use the built-in Microsoft GS synth. It's kinda lovely, has low sample quality, lacks chorus and reverb, but it is based on the SC-55, so it's still better than nothing.
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Apr 2, 2017 03:47
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Shadow Hog posted:Doom was composed against a Roland Sound Canvas SC-55 (not sure if mkII or not), so if you really need that specific sound, you'd probably need one of those. You can use a USB-to-MIDI cable to hook it up to your computer, I think? Ah, the soundfont was what I was looking for. Thanks for this.
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fishmech posted:ACID Music Studio is probably the easiest tool to use for a beginner to creating MIDI tracks. You'll need to have a decent idea of how to write/play music in general though. Well... I'm half-convinced Cyriak just mashes buttons until it sounds... well, you can decide whether or not it's good, but it's very distinctive. But unless you're him yeah pretty much Keiya fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 20:46
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I'm probably different since I just mostly want to do covers and stuff like that, not really original music. Speaking of Roland SC-55, how well do source ports emulate the sound compared to the original sound canvas?
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There aren't source ports of the SC-55. That poo poo's still proprietary, hence why they're selling software that emulates an SC-8820 emulating an SC-55 for $125. Doom source ports just send MIDI instructions to it (or an actual SC-55, or your MIDI synth w/ that SC-55 soundfont) blindly; they don't really do anything special for an SC-55 compared to any other MIDI synth.
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Uncle Kitchener posted:I'm probably different since I just mostly want to do covers and stuff like that, not really original music. There are SC-55 music packs put together by fans for both Duke and Doom you can use. Those sound better than the default music with the source ports, at least for me since I haven't messed with any soundfront stuff. Duke 3D World Tour also has new mixes of all the music by Lee Jackson, which to me sounds better than any other version of the Duke music.
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Shadow Hog posted:There aren't source ports of the SC-55. That poo poo's still proprietary, hence why they're selling software that emulates an SC-8820 emulating an SC-55 for $125. So, is it just sending the instructions to Microsoft GS synth or Timidity++ and they're just trying to play with whatever instrument available? Or is it actually emulating an SC-55? I'm not too sure I still understand this. Heavy Metal posted:There are SC-55 music packs put together by fans for both Duke and Doom you can use. Those sound better than the default music with the source ports, at least for me since I haven't messed with any soundfront stuff. Duke 3D World Tour also has new mixes of all the music by Lee Jackson, which to me sounds better than any other version of the Duke music. Could you link some examples? I've been going through Doomworld's archive for music wads but I haven't noticed anything that specifically attempts to do this. http://sc55.duke4.net/ Is this one of them? Uncle Kitchener fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Uncle Kitchener posted:So, is it just sending the instructions to Microsoft GS synth or Timidity++ and they're just trying to play with whatever instrument available? Or is it actually emulating an SC-55? I'm not too sure I still understand this.
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Uncle Kitchener posted:Could you link some examples? I've been going through Doomworld's archive for music wads but I haven't noticed anything that specifically attempts to do this. Yep those are the ones I use, there are Doom ones on that site too. Good stuff. And there are alternatives also, some like to release music of the game through an Arachno SoundFont, these SC-55 ones sound smoother to me. For GZDoom the music doesn't need to be a .wad, these work too, I use ZDL and put the music zip in the load order. I think that's how I did it anyway, been a while since I played the Doom/Doom2 campaigns. Usually listen to the music that comes with the new maps I'm playing. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Uncle Kitchener posted:So, is it just sending the instructions to Microsoft GS synth or Timidity++ and they're just trying to play with whatever instrument available? Or is it actually emulating an SC-55? I'm not too sure I still understand this. A MIDI synth can basically do whatever it wants with the data. The Sound Canvas family was (one of?) the first MIDI synths entirely based around having a large library of sound samples and then pitchshifting and mixing those to produce sound, rather than using actual synthesis like FM or additive synth. So one part of making a synth the sounds like the SC-55 is having the same (or comparable) database of samples as the original, that's what's generally called a "sound font". However the complete synth also includes the actual algorithms used for selecting appropriate samples, for pitchshifting them, the variable reverb and chorus effects, and the mixing. You'd need to reverse-engineer all those parts to get a full copy. However a general purpose sound font based synth like BASSMIDI (which is what CoolSoft Virtual MIDI Synth is based on) does all of those things, just not exactly the same the SC-55 did, so if you can get an SC-55-like sound font for it, you'll be very close.
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Requiem: Avenging Angel is 60% off on Steam right now; $3.99 (or £2.79 in proper money). Offer ends in about 20 hours so grab your mediocre late-90's lithtech shooter while it's hot I guess? guess I'll get round to this one after I've finished WWII GI and UberSoldier 2
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So far, the Patch93 SC-55 soundfont is the best I've heard.
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Convex posted:Requiem: Avenging Angel is 60% off on Steam right now; $3.99 (or £2.79 in proper money). Offer ends in about 20 hours so grab your mediocre late-90's lithtech shooter while it's hot I guess?  i thought requiem was a custom engine done by cyclone and not lithtech?
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ETPC posted:
You're probably right. Either way it doesn't loving work unless you apply some weird fixes 
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Convex posted:Requiem: Avenging Angel is 60% off on Steam right now; $3.99 (or £2.79 in proper money). Offer ends in about 20 hours so grab your mediocre late-90's lithtech shooter while it's hot I guess? I liked Ubersoldier more than I should have, that is to say, at all.
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There's an MT-32 emulator out there you can point DOS games to with Dosbox and use as a MIDI out in Windows too.
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Just curious, am I the only one who thinks those Roland synths sound like rear end? They try to sound realistic but fail completely at it, while Adlib/OPL2/SB16/whatever just sounds right to me as videogame music.
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Mordja posted:I liked Ubersoldier more than I should have, that is to say, at all. I never played the first one but the second is competent and workmanlike. Very Raven Software-esque as in solid, fun while you play but not as memorable as it could be.
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Wamdoodle posted:I never played the first one but the second is competent and workmanlike. Very Raven Software-esque as in solid, fun while you play but not as memorable as it could be. I should try it again, I didn't spend much time on it, but that opening truck section was awful.
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catlord posted:I should try it again, I didn't spend much time on it, but that opening truck section was awful. Oof, yeah. You just reminded me. Not the strongest start to a game, lol.
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I think I just found that Goldeneye mouse injector via Google. Holy crap, this thing works great. 
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I think I understand a lot more about Midi synths and what they did. Really interesting stuff what you can do with just a couple samples. Also, any Daikatana regulars in this thread or am I the only one that enjoys pain? Apparently there's a 1.4 patch or something out, but I'm still using 1.3 and it's still 10 times better than the original game.
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Shadow Hog posted:I think I just found that Goldeneye mouse injector via Google. Am I correct in thinking that this is some sort of plugin for an n64 emulator so you can play a GE rom with a mouse?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Am I correct in thinking that this is some sort of plugin for an n64 emulator so you can play a GE rom with a mouse? That's exactly what it is, and it was linked earlier in the thread. It worked great when I tried it with Goldeneye, supposedly it's "optimized" for Perfect Dark and Goldeneye. I guess that means they tweaked the mouse settings just for those games. But while it's a plugin, it comes with its own emulator already set up. So all you need is Perfect Dark or Goldeneye.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Am I correct in thinking that this is some sort of plugin for an n64 emulator so you can play a GE rom with a mouse?
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Shadow Hog posted:I think I just found that Goldeneye mouse injector via Google. Mind re-linking it?
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Luigi Thirty posted:There's an MT-32 emulator out there you can point DOS games to with Dosbox and use as a MIDI out in Windows too. Yep, it's definitely worth having on hand, for those old games written specifically for the MT-32.
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nielsm posted:Yep, it's definitely worth having on hand, for those old games written specifically for the MT-32.
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After playing through Turok EX I got to say that I respect the game a whole lot more now. It's a drat good retro shooter.
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man in the eyeball hat posted:Mind re-linking it?
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Shadow Hog posted:I think I just found that Goldeneye mouse injector via Google. I started replaying Perfect Dark with this a few weeks back and I remember thinking it would make the game trivial and maybe break down the rose colored glasses for it but wow, on the highest difficulty and with responsive mouse aiming and 60fps, it's still a legit good shooter. I forgot how many different objectives their were for each mission and some enemies will completely gently caress your poo poo up if you're not quick enough to dish out headshots or explosives. The one thing I did find funny is how easy it is to shoot guns out of guards hands now.
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Hey quote is not edit my dude E: what the gently caress Awful app
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This really owns, more than I thought since I only played Goldeneye 64 with my gamepad and it usually runs like poo poo despite having a decent computer. It runs smooth with Glide64, sound is perfect and it handles really nice. I know what I'm playing this weekend
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I love watching Bond "replay" his death 3 times while the rest of the world continues on like normal that poo poo never gets old, it's a classic feature
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Look! Bond dies, he dies again, from a completely different angle. What the heck? Is this some funky new directing style?
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