Will Perez force the dems left? This poll is closed. |
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Yes | 33 | 6.38% | |
No | 343 | 66.34% | |
Keith Ellison | 54 | 10.44% | |
Pete Buttigieg | 71 | 13.73% | |
Jehmu Green | 16 | 3.09% | |
Total: | 416 votes |
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Fulchrum posted:"Democrats" didn't. A voter in the Democratic party who does not hold sway, influence or power, did. There is a giant gently caress-off difference between these two points you are not acknowledging. Also: Frijolero posted:You're equating social media nonsense to Ellison being called an anti-semite by major news corporations and donors like Haim Saban.
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Confounding Factor posted:I agree with you on Clinton, she lost for a number of reasons and I'll admit it wasn't because of her economic proposals (whatever those were). However Americans are truly desperate for a change, and keeping with the status quo economically but socially more liberal (the perception of Hilary) wasn't going to cut it. that a fascist won at all should tell you just how much neoliberalism has failed. if neoliberalism was meeting people's needs we would not be sliding towards the hitlerzone right now
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:53 |
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Condiv posted:like, there were thinkpieces being written all the time asking if ellison was really who we needed to appeal to voters in this new age of trumpism thanks to him being a black muslim. And then they elected a Dominican. Small flaw in your argument.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:54 |
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Fulchrum posted:And then they elected a Dominican. Small flaw in your argument.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:57 |
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Kilroy posted:If you used racism to knock out the candidate you don't want, you're not excused because you withheld using it against the candidate you do. If it's about maintaining a lily white hegemony as ranted and raved above, why is Perez any more acceptable than Ellison?
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:01 |
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Fulchrum posted:And then they elected a Dominican. Small flaw in your argument. not really. they used racism against the black candidate to install the whiter candidate. just like they smeared the jewish guy as racist and sexist so that a white woman could beat him.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:01 |
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Fulchrum posted:If it's about maintaining a lily white hegemony as ranted and raved above, why is Perez any more acceptable than Ellison? he's whiter by a lot
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i for one think its very progressive that the democrats elected an ordained dominican friar as party chairman
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:02 |
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Condiv posted:he's whiter by a lot
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:09 |
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Agnosticnixie posted:As very serious people have explained multiple times, donors give money out of the goodness of their hearts for no apparent reason and there is no influence tied to that whatsoever. I bet you can't show me even one contract where Dershowitz got influence for his money, can you? I thought not. Checkmate.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:13 |
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Fulchrum posted:If it's about maintaining a lily white hegemony as ranted and raved above, why is Perez any more acceptable than Ellison? Also, yeah. This: Condiv posted:he's whiter by a lot
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:22 |
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Frijolero posted:You're equating social media nonsense to Ellison being called an anti-semite by major news corporations and donors like Haim Saban. Yeah, but who gives a poo poo what some Power Rangers guy has to say. Have you seen this mean tweet about Hillary from saxman32 thats been trending? Those Berniebros!
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:22 |
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Also, are you people seriously gonna keep pretending that the connections Ellison had to the Nation of Islam, things he himself has acknowledged, were all a big neoliberal lie?
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Fulchrum posted:Also, are you people seriously gonna keep pretending that the connections Ellison had to the Nation of Islam, things he himself has acknowledged, were all a big neoliberal lie? The fact you care shows your racism.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:25 |
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Is it possible that keith ellison was the super predator hillary warned us about? Did she win after all?
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:35 |
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Kilroy posted:Also, yeah. This: nah. dem leadership is really really white. like, sure they're trying not to be a racist party, but it's not easy when a vast majority of your leadership is white. if we get more PoC in the leadership of the dems we're more likely to have leadership that truly responds to the needs of minorities and the downtrodden: quote:The reason that the strategy and spending is so misguided and wasteful stems from the third structural flaw: the almost apartheid-like structure of the Democratic Party and progressive movement. The monochromatic composition of those who control most of the money in progressive politics more closely resembles old South Africa and not the rainbow coalition of voters who elected Obama and Clinton. The leaders and top staff of the Democratic Party and the progressive movement do not reflect the racial diversity of the party’s base. These managers, in turn, do not possess the cultural competence to run effective campaigns in a racially polarized electorate. imo, we need more PoC in leadership in the dem party if we're going to actually properly represent PoC. pablo from the DNC highlighted this quite well in 2016 i think Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:Also, are you people seriously gonna keep pretending that the connections Ellison had to the Nation of Islam, things he himself has acknowledged, were all a big neoliberal lie? holy poo poo. so not only do you think it's not a big deal, you actually subscribe to this racism
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Condiv posted:i have family in oklahoma, all who are more centrist and better supporters of hillary than i ever was. why do you still think they deserve to suffer more than dems living in a blood red state already do?
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Condiv posted:he's whiter by a lot
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:40 |
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Condiv posted:
7/10 of the DNC leadership are PoC or hispanic
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:43 |
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Condiv posted:holy poo poo. so not only do you think it's not a big deal, you actually subscribe to this racism So, yes. You are going to pretend it didn't happen. Condiv posted:nah. dem leadership is really really white. like, sure they're trying not to be a racist party, but it's not easy when a vast majority of your leadership is white. if we get more PoC in the leadership of the dems we're more likely to have leadership that truly responds to the needs of minorities and the downtrodden:
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Condiv posted:nah. dem leadership is really really white. like, sure they're trying not to be a racist party, but it's not easy when a vast majority of your leadership is white. if we get more PoC in the leadership of the dems we're more likely to have leadership that truly responds to the needs of minorities and the downtrodden: I also don't get what you're trying to say. Perez is not white.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:44 |
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Condiv is right tho. When I heard about Dem leadership support for Perez I thought "Ya'll couldn't have picked a whiter latino." (Source: I'm a light skinned latino) Ellison is a black former NOI supporter. Tom Perez is an upper class Euro-bred Dominican. One is clearly "whiter" and more palatable to the ultra-white ultra-rich Dem elite.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:45 |
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i would appreciate it if you would actually contradict your old post if you're going to pretend to be leftist were you not aware that that matters a lot in the context of race? people who are closer to the white ideal are treated better by our racist system
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:46 |
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Fulchrum posted:So, yes. You are going to pretend it didn't happen. So yes you are a racist.
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Frijolero posted:Condiv is right tho. When I heard about Dem leadership support for Perez I thought "Ya'll couldn't have picked a whiter latino." (Source: I'm a light skinned latino)
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Fulchrum posted:So, yes. You are going to pretend it didn't happen. No one thinks it's a lie, you gross idiot. They (correctly) think it's meaningless. It's like saying "well you can't deny that Ellison IS Muslim, huhu?!?"
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:51 |
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Fulchrum posted:So, yes. You are going to pretend it didn't happen. she was only chair because DWS, hillary's faithful, had to step down. also, i'm aware of his association with the nation of islam. i'm also aware he's not an anti-semite, which is hinted at by a certain loveable semite nominating him. hell, his jewish constituents came out during the election to correct the record on that smear, making it clear that they loved him. 7/10 of the DNC leadership are PoC or hispanic [/quote] i'm glad the leadership of the DNC is finally not lily-white a few months after they really needed PoC leading. there's still alot of other leadership positions that are held by white people. let's keep replacing them till we are at a much more representative population imo Kilroy posted:On the other hand, that Baltimore major. i'm not gonna pretend black people, or other PoC are flawless allies. however, it's hard for us to actually address black people's needs as white people, because the system we live in does it's damndest to hide racism from our sight. hence why we need more PoC in leadership positions Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Frijolero posted:Condiv is right tho. When I heard about Dem leadership support for Perez I thought "Ya'll couldn't have picked a whiter latino." (Source: I'm a light skinned latino) What's Euro-bred mean here
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Fulchrum posted:Also, are you people seriously gonna keep pretending that the connections Ellison had to the Nation of Islam, things he himself has acknowledged, were all a big neoliberal lie? Holy poo poo lmao Literally fear mongering a Muslim congressman lol
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to those who say republicans are misogynist, i would note that 9/10 of rnc leadership were born of a living woman's womb
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:55 |
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah, look at the white man who had the job before Perez. This is like saying, "The Motion Picture Academy isn't overwhelmingly white and old; its president is a black woman!"
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:56 |
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Fulchrum posted:So, yes. You are going to pretend it didn't happen. Help all I see is republicans in every level and branch of government
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Calibanibal posted:to those who say republicans are misogynist, i would note that 9/10 of rnc leadership were born of a living woman's womb That'd be relevant if the criticism was "RNC needs more humans not people born of axlotl tanks"
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Pedro De Heredia posted:No one thinks it's a lie, you gross idiot. They (correctly) think it's meaningless. So you're saying you think that Islam is inherently anti-Semitic? Cause that's the only way your comparison makes any sense.
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Condiv posted:i'm not gonna pretend black people, or other PoC are flawless allies. however, it's hard for us to actually address black people's needs as white people, because the system we live in does it's damndest to hide racism from our sight. hence why we need more PoC in leadership positions
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:What's Euro-bred mean here if i had to guess, he's intimating that perez is closer to the french or the english than native dominican
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Kilroy posted:But it's not enough, is it? If it was you'd be pleased with Perez because he's definitely a PoC, and if he threatened the "white" establishment in his PoC-ness they wouldn't have burned Ellison in favor of him. That's why I'm saying the distinction here is one of class, not race, and that's important to focus on because PoC like Perez are quite able and willing to preserve that class supremacy, and even if we fill every position in the entire DNC with PoC it's not going to mean a drat thing if they're serving the interests of our national elite first and foremost. no it's not enough. and yes, class focus is important too. we want to avoid leaders like pugh who propagate the economic injustice that dems like to pretend isn't related to racism at all.
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Taking all bets on whether Condiv or Crowsbeak will be the first to use the m word to describe President Obama.
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Fulchrum posted:Taking all bets on whether Condiv or Crowsbeak will be the first to use the m word to describe President Obama. Milquetoast?
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