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My suspicion is that there's going to be some really excessively-costed flashback spell running around (probably with some massive obliterate or plague wind style effect), and they wanted to avoid having a deck around dark-dwellers cheating it out.
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Jabor posted:My suspicion is that there's going to be some really excessively-costed flashback spell running around (probably with some massive obliterate or plague wind style effect), and they wanted to avoid having a deck around dark-dwellers cheating it out. I hope we get a ten plagues card that works like the Confluences, except it's "choose ten".
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Also I just around to actually reading the mechanics article and I just have to say, "whenever you cycle or discard a card" is profoundly stupid wording.
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Lone Goat posted:Go to the prerelease or FNM and ask ten strangers how it worked, see how many get it right LOL how many of those people played modern?
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No, that templating is actually good. It makes the cards less narrow than if they only mentioned cycling and more intuitive to new players than if they only said discard.
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uPen posted:It's a stupid, counter intuitive interaction and it being removed from the game is a good thing. Sounds like you got owned by it a few too many times son.
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Gonna need people to start listing their opinions re: Gifts Ungiven
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I only have the Kamigawa one and it's basically not in my cube for that reason. (trying to keep my cube relatively newb friendly)
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gonna need people to start listing their opinions re: Gifts Ungiven These people probably think it needs to force you to take all 4 cards to be chosen so you cant do the unburial rights shenanigans by just choosing two so they both end up in the yard.
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whydirt posted:No, that templating is actually good. It makes the cards less narrow than if they only mentioned cycling and more intuitive to new players than if they only said discard. Putting rules text on a card that does literally nothing is bad for new players, because it sets up false expectations. If they wanted to explicitly call out cycling so that new players would see the combo, it should have been in reminder text.
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Jabor posted:Putting rules text on a card that does literally nothing is bad for new players, because it sets up false expectations. What false expectations does this wording create?
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whydirt posted:What false expectations does this wording create? It creates the expectation that other discards-matter cards (that don't call out cycling) don't trigger when you cycle a card. Otherwise why would this particular card need to call it out separately?
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gonna need people to start listing their opinions re: Gifts Ungiven The updated wording is good. There's no need to have a "correct" logically deducible wording that doesn't really represent anything more than being familiar with the interaction instead of a more intuitive wording. Some people will think the former is a gotcha, some will think it makes them clever masterminds. Only the ~clever masterminds~ side is insufferable.
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Chill la Chill posted:The updated wording is good. There's no need to have a "correct" logically deducible wording that doesn't really represent anything more than being familiar with the interaction instead of a more intuitive wording. Some people will think the former is a gotcha, some will think it makes them clever masterminds. Only the ~clever masterminds~ side is insufferable. liking weird interactions makes you an insufferable ~mastermind~, ok cool like if the change were done in a way that didn't kill this wacky sax deck I wouldn't give a poo poo
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Jabor posted:It creates the expectation that other discards-matter cards (that don't call out cycling) don't trigger when you cycle a card. Otherwise why would this particular card need to call it out separately? Solution Whenever you discard a card (cycling discards a card),
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dragon enthusiast posted:Solution Exactly. Would have been much better.
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Gifts Ungiven is a good example of a case where they simply added some helpful clarity with the updated wording and didn't break any previously existing interactions or insult anyone's intelligence too much.Jabor posted:Exactly. Would have been much better. I mean, there's already reminder text to clue you in that cycling is discarding. It just happens to be the cycling reminder text. I don't really think asking people to correlate a key word on two separate cards is asking for the moon on a plate, cognitively speaking JerryLee fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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The Tar Heels won, once again proving that blue is the best color.
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Jabor posted:The only tricky bit was being able to check one half of the card to see if you were allowed to cast it for free, and then actually casting the other half/both. Pretty much everything else around split cards was completely logical and straightforward if you just thought about them as two separate cards stuck together, which is a really easy mental model to grasp. This guy gets it. 
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The amount of times moderately experienced magic players don't fully comprehend Blast from the Past in my cube leads me to the more explicit side even though it was odd to see at first.
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TheKingofSprings posted:liking weird interactions makes you an insufferable ~mastermind~, ok Technical writing is a cool and good field, imo.
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TheKingofSprings posted:liking weird interactions makes you an insufferable ~mastermind~, ok Pretty much, the deck wasn't that good it was just fun and a neat interaction in the game with a poo poo-ton of weird interactions. Somebody got salty about getting emrakul dropped on them second turn via Kari Zhev's Expertise off Simian Spirit Guide (which probably needs a ban) and Breaking//Entering I bet even though same thing can happen with Goryo's Vengeance.
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Stop arguing and look at this cat. 
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i wanna pet that cat
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How are the tokens being printed? Is it going to be random and awful like checklist cards, or only 1 embalm card per booster so you always get the token?
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uPen posted:How are the tokens being printed? Is it going to be random and awful like checklist cards, or only 1 embalm card per booster so you always get the token? This is WotC we're talking about here, it's going to be the first one.
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uPen posted:How are the tokens being printed? Is it going to be random and awful like checklist cards, or only 1 embalm card per booster so you always get the token? Probably going to be distributed like regular tokens, completely at random. That's why they have the punch card thing, because this set has a billion things to track.
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Either that Grixis Shadow deck is absolute garbage or I'm playing it incorrectly.
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its me glenda posted:i wanna pet that cat I want to pet the zombie one as much as the real one E: More, actually Elyv fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Prowling Serpopard shouldn't be Creature - Cat Snake it should be Creature - Ferret
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Elyv posted:I want to pet the zombie one as much as the real one That the mummified cat would have the same physical dexterity and thus same stats as the living counterpart is straining believability. Massive flavor fail, Wizards, smh.
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BJPaskoff posted:Stop arguing and look at this cat. good target for googly eyes
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The change to split cards is dumb and bad and the people who disagree are dumb and wrong and bad, argument over everyone can go to bed or back to playing P5 or whatever the heck. e: Mummy Cat is cute. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Dungeon Ecology posted:good target for googly eyes Mister Mummtato Kitty The Shortest Path posted:The change to split cards is dumb and bad and the people who disagree are dumb and wrong and bad, argument over everyone can go to bed or back to playing P5 or whatever the heck.  AbbadonOfHell fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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JerryLee posted:I don't really think asking people to correlate a key word on two separate cards is asking for the moon on a plate, cognitively speaking Also, one of the fun things about a set is the "aha!" moments you get when you realize that two things work well together, even if it's so obvious that literally everyone figures it out almost immediately. Spelling them out explicitly doesn't make the game easier to play, it just takes away a fun bit of discovery for no real reason. Basically what I'm saying is, Wizards please don't do this: 
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It also leaves open the possibility of printing effects such as "When a card is cycled, its owner shuffles it into their library instead of discarding it" without hosing the synergy, not that that's particularly likely.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Also, one of the fun things about a set is the "aha!" moments you get when you realize that two things work well together, even if it's so obvious that literally everyone figures it out almost immediately. Spelling them out explicitly doesn't make the game easier to play, it just takes away a fun bit of discovery for no real reason. Foul Emissary not working when sacrificed to other stuff like Eldritch Evolution was the most recent and dumbest example of this, just ahead of that land from BFZ block that only provided colored mana to spells with Devoid rather than all colorless spells.
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beergod posted:Either that Grixis Shadow deck is absolute garbage or I'm playing it incorrectly. Well the deck is pretty good, so
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beergod posted:Either that Grixis Shadow deck is absolute garbage or I'm playing it incorrectly. I'm sure it's the former.
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gently caress has anyone posted a guide or streamed it
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