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Who could have guessed that the Khamer and Profiteur Merchantry was run by Khamer and Profiteur?  But I really do love how the local faction has their mooks as random encounters in the area. It was true for the Sky Knights and it holds true for the Merchantry as well.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Who could have guessed that the Khamer and Profiteur Merchantry was run by Khamer and Profiteur? Guess who was surprised by this first time around because they promptly forgot the king of Ancheim's name?  Kemix posted:So Regicide next? Seems legit.
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Commander Keene posted:Look, Tiz needs his bloodlust satisfied. He's already killed a Knight, obviously the next step up was a King. A Bishop or a Queen would be a more logical next step, but we don't have any of those so a checkmate will have to do. Also,  at the lack of the fight. But I'm just impatient. 
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The king is gonna run out of money and the spell fencer is going to run off again ain't he... Does this guy get paid upfront, or does he have to leave without anything but his wounds each time the party beats him?
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The King would be a better king, if he wasn't so childish about Agnes being more loved and stuff.
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Alavaria posted:The king is gonna run out of money and the spell fencer is going to run off again ain't he... Greyarc said that the Grand Mill Works was the last dungeon of Chapter 1, so my guess is we finally get to kill the spell fencer and steal his asterisk.
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Epsilon Moonshade posted:A Bishop or a Queen would be a more logical next step, but we don't have any of those so a checkmate will have to do. Blademaster_Aio posted:The King would be a better king, if he wasn't so childish about Agnes being more loved and stuff.
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And while that motive is perfectly fine and makes sense, he's also ignore the fact that the crystals being broke has broken a lot of things and not trying to fix them without using the crystals. Really is a petulant brat 
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That is true. He's burning his bridges due to a perceived long-term problem (Crystalism and the vestals holding back the march of technology) while apparently burying his head in the sand and ignoring the real, short-term literal apocalypse (the Crystals' corruption shutting down essential functions of the world).
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Commander Keene posted:He's apparently one of those atheists who straight-up campaigns for the abolishment of all religions because they're "holding humanity back", rather than simply an attention whore. And a part of him is, "It's me who did this! Praise ME!" And also he threw a fit over Agnes restoring faith in the masses. This is after the lies he spread about her. It's fine if he wants to advance his nation, but he made his people suffer in the process, which is... unacceptable.
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Khamer is an idiot, for sure. He can't even figure out how to get his own kingdom running without the Crystals, and that's not even bringing up the matter of the ocean being uncrossable and crops likely unable to grow. And whatever the Fire Crystal being out of control is causing.
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Notice I said "rather than simply an attention whore". He's a politician, he wants the credit for what he accomplishes, don't get me wrong. But there's a bit more to him than just "the vestal is more popular than me! i must KILL HER AND DESTROY HER WHOLE RELIGION!".
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For this part of the game my assumption was that the Earth crystal going putrid is the source of the Great Chasm. Makes sense, the earth not working right causing the firmament beneath you to fall away.
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Commander Keene posted:Look, Tiz needs his bloodlust satisfied. He's already killed a Knight, obviously the next step up was a King. This Tiz fellow sounds like the kind of guy who would straight up shank a bitch for taking the last bread roll or something. I like him already 
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Commander Keene posted:Notice I said "rather than simply an attention whore". He's a politician, he wants the credit for what he accomplishes, don't get me wrong. But there's a bit more to him than just "the vestal is more popular than me! i must KILL HER AND DESTROY HER WHOLE RELIGION!". Yes there is more to him than that. But we're gonna kill him anyway.
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So far the detail that's made me smile most is that they remembered to give Agnes a seperate meal instead of the fish. Plenty of people will just say "fish isn't meat" and try to serve it to a vegetarian anyway.
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I mean, I suppose if you believe in the power of capitalism enough to shove your head through a clock, you have to believe that good old-fashioned shank-your-neighbor-to-stop-him-being-employee-of-the-month-for-a-dollar is going to outperform the apparently endless bounty of the crystals.
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Glazius posted:I mean, I suppose if you believe in the power of capitalism enough to shove your head through a clock, you have to believe that good old-fashioned shank-your-neighbor-to-stop-him-being-employee-of-the-month-for-a-dollar is going to outperform the apparently endless bounty of the crystals.
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To be fair, does he have any firsthand experience with the crystals? The vestals shut themselves away from the world and are never supposed to leave their abbey, after all. For all he knows the crystalists could be doing this themselves to try and trick the people into giving them power again, that's arguably what happened with Agnes.
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He knows Agnes, at least. And Agnes is, speaking in Edea's morality terms, pretty white. (Before we went and killed stuff with her). But we haven't met any of the other vestals so you can't say they're all like Agnes. It's just best to say, we don't know anything about them just yet because we're still in Agnes home turf.
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The best we can ascertain at this point is that the Vestal is a person to be feared/respectful of given the reaction of others to her title, even if she's a timid girl with public speaking issues and an inability to tell directions.
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After finishing the sequel I actually still don't know what effect the Earth crystal being corrupted had
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Soil decay, preventing crops from growing. Earthquakes might be a side effect as well.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:The best we can ascertain at this point is that the Vestal is a person to be feared/respectful of given the reaction of others to her title, even if she's a timid girl with public speaking issues and an inability to tell directions.
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Entry 27: Let's Be More Grounded Khamer intends to kill Agnès, and has hired Khint to help. Silly fellows, haven't they seen the party's Khint is similar to how he was before: hard-hitting.  Time Mage Khamer has a wide range of spells, from the evasion-boosting Veilga...  and the multi-target earth attack Quara to Stop. Stop is unchanged from Final Fantasy, stopping a party member from taking action for some turns.  It can make things deadly very quickly, so Khamer goes down first.  Shrieking to the last. Time to see what he drop-- Wait. Khint's still here.    ...And many's the coin I earned under the king's auspices. It's not in my nature, but I'm prepared to die for this one!If he insists.  I came into this fight underprepared, so my damage output is not great. Here's Agnès trying out a battle item.  And here's a surprise tutorial. You can switch your main and off-hands during combat from the item menu.  It doesn't take up a turn, so you can switch things around as often as you like. More slogging later:  Tiz has been waiting for this day.  Well, when you explicitly turn down your chance to escape... My goal is met. I've no reason to...earn another coin. No reason...Then he wasn't in it for limitless greed like Profiteur. Maybe someday we'll discover what he found worth dying for. The mid-battle scene changes depending on whether Khint or Khamer is killed first. If Khint had been first down:  The King would've panicked. Guess throwing money at people and treating them with condescension doesn't win many true friends. Moral of this chapter: If you want allies, don't be a rich jerk. Try to be an institutionalized holy figure instead.  Upside for us is finally getting our hands on Spell Fencer.  And, as a bonus, Time Mage! Time magic was the third spell type available in Ancheim's magic shop, shown back at the start of Chapter 1.   Agnès stole Khamer and Khint's spare weapons during the battle. Still in usable condition, unlike the ones wielded by the two men, which were apparently destroyed during the party's ferocious assault.  Khamer's bestiary page. If Ringabel thinks you're full of hot air, you know you're bad. The party apparently stays in the palace for hours. The next morning, the guards and other workers file in. The party explains to the prime minister why the king and another man's corpses are lying on the carpet, thoroughly electrocuted and stabbed.   It seems the people of Ancheim are once more in your debt, Lady Vestal. On their behalf, I thank you.I must assume the guards were tasked with taking Khint and Khamer's bodies away while custodians cleaned up the mess.   Where will the kingdom go from here? How will it function in the absence of its king? I will take up the mantle of governance for the time being, though that is no lasting solution. Ancheim will have to change. With luck, it will become a land led by its people, for the benefit of all.Changing a country's system of government is quite a complex undertaking. Normally there would be powerful people opposing such an abrupt change, but I guess the party killed all of them. What is certain is that it will ever be a welcome home to you and your companions, Lady Vestal. We will pray for your safe journey. Go, and bring your light to all the world. Overthrowing a monarchy is tiring work.  This guy just cares about being the Best Guard, no matter who's in charge.  Well, that was a smooth and easy transition of power with no scrutiny on the secret midnight battle to the death. Guess we're done here. After leaving Ancheim, Tiz and Edea switch over to the new jobs. I don't want to be imbalanced with the women being only fighters and the men magicians, so this round, Edea's going to take a turn with magic while Tiz switches to physical damage.  All's well that ends well. Agnès may not have become Queen of Thieves, but she did become queen of Anchiem's hearts and political authority. Let's go eat sweets, then it'll be on to Yulyana's to find out how to reach Florem.   We all need rest, my dear. Whatever we're to face next, let us do it with a full store of energy. Besides, I'm told exhaustion is murder on the skin. Think of your complexion! I... My what? Try to behave, Ringabel. You're upsetting the poor girl. Hmm, is that a hint of jealousy I detect? Perhaps it's you who's upset by--  I can think of no sadder creature in this world than a man unable to inspire a little jealousy. Eh, Tiz? Before Tiz can answer, Ringabel gets distracted.   He goes into the ship, shutting the door behind him. Do you suppose he's alright? Oh, leave him. A little seasickness will keep him quiet. Agnès, do you know the other vestals? In your speech, you mentioned working with them. ...... It is my hope that such a collaboration can be achieved, but I have yet to meet the vestals of earth or fire. I know only the water vestal, Olivia. I have since we were children, as our temples stand in neighboring kingdoms. Since we became vestals in full, we've exchanged no correspondence, but... I fear the rotting of the seas is proof enough that some ill has befallen the Water Crystal. The door to the ship reopens.   Hyaagh!  Uh-oh.   Nh...hnnngh...Healer's gone, another man's down, this isn't off to a good start. Vestal of the Wind Crystal, Agnès Oblige. Surrender at once, or see your companions slain. You... Dark Knight Alternis Dim! Who...? Can't blame him for taking a second to notice. That clock headgear would throw off anyone.  Come, I will see she makes no move. Quickly, to my side! Come away from the vestal! No, you keep away from him! What! What madness is this? You speak nonsense! I'm not her captive, and she poses no threat. I'm here of my own free will! What then? You've betrayed the duchy? Betrayed your father? Have you lost your mind, girl! I'm entirely sane. In fact, there's much I've only begun to see clearly now that I've gone traitor. No more of this! Edea, bind the vestal's hands. Do this now, and I'll forget all you've said here. Please... What new form of torment is this!? I cannot bear these games, Edea! Do not do this to me. Take one step closer to Agnès and I'll do a lot worse. This is my decision. I'll hold nothing back! ...You're certain, then? I'm certain. Silencing you would be a simple task, but one slip of my hand and even the flat of my blade would mean your end. I'm a poor hand at holding back. Then don't bother. I'm not the sort to be cowed by threats, Dim. Perhaps I get that from my father.  My mind is set. Stubborn girl! You're... Very well. I shall withdraw for now. But know this, vestal. You and your abettors are ever under our watch. What you aim to do runs counter to the flow of progress. You place mankind on the road to annihilation!He's using the same terms as Khamer, obviously from Eternian propoganda. And considering he used the word "torment" in a serious conversation about his feelings, I'm inclined to think "annihilation" is a tad melodramatic.   What did he just destroy?  Ahh! The skystone!Wait, the ultra-rare source of flight for the airship was kept on deck? Without protection? Who designed these things? Cool your head before we next meet, Edea. He's likely leaping onto the pier the boat is docked next to, but it's funnier to imagine him being so distracted by being dramatic and cool he leaps into the water in full body armor. Alternis!  [img]https://lpix.org/2703269/agnes_happy.png[img][/img] You're safe. That is all I ask. Luckily one of Tiz's traits is being inhumanly sturdy.   He's a member of the Council of Six. The Duchy of Eternia's highest governing body. And the six people sending an army after Agnès... Your tone was familiar. You were close? ...We grew up together. Just in the nick of time. Not to help stop the villain from destroying the transport, but to cut off the awkward conversation.   Hm? Did I miss something? You really are hopeless, Ringabel. Hm?After an explanation, Ringabel looks over the ship.  No good, I'm afraid. She won't budge an inch off the ground. Seems we're earthbound until we've another one of these skystone things. Mrgrgr... Blast that Alternis! And me for not seeing this coming!Still, without Edea there to protect Agnès and Tiz, the encounter would have ended much worse.  Well we can't sit and stew here. Hurry up and do something! If the ship's grounded, that leaves travel by foot. I suppose we'll have to try our luck with this forest and its miasma.Surely there's another route between the two continents.  Okay, then. Pretty jarring to have a plot where the events are:
  Desperate times...    But it's not...not so dire that we can't manage another step. It may be perhaps that the return of the winds has thinned out the miasma for us. Whatever the cause, we'd best take advantage of it. If we can pass, let us do so now.Chapter 1 Fin. Next time: a chapter full of terrible things and a deadly nature excursion. -- Event Viewer Main Scenario: A Respite on the Airship The Dark Knight Strikes Ties to the Dark Knight A Splintered Skystone The Miasma Woods Sub-Scenario: The Prime Minister's Vision D's Journal: Ringabel posted:pg.7: To relieve my churning stomach, I looked out across the Flor-Cheim Inner Sea from the pier. After retrieving a pretty shell I had spotted, I returned to find Agnès nursing Tiz on the bridge. The skystone was lying in pieces nearby. They said that moments after I left, a man in dark armor had burst in... D's Journal: Edea Lee posted:pg.4: While I got some air, we were boarded by the dark knight, a leader of the Eternian forces, who proceeded to smash the skystone. Tiz was knocked unconscious, and Agnès came close to capture until Edea intervened. It seems the dark knight is a member of the Council of Six that rules over the duchy, and a childhood friend of Edea... D's Journal: Khamer VIII posted:pg.5: Prime Minister Harena announced that King Eloch Quentis Khamer VIII of Ancheim had died after a sudden bout of illness. It seems the prime minister will oversee the government for the time being. Unfortunately for the late king, Ancheim now seemed more peaceful than ever... D's Journal: Prime Minister Harena posted:pg.3: We told Prime Minister Harena that the king of Ancheim, who plotted to expel the vestal, was actually slain time mage Khamer of the duchy. We asked what would become of Ancheim, and he told us he would take the helm, but eventually the power would shift to the people. He wished us luck on our travels, and told the vestal he eagerly awaited her return. D's Journal: Alternis the Dark Knight posted:
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D's Journal: Duchy of Eternia posted:Duchy Government: A kinsman of the kings who once ruled Eternia 2,000 years ago was chosen to rule the duchy as its archduke, but all administrative, judicial, scientific, and medical functions as well as the four divisions of Eternian forces are under the control of the Council of Six, the duchy's highest governing body. Greyarc fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Alternis reminds me of the Archadian Judges a bit with his armor design and high ranking in the Eternian Forces. And the echo to his voice, of course. I wonder if that was part of the inspiration for him. His DRK armor does look a bit different from, say, Cecil's.  I did not know Khamer was that old. And he acts like a petulant child. Goodness.
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Of course he had to show up when Ringabel went on his merry way. Seriously. The timings of villain sneak attacks are terrible, you know. Also, the time mage outfits are ugly. That head gear is really bad.
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I'm really curious to know just what Khint was satisfied with when he died. He said something about not running away this time, so maybe he had abandoned a previous monarchy before and he feels good he didn't run away this time? Looking forward to seeing Tiz and crew blaze it erryday in the miasma forest.
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As Hobgoblin2099 said:Hobgoblin2099 posted:Ciggma Khint is an anagram of Magic Knight, the class Spell Fencer is based on. But there's a bonus pun here! Although I'm not sure if it's intentional. Every time you face Khint, he's an addition to some other boss' party. Ciggma sounds a whole lot like Sigma, which is used to represent a sum.
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Blind Duke posted:After finishing the sequel I actually still don't know what effect the Earth crystal being corrupted had My impression was that all the crystals were corrupted at once, and the corruption of the Earth crystal was responsible for the collapse of Norende. But that's just a guess.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Of course he had to show up when Ringabel went on his merry way. Seriously. Now, the question is: very dumb plot contrivance, intentional on the part of Rinagbel or Dim, or truly a coincidence? I'm gonna go with number 1 for now.
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Epsilon Moonshade posted:As Hobgoblin2099 said: And on top of that spell blade adds affects to attacks, so another sum
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Greyarc posted:After leaving Ancheim, Tiz and Edea switch over to the new jobs. I don't want to be imbalanced with the women being only fighters and the men magicians, so this round, Edea's going to take a turn with magic while Tiz switches to physical damage. Greyarc posted:Wait, the ultra-rare source of flight for the airship was kept on deck? Without protection? Who designed these things? Hobgoblin2099 posted:I wonder if that was part of the inspiration for him. His DRK armor does look a bit different from, say, Cecil's. Hobgoblin2099 posted:
Blademaster_Aio posted:Of course he had to show up when Ringabel went on his merry way. Seriously. Yeah, some of the job gear in this game is hideous.
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Just started reading this thread. I got pretty far into the game, then stopped. So I'll be watching to see what I missed. I remember the next chapter being quite memorable.
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Just read through the whole thread, enjoying it so far. Definitely going to pick this up when I finish beating my current 3DS games.
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Commander Keene posted:I suppose how good or bad his sneak attack timing is depends upon which side of his blade you're on. hey girl you up posted:Yes, so strange that a new character would come by when the amnesiac is conveniently missing for an incredibly stupid reason. I guess he could be spying on us and waited for the fourth guy to leave before attacking us... maybe.
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For all the fuss they make, Miasma Woods is yet another dungeon whose gimmick is trivialized with the Freelancer's trap-immunity skill. I guess the wind's return actually is a p. sensible reason for it to now be passable, though?
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hey girl you up posted:Yes, so strange that a new character would come by when the amnesiac is conveniently missing for an incredibly stupid reason. Blademaster_Aio posted:I guess he could be spying on us and waited for the fourth guy to leave before attacking us... maybe. Just a note: we've already seen Dim in Eternia (presumably) while Ringabel was with the party in the Inner Sea (both before and after the cutaway to the villains).
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