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rudatron posted:Here's a better version: reading this poo poo reminds me of my gfs ex. all he would do is rant about women and minorities and he would get enraged if she wore a dress that showed shoulders much less neck. he was also sexually and emotionally abusive. also he was like 40 and didn't work. most of these people a just all around sacks of poo poo.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:reading this poo poo reminds me of my gfs ex. all he would do is rant about women and minorities and he would get enraged if she wore a dress that showed shoulders much less neck. he was also sexually and emotionally abusive. also he was like 40 and didn't work. most of these people a just all around sacks of poo poo. wow what part of the middle east was he from
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THC posted:wow what part of the middle east was he from he is waspy as gently caress.
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Apr 5, 2017 01:44
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You're telling me that disdain for women isn't the sole domain of lesser races? 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:reading this poo poo reminds me of my gfs ex. all he would do is rant about women and minorities and he would get enraged if she wore a dress that showed shoulders much less neck. he was also sexually and emotionally abusive. also he was like 40 and didn't work. most of these people a just all around sacks of poo poo. Why was a gay white man dating your girlfriend?
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Apr 5, 2017 02:39
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My hunch is that the reason the alt-right loves 'cuck', is because it plays into sexual insecurities & race. Embracing a hyper-aggressive and malicious politics, is a way to restore masculine 'sexual vitality', against the fantastical backdrop of the animalistic yet potent/virile Ethnic Other, and the alternative of perceived castration by 'Cultural Marxism'. Which makes I think the left obsession with marginal sexual identities and such a bit of a non starter, and counter productive when you're talking about gender politics as a whole. You have to present a realistic vision of a normal, functional relationship that the majority of people can aspire to. If the other guy is romanticizing the 50s nuclear family, and all you're talking about is polyamorous gay transsexuals, you're losing the public debate on gender, because you're not presenting something most people can actually identify with, nor care about.
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Apr 5, 2017 04:37
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That article kind of reminded me of this vice documentary about the women of the Men's Rights movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6dC0AQ25xU
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Apr 5, 2017 06:24
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rudatron posted:Which makes I think the left obsession with marginal sexual identities and such a bit of a non starter, and counter productive when you're talking about gender politics as a whole. You have to present a realistic vision of a normal, functional relationship that the majority of people can aspire to. I get that on the one hand the trans community is less than 1% of the population, and even the gay community is only about 10% of the population, but the thing is if you're not willing to talk about marginalized identities in some capacity they tend to slip by the wayside. Its good to remember those identities exist and to talk about them publicly. But I can also see the concern that the larger issues of the genders 99% of Americans identify with can get a little lost in progressive circles. I think thats just the nature of the internet though. People think alternate identities are way more common than they are because their online communities have way more of those identities in them.
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Apr 5, 2017 06:33
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rudatron posted:My hunch is that the reason the alt-right loves 'cuck', is because it plays into sexual insecurities & race.  any time i pretty much hear that word used unironically i pretty much just assume whoever is using it is a sad little insecure person 
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Apr 5, 2017 12:38
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Not a Step posted:the gay community is only about 10% of the population. lol, wut? Try around, MAYBE, 3%. Unless you're counting people who fall onto the LGBTIA spectrum in which case everyone.
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Apr 5, 2017 13:24
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Women who openly advocate a role of submission and lack of choice just super baffle me. Its one thing if you were born into it and stuck, but to openly advocate for it. Like as a man I can't imagine advocating for ideologues that say I'm intrinsically less worthwhile and should have no political voice. I'm not even sure what they're getting out of it.
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Apr 5, 2017 13:42
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Why do poor people vote republican? Not everything in life is about pure, unfettered, ayn randian self interest.
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Apr 5, 2017 13:44
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When folks think about "how the world ought to be" isn't it more noble to think of a society in which whoever is thinking about it isn't the top dog? Sacrificing the individual for the whole is a value we've lost as a civilization.
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Its insane to you millennials to not think in terms of pure ayn randian "how do i maximize what I get and minimize everyone else". ITs a real shame that objectivism has infected the body politic to such an extent.
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Apr 5, 2017 13:47
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eh. selflessness isnt really considered a virtue now, more an exploitable liability not too many people are going to survive being harvested for whatever they can be taken for and still maintain a charitable attitude
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Apr 5, 2017 13:53
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Baloogan posted:Its insane to you millennials to not think in terms of pure ayn randian "how do i maximize what I get and minimize everyone else". ITs a real shame that objectivism has infected the body politic to such an extent. "How can anyone support anything that is against their self-interest?"
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the idea that poor people are often resentful of poorer people getting more benefits seems to spring to mind.
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Apr 5, 2017 13:58
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Thundercracker posted:Women who openly advocate a role of submission and lack of choice just super baffle me. Its one thing if you were born into it and stuck, but to openly advocate for it. You shouldn't think of it as a lack of choice, but the choice to be liberated from responsibility.
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Apr 5, 2017 14:26
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The people in the US that are 'voting against their interests' are doing it out of spite, not adherence to a community ideal, or any kind of high-minded selflessness. And spite is something ayn rand would be super okay with.
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Why are you voting for someone who believes the same things as you? Don't you know that the other guy has drastically different beliefs and wants a slightly higher minimum wage? Stupid spite voter.
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Apr 5, 2017 15:05
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Baloogan posted:Why do poor people vote republican? I wouldn't call not wanting to be a second class citizen ayn randian self interest, just common sense. I'll happily vote for things that uplift other people who are not me, but not at my expense. That seems logical and coherent to me, and not particularly objectivist.
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I dont mind paying for it, I started off with nothing and if i hadnt have gotten some help along the way i might have never gotten as far as i have, hell you want me to pay 40% adjusted rate to make sure that everyone has healthcare and education? Gotta start somewhere, just because I PERSONALLY didn't get it im not going to be some FYGM motherfucker.
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https://twitter.com/meakoopa/status/849499190426259457
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rudatron posted:The people in the US that are 'voting against their interests' are doing it out of spite, not adherence to a community ideal, or any kind of high-minded selflessness. And spite is something ayn rand would be super okay with. *blows bubbles out of pipe* Imho it's not spite so much as the unspoken promise between capital and the white working class that loving over minorities will benefit them financially and socially. Pretty much from the get go when America was first founded as disparate colonies the promise was that poorer whites would be the shock troops of capital, which would share the spoils of plunder from, at first, native Americans with them. This promise was overt and moved then on to other exploited groups (African-American slaves etc). Later on, in light of the civil rights struggle the promise turned implicit, unspoken, but it was still understood that even the lowliest whites would benefit from minorities being hosed over (guaranteed spots in the labor force, social status etc) This promise has all but vanished (ie loving over minorities only marginally benefits the white working class now compared to earlier) as the dynamics have shifted but due to the unspoken nature of it as well as the society-wide social conditioning it has had working class whites still cling to the idea that if only they poo poo on minorities harder, things will go back to how they were Basically they still see capital as their lover, but whereas they used to poo poo on minorities together, they're now being, uh, cucked by minorities. Hence why they differentiate between "good" and "bad" companies, where good ones hint at upholding the old dynamic, whereas bad ones have abandoned even the pretense So, in their minds it doesn't work out as their fate being shared with minorities, but diametrically opposed. Because it used to be like that (and still is to some extent i.e. peep the dynamics of the war on drugs) so as far as they are concerned they're voting for that dynamic to come back (it won't) But that's just imho *blows more bubbles*
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And one baconator and a bepis
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https://twitter.com/nasboat/status/849642439417765889 It's a good thing her very real (and possibly black) friend went and cleared things up for us
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"pt. 2/19" is what slays me. I am dead, brutally murdered, at the feet of "pt. 2/19".
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/nasboat/status/849642439417765889 "Someone else" telling people on social media what's happening with the user is becoming one of my favorite things.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:10
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Part two out of nineteen. e;fb
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When you wanna talk about not getting your dick sucked and it turns into a Minecraft let's play
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The Brown Menace posted:When you wanna talk about not getting your dick sucked and it turns into a Minecraft let's play 
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mysterious frankie posted:"pt. 2/19" is what slays me. I am dead, brutally murdered, at the feet of "pt. 2/19". It pairs beautifully with "24:12"
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Party Boat posted:It pairs beautifully with "24:12" I'm just doing the math here on my windows calculator app and, let's see... 19 times 24 and... hmm, it says here the answer is "why is humanity using us to drive itself insane?" and, yup, my computer has now deliberately overheated itself to escape this hellish reality.
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Despite having been written forty years ago Christopher Lasch's "The Culture of Narcissism" has a lot to say about the contemporary alt-right. I think this passage is particularly relevant to the discussion of why a woman might yearn for a return to traditional patriarchal values or why the NEET generation in particular is attracted to the imagery of totalitarian ideologies:Christopher Lasch, The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in An Age of Diminishing Expectations posted:Imprisoned in his pseudo-awareness of himself, the new Narcissus would gladly take refuge in an idée fixe, a neurotic compulsion, a "magnificent obsession"--anything to get his mind off his own mind. Even unreflecting acquiescence in the daily grind, as the possibility of achieving it recedes into the historical distance, comes to seem like an almost enviable state of mind. It is a tribute to the peculiar horror of contemporary life that it makes the worst features of earlier times--the stupefaction of the masses, the obsessed and driven lives of the bourgeoisie--seem attractive by comparison. The nineteenth-century capitalist, compulsively industrious in the attempt to deliver himself from temptation, suffered torments inflicted by inner demons. Contemporary man, tortured on the other hand by self-consciousness, turns to new cults and therapies not to free himself from obsessions but to find meaning and purpose in life, to find something to live for, precisely to embrace an obsession, if only the passion maitresse of therapy itself. He would willingly exchange his self-consciousness for oblivion and his freedom to create new roles for some form of external dictation, the more arbitrary the better. The hero of a recent novel renounces free choice and lives according to the dictation of dice: "I established in my mind at that moment and for all time, the never questioned principle that what the dice dictates, I will perform." Men used to rail against the irony of fate; now they prefer it to the irony of unceasing self-consciousness. Whereas earlier ages sought to substitute reason for arbitrary dictation both from without and within, the twentieth century finds reason, in the debased contemporary form of ironic self-consciousness, a harsh master; it seeks to revive earlier forms of enslavement. The prison life of the past looks in our own time like liberation itself. For many people the idea of demolishing every form of hierarchy or replacing all arbitrarily assigned roles with personal decisions and choices - right down to choosing your own gender or being expected to be a self-made person in an extremely precarious economy - is intensely frightening. Assuming that everyone who joins the alt-right secretly expects to be part of the new master-class in society is mistaken. I think many people just want a stable set of values to orient themselves around and to lose themselves within, because the expectations of contemporary individualism weigh heavily on the growing number of losers in society.
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spacetoaster posted:lol, wut? Try around, MAYBE, 3%. Hoisted by my own petard. I couldn't remember the exact % so I pulled one I thought was reasonable out of a hat, probably influenced upwards by the number of gay people that I personally know. sneakyfrog posted:the idea that poor people are often resentful of poorer people getting more benefits seems to spring to mind. Pride is the last coin in an otherwise empty purse.
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I gotta be honest, I kinda get it. If my wife came up to me and was like "hey, wear a butler uniform and cook and clean- and, you know, basically act like my upscale prewar mitteleuropa valet- and I will make reality stop working the way it actually works" it's like a day to day coin flip if I would just be like "yeah, ok, I choose to believe this." Sometimes I'm like reading about cults and I go "Hm, could I believe this fool? Sucking a fake Jesus off in his compound is deffo preferable to knowing what is actually happening right now." Hell, the other week, when I was leaving the DSA meeting, I almost grabbed the Trot selling newspapers out front and screamed "TAKE ME WITH YOU!" Delusional, self injuring behavior makes a lot of sense in 2017. EDIT: this was in reference to alt right ladies lining up to go back in time to the fake 50s. mysterious frankie has issued a correction as of 18:07 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Not a Step posted:Pride is the last coin in an otherwise empty purse. if all you got in your purse is pride, then motherfuckers should be talking a whole lot less. my mom is like that and its absolutely infuriating.
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rudatron posted:The people in the US that are 'voting against their interests' are doing it out of spite, not adherence to a community ideal, or any kind of high-minded selflessness. And spite is something ayn rand would be super okay with. Just because you're that way doesn't mean everyone else is. 
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I think a significant part that gets missed is how the alt-right neatly gives failures like that anti-feminist Youtuber an external reason why they're not as personally or professionally successful as they think they should be. I think that's why it has such a disturbing parallel with Nazism, since a big part of the draw of Nazism was that it offered an explanation for how the German people were the best in the world, but could simultaneously lose WWI and have to submit to the humiliating terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It's not surprising that these people turn away from left-leaning politics, which are broadly underpinned by a belief in egalitarian opportunity, towards politics that explain how, with a playing field actually stacked in their favor, they are still unsuccessful. It really alleviates the cognitive dissonance that must form when they're less successful than their parents, but grew up being told just how smart and special they are, and instead of looking inwards, doing some real soul searching, and then committing to change, they latch on to the first ideology that explains why it's not their fault.
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