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PJOmega posted:So glad I tossed together UR Zombies. Its rotation, expect nothing to live past rotation.
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mandatory lesbian posted:am i seeing this right, was Rapid Decay really a rare, what the heck Urza's Destiny was strange! We had a rare sorcery blinker spell, donate, Yawgmoth's Bargain and carnival of souls! Good times!
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Sickening posted:Its rotation, expect nothing to live past rotation. It isn't rotation tho, simply adding to the pile.
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Apr 5, 2017 20:33
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YggdrasilTM posted:Urza's Destiny was strange! We had a rare sorcery blinker spell, donate, Yawgmoth's Bargain and carnival of souls! Good times! To be fair, Flicker was the first, well, flicker effect in the history of Magic: The Gathering! Also Rapid Decay was sporadically playable in Extended and Legacy for a surprisingly long time as a maindeckable piece of gy hate
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Apr 5, 2017 20:33
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PJOmega posted:It isn't rotation tho, simply adding to the pile. Sorry , meant new set. You can't even expect decks to survive new sets these days.
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Apr 5, 2017 20:34
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Mardu Vehicles didn't even make it through a set before losing almost all of its vehicles.
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Apr 5, 2017 20:36
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Real question is, why is there only one creature with Cycling? I want to pretend Living End decks are a real thing. 
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Apr 5, 2017 20:37
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Real question is, why is there only one creature with Cycling? Because until now we saw only 27 creatures, and only 8 were black or blue.
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Apr 5, 2017 20:42
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YggdrasilTM posted:Because until now we saw only 27 creatures, and only 8 were black or blue. Then I've gotta hold on to hope...!
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Apr 5, 2017 20:43
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Entropic posted:I don't think Red actually got a 1R 2/2 with no downside until Falkenrath Reaver in Eldritch Moon just last year. Lore Seeker!!!!
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Apr 5, 2017 20:48
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Pontius Pilate posted:Lore Seeker!!!! And it's also a great upside, too!
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Apr 5, 2017 20:51
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Does anyone know why people are talking about banning Street Wraith, of all things?
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Apr 5, 2017 20:54
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suicidesteve posted:Does anyone know why people are talking about banning Street Wraith, of all things? Because its ability doesn't have a mana cost. Just more irrational nonsense.
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Apr 5, 2017 20:58
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Then I've gotta hold on to hope...! Nah man, don't let only seeing like 30 cards in a set stop you from getting all mad about it
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Apr 5, 2017 21:00
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Sickening posted:Because its ability doesn't have a mana cost. Just more irrational nonsense. I see people talking about Street Wraith and Bauble and not like, the 1 mana 10/10 that they enable or the 1 mana mostly-Demonic Tutor. Or maybe just don't ban anything and give the format some to figure it out. This isn't exactly Eldrazi levels of dominance from what I've seen.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:03
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suicidesteve posted:I see people talking about Street Wraith and Bauble and not like, the 1 mana 10/10 that they enable or the 1 mana mostly-Demonic Tutor. Or maybe just don't ban anything and give the format some to figure it out. This isn't exactly Eldrazi levels of dominance from what I've seen. Its definitely not eldrazi winter all over again. Deck lists are going to need to change and people aren't happy about it. People got too use to jund and grixis being mediocre decks and are unhappy about whatever they are playing getting worse.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:04
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It's the best deck (or archetype at this point), not the sole deck + handful of decks built to beat it.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:07
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Rinkles posted:It's the best deck (or archetype at this point), not the sole deck + handful of decks built to beat it. Completely true, and apparently it's unreasonable to expect magic players to understand this. Although I haven't seen too much whining about it compared to something like eldrazi but I also haven't been looking.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:10
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Real question is, why is there only one creature with Cycling? It'll be real funny to me if the set that bring back cycling ends up mostly benefiting Living End through an completely unrelated rules change about split cards.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Nah man, don't let only seeing like 30 cards in a set stop you from getting all mad about it I don't get mad, I get despondent. 
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RIP to temples and Mindalaver, hello to Emrakul and fast lands. I like the changes overall, but will miss attrition and Mindslaver. Seems they're taking red aggro down a peg as well, so overall more combo/synergy friendly. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/legacy-uphold-2017-03-30
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Cactrot posted:I mean, this totally signals a Heroes Downfall reprint, right guys? eh? guys? This is WOTC we're discussing here. At best we might get an "Exile target emblem" spell to keep things balanced. Sorcery speed of course, we wouldn't want anyone to "feel bad" about not getting to play with their card.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:This is WOTC we're discussing here. At best we might get an "Exile target emblem" spell to keep things balanced. That's something they specifically don't want. Emblems are game objects because it makes the effect easier to remember, not because they want them to be potentially interactable. It's why Knight-Errant was changed.  
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Rinkles posted:That's something they specifically don't want. Emblems are game objects because it makes the effect easier to remember, not because they want them to be potentially interactable. It's why Knight-Errant was changed. Also only planeswalkers can give them, to make them more special or whatever. Poor Stigma Lasher.
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Elyv posted:Poor Stigma Lasher. There's a card that I wish was playable.
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The new Gideon doesn't seem great. Its first two abilities make it like a creature that can block and attack mostly, albeit efficiently. But there's the tradeoff that he dies for no value to your opponent's board if you don't leave enough blockers back, or if they get ahead on-board. That's awkward for a card purely dedicated to damage racing. The third ability is pretty marginal. In a lot of cases your opponent will kill your planeswalkers before going for you anyway. Even if it's a situation where they'd want to go after you you're basically just gaining 3 life +1 for each time you use his first ability. It's nothing like plat angel because plat angel will stall forever against a dominant board if your opponent can't kill it. Gideon will just die to their board along with you. He's weird because you can leave him on the board forever with no real consequence, unlike almost all other planeswalkers that give your opponent value over time and/or build up to a game winning ult. He's basically just gaining your opponent 1 life per turn on a stalled board, assuming you don't have a way to kill him outright. Maybe it's good just as a general beater in some decks.
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suicidesteve posted:Does anyone know why people are talking about banning Street Wraith, of all things? Because it's terrible design and is basically the same thing as Probe which was banned. I think it's definitely getting banned.
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An indestructible 4/4 for 3 doesn't seem too bad.
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mcmagic posted:Because it's terrible design and is basically the same thing as Probe which was banned. I think it's definitely getting banned. Basically the same thing as probe? You are on a roll today.
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mcmagic posted:Because it's terrible design and is basically the same thing as Probe which was banned. I think it's definitely getting banned. Probe gave the option of not paying life to cycle while also getting complete information. That's a huge leap over street wraith.
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Sickening posted:Basically the same thing as probe? You are on a roll today. It's playing the same roll in modern right now. A free way to deal yourself damage and get cards in the yard and get delirium. It's definitely getting banned. Fingers McLongDong posted:Probe gave the option of not paying life to cycle while also getting complete information. That's a huge leap over street wraith. True but that wasn't the way Probe was being used before it was banned.
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Siivola posted:An indestructible 4/4 for 3 doesn't seem too bad.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Sure. But an 'indestructible' 4/4 that's going to die for no value to a HoK a reasonable amount of the time seems less good. It blanks their HoK while also crewing your HoK.
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mcmagic posted:It's playing the same roll in modern right now. A free way to deal yourself damage and get cards in the yard and get delirium. It's definitely getting banned. Its not getting banned. Probe did not get banned because of the suicide deck. It got banned because of infect. There are so many other cards that are going to get banned before street wraith.
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I changed my post since I realized its a bit better at stopping vehicles than I thought. But it can't do both of those things at the same time.
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Uh, it can only do one of those things at a time. Also, nothing is stopping them from killing Gideon with their other creatures.
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mcmagic posted:True but that wasn't the way Probe was being used before it was banned. That's exactly how it was used because that's what it does? Granted DS decks were paying blue and it was enabling consistent turn 3 kills but that only worked because both it and wraith existed together. Seeing an opponent's hand was immensely useful in both infect and shadow and infect could actually pay U for it. Sickening posted:Its not getting banned. Probe did not get banned because of the suicide deck. It got banned because of infect. There are so many other cards that are going to get banned before street wraith. I'd argue it got banned because of shadow but only because infect was simultaneously so good. One deck abusing probe was borderline ok, 2 was definitely not. But yeah, basically agree with you. Fingers McLongDong fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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mcmagic posted:True but that wasn't the way Probe was being used before it was banned. Complete information was a big deal in the decks probe was best in. Knowing you could do your Become Immense and/or TBR in your Suicide Zoo/Infect/Kiln Fiend deck safely was a big deal.
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mcmagic posted:It's playing the same roll in modern right now. A free way to deal yourself damage and get cards in the yard and get delirium. It's definitely getting banned. so infect not being a tier-one deck anymore is simply because they have to pay 1 extra mana for become immense?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I changed my post since I realized its a bit better at stopping vehicles than I thought. But it can't do both of those things at the same time. Yes it can....It can go +1 to control the opponents heart of Kiran and then you can remove the counter to pilot your own.
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