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big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party
i wonder what would happen if she had to get an iv drip

https://my.mixtape.moe/utvehh.mp4

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Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

In other words if you get sick in China you should go see a veterinarian, not a doctor.

Jimmy Little Balls
Aug 23, 2009
I've told this story before but I'll tell it again. I had part of my intestines removed years back and now need vitamin B12 injections every few months. When I first got here no one would sell me a syringe so I went to a hospital to get them to do my injection for me. I got sent to see the gynecologist (I'm male) who didn't know what vitamins are.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Haier posted:

I also realized something about the Chinese healthcare system...



Meanwhile my nong grandfather in law is getting actual western-style chemotherapy for his lung cancer.

(He started smoking around the Great Leap Forward because his attitude after that was "gently caress everything")

Jimmy Little Balls
Aug 23, 2009
Oh, and the room the gynecologist was in had a woman with her legs wide open on the bed and people were just wandering in and out, with some old ladies standing there staring.

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

big time bisexual posted:

i wonder what would happen if she had to get an iv drip

https://my.mixtape.moe/utvehh.mp4

the person limply holding her inner arm is her husband/boyfriend, they are wearing hideous matching clothes.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Anyone have any idea what the real deal is with China hiring the company formerly known as blackwater? I thought they were doing just fine handling their Uighur massacring in house.

Heer98
Apr 10, 2009
Erik Prince was mad that the US Government wouldn't hire him to be an adventurer anymore, so he made a company that runs support and security services for the Chinese in the "fun" parts of Africa.

IIRC, at least one former US military officer who signed onto he board resigned in disgust when he realized the company he had just joined was taking money from the Chinese foreign intelligence service to help them empire build in Africa.

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

Три полоски,
три по три полоски

TsarZiedonis posted:

Erik Prince was mad that the US Government wouldn't hire him to be an adventurer anymore, so he made a company that runs support and security services for the Chinese in the "fun" parts of Africa.

IIRC, at least one former US military officer who signed onto he board resigned in disgust when he realized the company he had just joined was taking money from the Chinese foreign intelligence service to help them empire build in Africa.

It's more than that. He wanted to build a private airforce. A long but insane read.
https://static.theintercept.com/amp/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-drive-to-build-private-air-force.html

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse


Check em

zoux posted:



Also that Russian carrier isn't so much a warship as a mobile black-smoke-cloud factory. The Chinese one I think is just an immobile training platform, and, correct me if I'm wrong, only the US has catapult-launching carriers. Everyone else has skijumps.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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It's also a hilarious waste of money for countries like China to build aircraft carriers because the USA, Japan, France, and the UK are the only major powers in a geographic position where they'd be useful. Chinese carriers would be boxed into the first island chain with the rest of the PLAN and at that point you might as well just launch from land.

Countries like Russia and China spend billions of dollars on loving nothing just so that they can say they have a carrier

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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And now that China's carrier and coming carrier have been outed as useless pieces of poo poo they're going to throw even more money down the hole trying to build one that looks like it has EMALS just like the Gerald Ford class

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 5, 2017

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

You can get EMALS on your phone now. You don't need a fukkin aircraft carrier lmao.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Please tell me the Brazilian carrier is crewed entirely by favela kids in flip-flops

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

webmeister posted:

Please tell me the Brazilian carrier is crewed entirely by favela kids in flip-flops

It's being decommissioned.

Which also means Argentina's carrierless naval air arm will need to find a new training space. Falklands War 2 is gonna be hilarious.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

P-Mack posted:

It's being decommissioned.

Aww. I guess that would make the Brazilians .. airless

:downsrim:

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
China used to have an aircraft carrier they bought from Russia or Belarus called the Minsk, it was an amusement park/museum in Shenzhen and was really badass.

Most of the stuff in the control room was picked clean but I managed to snag a piece of wire from the communications room as a souvenir.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010


Just got this on my FB feed. Those benefits sound like a pretty sweet deal. And look at the beautiful scenery!

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
Also, if your carrier isn't CATOBAR, then it's a stupid/useless piece of poo poo. France and the US are the only ones that have that now that Brazil has decommissioned theirs. If you don't have CATOBAR, then every mission either is extremely limited in range/useful payload, or you have to use land-based air refuelling assets to not remake operation "Black Buck" every time you take off.

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer
I'm actually kind of shocked at Italy has two. That is not the country that comes to mind when I think of advanced mechanical/computer systems.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Devils Affricate posted:



Just got this on my FB feed. Those benefits sound like a pretty sweet deal. And look at the beautiful scenery!

EF in China isn't a bad deal if you're looking for something completely different or have no idea what you want to do in life. they take care of you and the schedule isn't too demanding. there's a few negatives but really not that many.

my best friend in china for a few years was a guy from liverpool who had just gotten a divorce and was super angry and pissed off and was like "gently caress everything" and he saw an ad like this and moved to china and now he has a good job in shanghai and is dating a cute american girl, so i'd say it worked out well for him

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

bongwizzard posted:

I'm actually kind of shocked at Italy has two. That is not the country that comes to mind when I think of advanced mechanical/computer systems.

They're did a shitload of strikes from them with Harriers during OEF, and but that's pretty much "best case scenario" for Harrier Operations, since their bows were almost touching land for most of them.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:
https://twitter.com/SixthTone/status/849766176691556352

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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got my research phd in ghost sciences

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
To be fair--and let me just fix my Tom Clancy memorial baseball cap firmly in place here--China needs all the help it can get when it comes to power projection. The carriers are a part of that strategy that (and these two things are definitely going to be important internally as well as externally) lets them join the international Big Kids Club of carrier-havers, and lets the PLAN play a bigger role in both national prestige and in actually being part of defense plans. All those years of being the redheaded stepchild of the Chinese military are over, baby! China's building a real navy!

And in actual military terms, China is using multiple strategies here to solve a very simple problem: most of the PLAAF doesn't have the range to fight in the places China at least wants to be able to fight. The older designs (advanced modernizations of '60s Russian fighters, if you care) don't have the range to reach Taiwan, fight, and come back, let alone fly around the SCS. Their newer fighters have more range, so they're building more of those. They're building airfields in the middle of the ocean so their planes have new bases. They're building aerial refueling tankers, which they haven't had very many of until now, to extend the range of their missions. And yeah, they're building carriers, so they'll be able to send a carrier battle group to patrol or reinforce an area.

And a lot of this is important for them to do now because right now they don't have a lot of people who actually know what they're doing with this stuff, and there's no substitute for hands-on training and experience. And the USN sure isn't going to help them learn.

Incidentally, in other Asia navy news: Taiwan has announced it's going to build 8 new submarines of an indigenous design.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
this ban doesn't stand a ghost of a chance of being obeyed

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.


If a Tibetan made this argument about any one of the many elements of Tibetan culture and religion China still bans, they would be instantly convicted of separatism and tortured to death before any of us could hear about it.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

If a Tibetan made this argument about any one of the many elements of Tibetan culture and religion China still bans, they would be instantly convicted of separatism and tortured to death before any of us could hear about it.

Please respect the sovereignty of China's affairs.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Pirate Radar posted:

Incidentally, in other Asia navy news: Taiwan has announced it's going to build 8 new submarines of an indigenous design.

Looking forward to seeing the maiden voyage of ROCS Tai Ke

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Pirate Radar posted:

And in actual military terms, China is using multiple strategies here to solve a very simple problem: most of the PLAAF doesn't have the range to fight in the places China at least wants to be able to fight. The older designs (advanced modernizations of '60s Russian fighters, if you care) don't have the range to reach Taiwan, fight, and come back, let alone fly around the SCS. Their newer fighters have more range, so they're building more of those. They're building airfields in the middle of the ocean so their planes have new bases. They're building aerial refueling tankers, which they haven't had very many of until now, to extend the range of their missions. And yeah, they're building carriers, so they'll be able to send a carrier battle group to patrol or reinforce an area.

This needs to be spoken of in relative terms because when people hear phrases like "The PLAN/PLAAF increasing its operating range" they often think of US tier operating range which China is never going to possess. In this case "increased range" means "they can reach islands literally off their coast and they couldn't before"

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Fojar38 posted:

This needs to be spoken of in relative terms because when people hear phrases like "The PLAN/PLAAF increasing its operating range" they often think of US tier operating range which China is never going to possess. In this case "increased range" means "they can reach islands literally off their coast and they couldn't before"

Yeah, I should have said: this is all still in the context of being able to operate even a few hundred kilometers away from the mainland

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Fojar38 posted:

This needs to be spoken of in relative terms because when people hear phrases like "The PLAN/PLAAF increasing its operating range" they often think of US tier operating range which China is never going to possess. In this case "increased range" means "they can reach islands literally off their coast and they couldn't before"

Pretty much this. Their ski-jump carriers are not going to be allowing them to project power on distant shores or dominate Korean/Japanese airspace.

China's "static aircraft carriers" (strips on reclaimed land) are going to be the main focus of their air sovereignty in the SCS. Not necessarily because they can operate aircraft from them, but because they have (or will soon have) long-range SAM sites located on them. Chinese Naval airpower really only intimidates countries like Vietnam/The Philippines who have nothing to send up to meet the PLAN aircraft. Everyone else who might operate in the area (Korea/Japan/USN/USAF) are really only worried about the SAMS they have. China's carrier air wings are for the foreseeable future "made for internal consumption", in that they are to impress their citizens and slowly build up a knowledge base that they have little of and the US has had since the 1930's (mainly how to operate aircraft at sea).

Right now I think their longest-range and best missile is the HQ-9 (similar to the S-300) which can reach out to approx 200km. If they have a decent enough ring of islands that have these mounted, they can effectively control the air in the SCS. Then again, this is all assuming that Uncle Xi is willing to outright say, "we totally own this now, anyone who enters is going to be shot" and willing to back it up. The problem with having these systems mounted on static islands is that they're really easy to hit with cruise missiles since they can't really evade.

Personally, I don't think that China is ready (or willing) to take a step beyond what they are currently doing (which is basically mild harassment) when it comes to foreign civilian and military aircraft.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Is it reverse racist when Koreans see me on the street and pull open their eyes wide while pointing?

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Pirate Radar posted:

To be fair--and let me just fix my Tom Clancy memorial baseball cap firmly in place here--China needs all the help it can get when it comes to power projection. The carriers are a part of that strategy that (and these two things are definitely going to be important internally as well as externally) lets them join the international Big Kids Club of carrier-havers, and lets the PLAN play a bigger role in both national prestige and in actually being part of defense plans. All those years of being the redheaded stepchild of the Chinese military are over, baby! China's building a real navy!

And in actual military terms, China is using multiple strategies here to solve a very simple problem: most of the PLAAF doesn't have the range to fight in the places China at least wants to be able to fight. The older designs (advanced modernizations of '60s Russian fighters, if you care) don't have the range to reach Taiwan, fight, and come back, let alone fly around the SCS. Their newer fighters have more range, so they're building more of those. They're building airfields in the middle of the ocean so their planes have new bases. They're building aerial refueling tankers, which they haven't had very many of until now, to extend the range of their missions. And yeah, they're building carriers, so they'll be able to send a carrier battle group to patrol or reinforce an area.

And a lot of this is important for them to do now because right now they don't have a lot of people who actually know what they're doing with this stuff, and there's no substitute for hands-on training and experience. And the USN sure isn't going to help them learn.

Incidentally, in other Asia navy news: Taiwan has announced it's going to build 8 new submarines of an indigenous design.

I remember reading something years ago about how one of China's aircraft carrier problems was that the US has literally generations of carrier pilots and have been able to do a really good job with training, but China has to start from scratch, or trying to learn from the Russians.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Fauxtool posted:

Is it reverse racist when Koreans see me on the street and pull open their eyes wide while pointing?
it depends on the power dynamics at play. if you're a minority in Korea then it is just pure racism

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

The Great Autismo! posted:

it depends on the power dynamics at play. if you're a minority in Korea then it is just pure racism normal

ftfy

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



hakimashou posted:

I remember reading something years ago about how one of China's aircraft carrier problems was that the US has literally generations of carrier pilots and have been able to do a really good job with training, but China has to start from scratch, or trying to learn from the Russians.

Yeah, that's one of the effects (and probably a reason) of America being at war basically nonstop for 70 years. We have generations of war-tested experience at the helm of every major detachment, all of whom were trained by people with decades of war-tested experience. I can't confirm this, but I remember reading somewhere that Japan actually has a really good navy too because they're one of the only countries who consistently does war-drills with the American fleets.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

hakimashou posted:

I remember reading something years ago about how one of China's aircraft carrier problems was that the US has literally generations of carrier pilots and have been able to do a really good job with training, but China has to start from scratch, or trying to learn from the Russians.

Yeah, though this is true about literally everything to do with any military.

It's one thing to have people who know what they're doing on paper and another to have people who have done it. China is starting to expand its capabilities, and part of that is going to mean a lot of training exercises on sailing in a battle group, flying aircraft off carriers, refueling aircraft in flight, etc etc.

Expect to read lots of stories about PLAN training exercises in the SCS.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

bongwizzard posted:

I'm actually kind of shocked at Italy has two. That is not the country that comes to mind when I think of advanced mechanical/computer systems.

It should though. It might have a corrupt revolving door clown car of idiot politicians but (northern) Italy is one of the world's great high end manufacturing and design power houses.

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WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Collateral Damage posted:

In other words if you get sick in China you should go see a veterinarian, not a doctor.

So it's basically Ankh Morpork before Sam Vimes Jr was born?

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