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Chalks posted:In a game where much of the writing has been criticised for being poor, it would be surprising if this were not the case. Also, presumably if they'd included zero characters with this trait nobody would have batted an eyelid so I'm not sure what the message is here. "Get better at everything overall wrt writing in your games people only play for the story." As far as Hainly goes besides the clumsy reveal she's...fine. I would rather have her than not. I hope the take away is to include more and better--Hainly is literally a quest giving terminal as far as a character goes and look how much attention she got. I hope they treat it as an opportunity to grow and her new dialogue makes people happy.
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In the meantime, I feel I must ask this. Anything in 2 onwards that resembles Noveria from ME1? Because the gist of that place was extremely my poo poo, what with "skirt legality but don't go into business for yourself" thing.
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widespread posted:In the meantime, I feel I must ask this. Anything in 2 onwards that resembles Noveria from ME1? Because the gist of that place was extremely my poo poo, what with "skirt legality but don't go into business for yourself" thing. Illium in ME2 was a lot like that, if I'm getting your meaning.
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Taear posted:You are right!! Sorry. I was at work and couldn't look it up to verify. I'm a bit of a Pratchett nerd.
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Tiny Deer posted:"Get better at everything overall wrt writing in your games people only play for the story." Yeah, if they spent another 6 months on QA and polish the entire quality of the game would be improved, this character included, but I don't think picking on her in particular does anything helpful and perhaps sends the wrong message to any developers that are on the fence about including more diversity in their games.
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Chalks posted:Yeah, if they spent another 6 months on QA and polish the entire quality of the game would be improved, this character included, but I don't think picking on her in particular does anything helpful and perhaps sends the wrong message to any developers that are on the fence about including more diversity in their games. yeah that part concerns me
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 this gamedid the movie night and peebee and suvi occupied the same space at the end, with no ryder character model anywhere
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Chalks posted:Yeah, if they spent another 6 months on QA and polish the entire quality of the game would be improved, this character included, but I don't think picking on her in particular does anything helpful and perhaps sends the wrong message to any developers that are on the fence about including more diversity in their games. Developers aren't babies, if mild pushback like this is what stops them putting transgender characters in their games then they've got bigger issues. In the meantime, Bioware's really invested in inclusivity being part of their brand, if they do a bad job at it then it's definitely in their interest to fix. What we REALLY need to discuss is how the one visibly Jewish character in Mass Effect was an unethical profit-hungry doctor. What's the deal, Bioware Haledjian fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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widespread posted:In the meantime, I feel I must ask this. Anything in 2 onwards that resembles Noveria from ME1? Because the gist of that place was extremely my poo poo, what with "skirt legality but don't go into business for yourself" thing. Philosophically, Cerberus in ME2 isn't dissimilar. Environment-wise, Voeld in ME:A is a bigger, prettier, colder Noveria where you can do the snowy equivalent of redneck muddin'.
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Chalks posted:Yeah, if they spent another 6 months on QA and polish the entire quality of the game would be improved, this character included, but I don't think picking on her in particular does anything helpful and perhaps sends the wrong message to any developers that are on the fence about including more diversity in their games. Yeah, I understand the concern. It's entirely possible they'll throw their hands up and say 'gently caress it". Hainly is only getting attention because she stands out, it's not like any of the other outpost NPCs are good. 'Hello I am X and my job is Y. I came to Andromeda for Z. Please scan five kett asses for my kett rear end scan database." (Note: each kett rear end is on a different planet, none of which is the one you are on.) If you want to talk real harmful stereotypes I think the stoners who called 911 because their hydroponics set up broke are the REAL offenders. What kind of terrible grow operatives can't fix their own dang lamp? Shameful.
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Haledjian posted:Developers aren't babies, if mild pushback like this is what stops them putting transgender characters in their games then they've got bigger issues. In the meantime, Bioware's really invested in inclusivity being part of their brand, if they do a bad job at it then it's definitely in their interest to fix. Remind me who his was again?
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fruit on the bottom posted:Remind me who his was again? Dr. Zev Cohen, haha I may be mistaken about him being the ONLY obviously Jewish character in Mass Effect, but I can't remember any other ones 
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Haledjian posted:Illium in ME2 was a lot like that, if I'm getting your meaning. isk posted:Philosophically, Cerberus in ME2 isn't dissimilar. Heh, the 2nd game has twice the almost-corruption place.
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Haledjian posted:Developers aren't babies, if mild pushback like this is what stops them putting transgender characters in their games then they've got bigger issues. In the meantime, Bioware's really invested in inclusivity being part of their brand, if they do a bad job at it then it's definitely in their interest to fix. I'd understand a developer being concerned about the vitriolic response from the anti- side of the debate and disheartened enough by the reception to take the path of least resistance with 95% of the rest of the industry.
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widespread posted:Heh, the 2nd game has twice the almost-corruption place. ME2 is
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sneakyfrog posted:during a scene where peepee publicly wanted to know if we were going to be a thing, and like ya'kno super serious, and i was like "lets be friends" her reaction face had her head slowly rotating like an owl alllll the way around. Surprisingly that was the easiest time even fictionally that i ever had that go. I had p much the opposite experience, we'd been doing the casual thing and she left the room and basically had her robot ask and had me record a response she could listen to later. It was so dorky and earnest that I had a tough time even though I'd decided long ago to tell her off if and when it came to this.
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Apparently you can lock yourself into a romance with Reyes Vidal. God damnit, gibbed I need that save editor lol
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Reclaimer posted:I had p much the opposite experience, we'd been doing the casual thing and she left the room and basically had her robot ask and had me record a response she could listen to later. wait she had her robot deliver a do you like me check yes or no? that didnt happen for me but thats adorable 
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I just started journey to meridian, how much game do I have left? Apparently I'm only at 80% completion and I'm pretty sure I've scoured the cluster for every quest I could find. Edit: also some of these hidden caches are bugged. edit2: apparently you can still sort of flirt with jaal even after getting with Reyes, and you can flirt with PB if you've NSA'd her before afterwards edit3: these animation bugs are just hilariously bad, especially for main quests....*makes animation to hold chin between pointer finger and thumb, completely misses face entirely* GreenBuckanneer fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Apparently you can lock yourself into a romance with Reyes Vidal. God damnit, gibbed I need that save editor lol yeah you have to break up with him once you know the truth to not get stuck with him he's dreamy tho so it's ok
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Troposphere posted:yeah you have to break up with him once you know the truth to not get stuck with him I wanted my turian romance 
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Plugging along through Mass Effect 2. I've missed this game so much, it's been probably five years since I last played it. Still though, it feels odd at points. A lot of the time the entire image, despite looking brilliant especially for a 2010 game, feels weightless and artificial. And while the combat is a step up from ME1 for the most part, I feel like ME1's final section has better gameplay than ME2 overall. ME2 is a more consistent combat experience, but late-game Mass Effect 1, when you finally have accurate guns and inventive enemy positioning, is a blast. Being able to mow through three Geth destroyers, dodging in and out of trenches and lobbing grenades everywhere before going physics crazy on a charging Krogan Warlord is better than anything you do in ME2.
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I just had a revelation. Unless I'm mistaken, scanning creatures for Heleus research is repeatable. It seems to be on a fairly long internal cooldown. Might be 45 minutes, the same as the AVP perks. edit: maybe not. I swear I scanned some animals twice though. tooterfish fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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I'm about to head to meridian, but I've still got about 8 star systems that it appears I can't go to because I haven't unlocked them....do they get unlocked later? grr
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I wanted my turian romance Too late, she's crying over her burnt steaks now
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Haledjian posted:Too late, she's crying over her burnt steaks now but enough about melania trump
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I'm about to head to meridian, but I've still got about 8 star systems that it appears I can't go to because I haven't unlocked them....do they get unlocked later? grr Yeah, like immediately after. I'm waiting until tomorrow's patch to visit them, though. I'm sick of unskippable zoomies.
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Chill Nazi Frog posted:I'm waiting until tomorrow's patch to visit them, though. I'm sick of unskippable zoomies. Same. Insanity playthrough is going nicely but I want those QoL changes. Plus, Nier.
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    Finally found the screenshot key with Nvidia.  I like my Sara.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Apparently you can lock yourself into a romance with Reyes Vidal. God damnit, gibbed I need that save editor lol Haha, yeah I like Reyes but I didn't want to do a romance with him and I think I picked one flirty dialog with him when we first met and that was enough that it came down to a "what about us?" decision at the end of his story arc. I had to say "you're not the man I thought you were," which wasn't how I actually felt about the situation but it was the only option to turn him down with
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I keep trying to figure out why the krogan were taken along if the arks were split up into racial slots by and large. Even with the more mixed crew of the Nexus, what with this being secretly backed by Cerberus you would think they would make sure not to bring along any group that would be most likely to push out the other species, especially humans.
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Bu who will fill the role of the pinkertons for our new agile and disruptive start up colony?
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I have nothing to base this on, but I've always suspected that TIM had a soft spot for the krogans.
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evilmiera posted:I keep trying to figure out why the krogan were taken along if the arks were split up into racial slots by and large. Even with the more mixed crew of the Nexus, what with this being secretly backed by Cerberus you would think they would make sure not to bring along any group that would be most likely to push out the other species, especially humans. I'm about a 1/4 of the way through the surprisingly decent Nexus Uprising book, and the reason that there are so many krogan on the Nexus is because of Kesh. She's the chief engineer and lead the construction of the Nexus and she persuaded her clan to be the construction workers for it and come to Andromeda. So the krogan are the construction crew and are needed to finalise the Nexus build when they get to Andromeda.
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The scourage is a wall built to keep all the dirty milky way mexicans and reapers out. At the heart of it all is some obese diabetic alien with a blond hairpiece chanting "Build the wall! Build the Oh dear god, please don't tell me this is how the game loving ends and Bioware scrapped/rewrote the entire loving story in a month.
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Helith posted:I'm about a 1/4 of the way through the surprisingly decent Nexus Uprising book, and the reason that there are so many krogan on the Nexus is because of Kesh. She's the chief engineer and lead the construction of the Nexus and she persuaded her clan to be the construction workers for it and come to Andromeda. So the krogan are the construction crew and are needed to finalise the Nexus build when they get to Andromeda. Why did they put so much important information in a book (To drive sales, I know, but goddamn.)
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Helith posted:I'm about a 1/4 of the way through the surprisingly decent Nexus Uprising book, and the reason that there are so many krogan on the Nexus is because of Kesh. She's the chief engineer and lead the construction of the Nexus and she persuaded her clan to be the construction workers for it and come to Andromeda. So the krogan are the construction crew and are needed to finalise the Nexus build when they get to Andromeda. This is really something that should have been clearly mentioned in the game. They don't even have the excuse that your character already knows because they turn up knowing nothing whatsoever.
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Why does every Asari look like a blue, fit, Amy Schumer?
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LowPartz posted:Why does every Asari look like a blue, fit, Amy Schumer? Because they gave every Asari except PeeBee the same face and assumed no-one would notice.
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Haledjian posted:In the meantime, Bioware's really invested in inclusivity being part of their brand, if they do a bad job at it then it's definitely in their interest to fix. True, but on the other hand the gay dude on the Tempest settles down with a straight woman to make babies with her and raise a family if you don't interfere by romancing Gil. And like Gil, Suvi's romance involves no sex or even the word love, just a couple of kisses and spontaneously acting like you're together.
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