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mysterious frankie posted:Bernie really screwed them because he offered the constituency something true. Democratic elites live and die by the threat that their neoliberal hatefuck crap is as good as it gets, unless you want to become a lizard brained republican, or wander out into the wilderness with the rest of us mental cases and have your vote not matter. Bernie running as a democrat gave people hope that they could have a better life without doing anything brave or dangerous; they could just vote for the same party as always. When the DNC swept him off the table they really thought people would rally behind Hillary and, well, that didn't happen; not even when they intimated you were some kind of angry white male if you didn't. Even now, in the aftermath, no one wants to post up with leadership, all because we still remember the smell of Bernie's old man ointments as he held us close & told us it would all be ok... and it sends the kind of shiver down our collective spine we haven't felt since that first time Barack confabulated his way into our hearts. chapo said it already, but what DNC and even GOP don't get is its not even Bernie himself that people like. i mean i think he is fine, but its his ideas and policies and genuine lefty stuff that attracts them to him. people want a some sort of real leftism, some of the europian variety. they dont want the awful FYGM poo poo from the GOP or the bloodless neoliberal WOKE poo poo from the liberals. MaxxBot posted:https://twitter.com/SamleClinton/status/849671527108935681 what a bigoted dickhead. i am sorry but i hate how everything is BRAVE and TAKES COURAGE to the left. like LGBT stuff, sure that i can understand, it takes bravery to come out or transition. but trying to back every little fetish or kink as "progressive" and "woke". being a cuckold isnt brave, it just means your either a sub or an easily tricked idiot sadbrain who is 1 or 2 lies away from a murder suicide because your partner is a rear end in a top hat who wants to gently caress other people but wants to keep you around for emotional attention. rudatron posted:Don't worry, it's not the same: it's a transparently abusive relationship where the woman is emotionally manipulating the guy, by guilt-tripping him with some pseudo-intellectual bullshit. He lacks the self-confidence, self-esteem, strength of will and developed moral philosophy to reject that, and so falls for it. this.
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The problem with making everything an "identity" is that you diminish the importance of what that means. Black or gay identity means something, fat activist/asexual/otherkin identity truly doesn't.
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for instance, white males who play video games and post on forums about video games. they are also an identity
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Karl Barks posted:for instance, white males who play video games and post on forums about video games. they are also an identity Exactly, a perfect example of a worthless identity.
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call to action posted:The problem with making everything an "identity" is that you diminish the importance of what that means.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:chapo said it already, but what DNC and even GOP don't get is its not even Bernie himself that people like. i mean i think he is fine, but its his ideas and policies and genuine lefty stuff that attracts them to him. people want a some sort of real leftism, some of the europian variety. they dont want the awful FYGM poo poo from the GOP or the bloodless neoliberal WOKE poo poo from the liberals. I think the "not having to be brave" part of my spiel is important to note, because America's renewed hunger for socialism doesn't mean we want to admit it to ourselves. Bernie worked because he was both espousing appealing leftist ideas AND not threatening the status quo on the street level, because he identified as Democrat (sure, maybe he said he liked Scandinavian socialist politics, but HE'S A DEMOCRAT, YOU GUYS!). I can vote for Bernie AND still be a Democrat... this is kinda dirty, but I like it! People want things to get better, but that doesn't mean anyone wants to commit to a new identity; poo poo, people were comfortable voting for Trump's hosed up mutant Mussolini meets Richard III sideshow because he called it Republicanism, so it felt safe and normal, even though everyone knew subconsciously they were basically engaging an ejection seat, letting the West crash into a mountain, and just sort of praying that they'd land somewhere better. Socialists can do the same thing (edit: engage people in the ways they're comfortable with, not also crash the plane), as long as we keep that D by our names when it counts. DNC just needs to get out of the way, which is the problem. So... I guess good luck to us on that one. mysterious frankie has issued a correction as of 22:32 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:chapo said it already, but what DNC and even GOP don't get is its not even Bernie himself that people like. i mean i think he is fine, but its his ideas and policies and genuine lefty stuff that attracts them to him. people want a some sort of real leftism, some of the europian variety. they dont want the awful FYGM poo poo from the GOP or the bloodless neoliberal WOKE poo poo from the liberals. If Im being honest I dont even really think its leftism that holds any particular power. Americans are just ready for someone who won't feed them a plate of poo poo and tell them its the best they will ever get. Obama and Trump won because they told people there would be pie. Gore and Clinton lost because they were told to be grateful for the poo poo they had. Anyone with an ounce of sincerity (faked or real) or vision is going to attract a lot of followers.
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Not a Step posted:If Im being honest I dont even really think its leftism that holds any particular power. Americans are just ready for someone who won't feed them a plate of poo poo and tell them its the best they will ever get. Obama and Trump won because they told people there would be pie. Gore and Clinton lost because they were told to be grateful for the poo poo they had. Anyone with an ounce of sincerity (faked or real) or vision is going to attract a lot of followers. yeah, this. i want to think gore and clinton a decent people, i think gore has done great stuff for global warming/climate change awareness. and my mother will always love clinton because she helped with the childrens health care stuff(which i would probaly be dead or my family in poverty without.) but yeah, they are tone def idiots. i still like obama though.
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Not a Step posted:If Im being honest I dont even really think its leftism that holds any particular power. Americans are just ready for someone who won't feed them a plate of poo poo and tell them its the best they will ever get. Obama and Trump won because they told people there would be pie. Gore and Clinton lost because they were told to be grateful for the poo poo they had. Anyone with an ounce of sincerity (faked or real) or vision is going to attract a lot of followers. Yeah, there's that too. I've been listening to this podcast, Crimetown, and one of the people interviewed mentioned that Rhode Island kept voting known criminal Buddy Cianci in because A) he was a character, which America likes and B)he seemed to have no covert angle; he was who he was, hairpiece, corruption and all. I think all of America votes that way, given the candidate. Hilldog is nothing but fakeness and angles. Trump and Sanders are exactly what their labels read; cranky old scumfucking egoist, and cranky old compassionate socialist (the safe non revolutionary kind, so it's ok), respectively.
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another thing is that a lot of hillary fans came off as supporting her for hillary's sake. like it was our loving job to elect her in and fulfill her dream. sorry, pretty sure it's the job of the leader to make sure i can fulfill my dream i'm with her, it's her turn, etc.
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Office Surprise Store posted:another thing is that a lot of hillary fans came off as supporting her for hillary's sake. like it was our loving job to elect her in and fulfill her dream. sorry, pretty sure it's the job of the leader to make sure i can fulfill my dream yeah, i voted for bernie in the primary and then clinton in the election because trump is much worse choice in a ton of different areas. acting like clinton was some magical great follow up to obama's charisma and charm is loving sad.
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Office Surprise Store posted:another thing is that a lot of hillary fans came off as supporting her for hillary's sake. like it was our loving job to elect her in and fulfill her dream. sorry, pretty sure it's the job of the leader to make sure i can fulfill my dream https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/841759377312874497
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Office Surprise Store posted:another thing is that a lot of hillary fans came off as supporting her for hillary's sake. like it was our loving job to elect her in and fulfill her dream. sorry, pretty sure it's the job of the leader to make sure i can fulfill my dream i'll have you know every single woman in america seeks to have their lives validated through the successes of hillary clinton
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Office Surprise Store posted:another thing is that a lot of hillary fans came off as supporting her for hillary's sake. like it was our loving job to elect her in and fulfill her dream. sorry, pretty sure it's the job of the leader to make sure i can fulfill my dream Don't forget "We need someone who can reach across the aisle if we want to get things done."
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Office Surprise Store posted:another thing is that a lot of hillary fans came off as supporting her for hillary's sake. like it was our loving job to elect her in and fulfill her dream. sorry, pretty sure it's the job of the leader to make sure i can fulfill my dream I completely understand if you're a woman and legit wanted to see the first female president. If that is the argument? I can't fault someone for that. The time for a female president should have been a long time ago (Barbara Jordan would have been a great candidate fwiw...  )But the attitude a lot of people had critical of Hillary's flaws and being in support of someone more progressive on the issues was absurd. It drove a lot of voters away and really pissed all over any sort of enthusiasm that could have come from the Sanders style of the aisle. A lot of us wanted to at the very least? Move the party left and to become more electable in this climate. This was met with disdain, hatred and accusations of sexism. When the attitude to the comment of "We need to have single payer healthcare on her platform" is met with "gently caress You. We'll win without you?". That's going to drive an insane amount of people away from doing grass roots works, encouraging neighbors to vote, and most importantly? going to the polls.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I completely understand if you're a woman and legit wanted to see the first female president. If that is the argument? I can't fault someone for that. The time for a female president should have been a long time ago (Barbara Jordan would have been a great candidate fwiw... Yeah, I saw old ladies in the caucus talking about how they were finally going to have a woman in the white house in their lifetime. I'd feel more bad for them if she hadn't done things like cover up rape accusations against Bill.
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super sweet best pal posted:Yeah, I saw old ladies in the caucus talking about how they were finally going to have a woman in the white house in their lifetime. I'd feel more bad for them if she hadn't done things like cover up rape accusations against Bill. Those women really deserved better than her. They deserved better than the shitheads running her campaign and her surrogates doing a lot of unethical poo poo. guys like peter daou and other people in high places? Not so much.
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The facts that Hillary would be a historic president (not a "might actually blow up the world" historic president like we have now) and I could be reasonably sure how and where I would be brutally hosed for the next 4 years, were the two ameliorating conditions that made voting for her only suck a normal amount.
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mysterious frankie posted:The facts that Hillary would be a historic president (not a "might actually blow up the world" historic president like we have now) and I could be reasonably sure how and where I would be brutally hosed for the next 4 years, were the two ameliorating conditions that made voting for her only suck a normal amount. i think what sucks is even if clinton won, she wouldnt have gotten poo poo done and probably would have lost in 2020.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think what sucks is even if clinton won, she wouldnt have gotten poo poo done and probably would have lost in 2020. To Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz would have co-opted Trump's message and that's who would win it.
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mysterious frankie posted:The facts that Hillary would be a historic president (not a "might actually blow up the world" historic president like we have now) and I could be reasonably sure how and where I would be brutally hosed for the next 4 years, were the two ameliorating conditions that made voting for her only suck a normal amount. Clinton would have only been historical in a myopic, nationalistic sense. Britain and Canada have already had women leaders, and Thatcher did far more (for better or worse) that Hillary ever would have accomplished. Although maybe the "It's her turn!" poo poo rings extra-extra hollow outside the States.
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FuzzySkinner posted:To Ted Cruz. id be curious to see how bad cruz would have been as president, slightly more compitant then trump and but a gently caress ton worse.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:id be curious to see how bad cruz would have been as president, slightly more compitant then trump and but a gently caress ton worse. People continue to say that trump was the worst republican nominee possible and the worst choice before the people, and that will always be false to me. Cruz would have been far far worse. He'd do everything trump is doing, as well as targeting LGBT and a true believer on abortion and anti science. You'd get the worst parts of trump, the Christian Right, and the establishment all wrapped up in one unappealing package. As well, the dude is actually super competent behind closed doors. That he may have actually won if he was nominated this year, terrifies me more than anything the trumpers have done. If trump has done anything good, it's that he's put off the chances of Cruz getting anywhere near the white House for at least a decade.
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the trump tutelage posted:Obama was historical. I meant it entirely in a nationalistic sense. I have no delusions that, given where we currently are at as a nation, anything historic we do is going to be notable in a positive way to anyone but us. But it's something and, so long as she didn't royally gently caress it up, it would seta precedent that might make it easier for more worthy female candidates to assume office before I die.
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really queer Christmas posted:People continue to say that trump was the worst republican nominee possible and the worst choice before the people, and that will always be false to me. Cruz would have been far far worse. He'd do everything trump is doing, as well as targeting LGBT and a true believer on abortion and anti science. You'd get the worst parts of trump, the Christian Right, and the establishment all wrapped up in one unappealing package. As well, the dude is actually super competent behind closed doors. That he may have actually won if he was nominated this year, terrifies me more than anything the trumpers have done. He'd also be much more competent and would get the GOP to unite behind him much more then Trump has. He'd absolutely be able to do more damage and have a more lasting impact on the future then Trump will.
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mysterious frankie posted:The facts that Hillary would be a historic president (not a "might actually blow up the world" historic president like we have now) and I could be reasonably sure how and where I would be brutally hosed for the next 4 years, were the two ameliorating conditions that made voting for her only suck a normal amount. Honest question. Are you completely oblivious to Hillary's war hawk tendencies? http://www.salon.com/2016/04/27/dem...e_republicanse/
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https://twitter.com/SubMedina/status/849475750105407488 EVERYTHING IS HORRIBLE BECAUSE ITS NOT WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK  gently caress, maybe im the moron for thinking this was satire.
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spit on my clit posted:EVERYTHING IS HORRIBLE BECAUSE ITS NOT WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK accurate
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Call Me Charlie posted:Honest question. Are you completely oblivious to Hillary's war hawk tendencies? Not at all. It was a triage vote plus looking for silver lining. I could be reasonably sure she would make the world a worse place to live in, especially for the third world, but also reasonably sure she'd leave a world behind when she was finished. With Trump I had no clue what to expect, save for chaos.
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https://imgur.com/a/Oyhnz i forgot what a massive sack of poo poo chu was.   there are more from other people. but this is why i will always hate stupid "progressive" assholes. they would take the side of wahabists because free speech is "problematic".
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Dapper_Swindler posted:there are more from other people. but this is why i will always hate stupid "progressive" assholes. they would take the side of wahabists because a magazine's brand of anti-racist satire is "problematic".
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://imgur.com/a/Oyhnz Arthur Chu lives in Broadview Heights. A suburb of Cleveland that I've driven through, have seen, eaten in restaurants. It is the whitest, least "culturally diverse" neighborhood possible. Median income is 75k, and the amount of white people per the 2010 census is 91.0%. It's for rich white upperclass peeps. This isn't s slam on that neighborhood btw. The people there are kind enough, and I would think they would resent the type of person that Arthur Chu is. I've been around northeast ohioans all my life and even the doctors have a "put your nose to the grind, and work" attitude. It transcends race, background and other things. He's a fraud that apparently was verbally abusive to his wife among other things. He also admitted to seeing someone get raped and said nothing. Again, things people in my area that would be found abhorrent and disgusting. If there is a human being that when he opens his mouth and lectures people about that should be told loudly, to "SHUT. THE. gently caress UP.". It would be this guy. An rear end in a top hat that is the epitome of privileged. FuzzySkinner has issued a correction as of 20:01 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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