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Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol i thought it was all just under the same rule of course the senate has half a dozen different kinds of filibusters

even if the senate had passed legislation, the house is under no obligation to take up the bill. boehner could have simply refused to bring it to the floor

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

logikv9 posted:

and outlook as this "clutter" function which increased my "did you get the thing I sent you" factor by 5

hey welcome to my life

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

SKULL.GIF posted:

lol that book review linked to this: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/21/how-millennials-voted/

50% of millennials voted, compared to national average turnout of 58%

yeah "young people don't vote at all" :jerkbag:

young people are too busy loving/trucking, and hell, can you blame them?

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Thoguh posted:

That's very true but misleading because her opponent was Trump, so she was already on extra easy mode. I say it is misleading because of how terrible the dems have done downticket and in state/local races. So the problem wasn't just Hillary but the overall message of the party. Anybody but Hillary would have beaten Trump, but that doesn't change that the Democrats have become a regional party of the Northeast plus a half dozen or so large cities elsewhere.

the other problem is that that's where most people live

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

SKULL.GIF posted:

lol that book review linked to this: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/21/how-millennials-voted/

50% of millennials voted, compared to national average turnout of 58%

yeah "young people don't vote at all" :jerkbag:

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Serf
May 5, 2011



lmao we're hosed

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017



That chart is for Obama, I think it's changed significantly now that Trump is President.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



SKULL.GIF posted:

That chart is for Obama, I think it's changed significantly now that Trump is President.

is trump going to make white people distrust cops

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Serf posted:

lmao we're hosed

I'd want to see a breakdown of "somewhat" vs. "complete" trust before giving up completely. Especially for the police.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



eh sooner or later when white people start getting thrown into debtors' prisons over student loan debt they'll come around

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
holy moly, check out this blast from the fuckin past (2014)

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-millenials-have-historically-low-levels-of-trust-in-government-2014-4

quote:

However, the poll found young conservatives are more likely to vote this year than liberal millennials.

"Currently, there seems to be more enthusiasm for midterm voting among traditional Republican consistencies than Democratic ones," the pollsters explained. "For example, 44 percent of those who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012 say they are 'definitely voting,' which is a statistically significant difference compared to the 35 percent of 2012 Obama voters who say the same. Additionally, self-identified conservatives (32%) are 10 points more likely to vote than liberals (22%)."

Additionally, the pollsters noted there are "subtle shifts" with more 18-24 year olds identifying as Republicans. While the poll found Democrats still maintain an advantage among all voters under 30, their edge among the youngest segment of that group is slipping.

"Where younger Millennials once held a 15-point Democrat to Republican margin, we now see this margin shifting to 25- to 29- year olds, while the 18-to 24- year olds margin is shrinking," said the pollsters.

While the news about trust in the President, midterm voter turnout, and party affiliation may have been bad for Democrats, the poll did contain one silver lining for them. The pollsters surveyed millennials on their opinions about Hillary Clinton and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. They found Democratic 2016 frontrunner Clinton is in much more popular with the youth than Christie, who is considered a leading Republican presidential hopeful.

The poll showed Clinton has a favorable rating of 52% among millennials while Christie's was just 21%. Furthermore, the pollsters found over two thirds (67%) of young voters said their opinion of Clinton had not changed in the past year and only 16% said it has gotten worse. On the other hand, the poll showed 43% of millenials who knew of Christie said their opinion of him had improved in the past year.

Serf
May 5, 2011


being conservative is now the cool thing to do, but over 8 years of trump it will become less cool

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



what exactly did you want me to twke away from that

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
kids trying new "alt-right"! 5 signs that your child may be involved with this! more at 11

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Shear Modulus posted:

reddit during the election was 95% correct the record shills and nazi and russian trolls

So you're saying the election didn't change its membership all that much, then.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Serf posted:

being conservative is now the cool thing to do, but over 8 years of trump it will become less cool

its really not

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Captain_Maclaine posted:

So you're saying the election didn't change its membership all that much, then.

well the CTR checks stopped when the money ran out

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
sharia blue

Serf
May 5, 2011


Vox Nihili posted:

its really not

i mean i suppose it could continue getting cooler, but that's generally not how it goes

who can tell after 2016 tho

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Serf posted:

i mean i suppose it could continue getting cooler, but that's generally not how it goes

who can tell after 2016 tho

i mean being conservative wasnt really "cool" among millennials in general

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Shear Modulus posted:

is trump going to make white people distrust cops

Yep. Well some of them.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
Look, there's no way that a site which ranks things according to how many people give a positive rating to something and has free account generation could easily be manipulated by like one dude with some proxies and a few simple scripts.

It just isn't possible. The Cyber doesn't allow for it.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Vox Nihili posted:

i mean being conservative wasnt really "cool" among millennials in general

depends on where you are i suppose

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Vox Nihili posted:

i mean being conservative wasnt really "cool" among millennials in general

I'd say it is among a pretty big bloc though. Listen to bro country, go hunting (or pretend you go hunting for most of them), make a big deal about going to a megachurch, and vote straight ticket republican.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

"CTR shills" has the same intellectual validity as "Soros puppets"

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Shear Modulus posted:

what exactly did you want me to twke away from that

what do you think you're supposed to take away from "sure, more young people are becoming Republicans and young conservatives are more likely to vote (particularly in midterms), but probable presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has high favorability among millennials so the future looks bright for the Dems!"

it's "Dems are bad and dumb and should have seen this coming years ago"

Martin BadClixx
Jul 14, 2012

dada stijl

:cumpolice:
Bernie would have won.

Hillary would have started a war.


They are both equally as bad.


But my Animes

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

zegermans posted:

"CTR shills" has the same intellectual validity as "Soros puppets"

Sigh

Serf
May 5, 2011


Thoguh posted:

I'd say it is among a pretty big bloc though. Listen to bro country, go hunting (or pretend you go hunting for most of them), make a big deal about going to a megachurch, and vote straight ticket republican.

this describes about 90% of the white kids i went through the school system with. very, very few came out of there as anything but dubya-loving, quietly racist adults who rabidly supported trump. the obama years took them from being vanilla republicans like their parents to crazy nationalists these days. all the alt-right people i know i met in college, who mostly started out as vaguely liberal nerds and slowly descended into madness. right-wingers became the counterculture without really earning it, and i think its about to swing back the other way now that they've gained power and kids naturally gravitate away from things the olds like

Zhulik
Nov 14, 2012

The Montreal Star
It was a post-heavy day on the streets. "CTR shills", "Soros puppets"... I've seen it all. I closed the blinds, grabbed my tendies and hooked my butthole up to the posting rig. The russia-sponsored berniebots were at it again.

Zhulik has issued a correction as of 21:16 on Apr 6, 2017

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

quote:

In response to these attacks on supporters and superdelegates, Correct The Record is launching the
Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force. While Hillary Clinton fights to break down barriers and
bring America together, the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force will serve as a resource for
supporters looking for positive content and push-back to share with their online progressive
communities, as well as thanking prominent supporters and committed superdelegates on social
media.

Correct The Record will invest more than $1 million into Barrier Breakers 2016 activities, including
the more than tripling of its digital operation to engage in online messaging both for Secretary
Clinton and to push back against attackers on social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Reddit,
and Instagram. Barrier Breakers 2016 is a project of Correct The Record and the brainchild of David
Brock, and the task force will be overseen by President of Correct The Record Brad Woodhouse and
Digital Director Benjamin Fischbein. The task force staff's backgrounds are as diverse as the
community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs
specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar
to those with which the task force will organize.

seems like a bit of a jump from that to "anonymous paid shills flood the world with astroturfed comments and tweets" but here we are

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
oh god so that's where brad woodhouse slithered off to after leaving the dnc

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Concerned Citizen posted:

seems like a bit of a jump from that to "anonymous paid shills flood the world with astroturfed comments and tweets" but here we are

You're going to have to help me out here to see how a press release announcing a million-dollar investment to pay people to confront anti-Hillary comments on social media isn't a press release announcing a plan to pay people to post comments and tweets on social media.


Serf posted:

this describes about 90% of the white kids i went through the school system with. very, very few came out of there as anything but dubya-loving, quietly racist adults who rabidly supported trump. the obama years took them from being vanilla republicans like their parents to crazy nationalists these days. all the alt-right people i know i met in college, who mostly started out as vaguely liberal nerds and slowly descended into madness. right-wingers became the counterculture without really earning it, and i think its about to swing back the other way now that they've gained power and kids naturally gravitate away from things the olds like

I mean, it makes sense, because the GOP was actively trying to recruit people into the far right and the Dems prefer to ignore non-donors and want their voters to keep quiet except during elections.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

s4p wasn't dominated by CTR shills but it was absolutely infested with really blatant alt-right trolls who saw a chance to stir poo poo up and took it

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

The Muppets On PCP posted:

oh god so that's where brad woodhouse slithered off to after leaving the dnc

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/12/16/371232190/brothers-on-c-span-divided-by-politics-united-in-mortification-by-moms-call

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Oh Snapple! posted:

s4p wasn't dominated by CTR shills but it was absolutely infested with really blatant alt-right trolls who saw a chance to stir poo poo up and took it

No True Bernout

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Shear Modulus posted:

You're going to have to help me out here to see how a press release announcing a million-dollar investment to pay people to confront anti-Hillary comments on social media isn't a press release announcing a plan to pay people to post comments and tweets on social media.

no no you see they're paying people to create content so other people on social media who aren't getting paid can share it

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Shear Modulus posted:

You're going to have to help me out here to see how a press release announcing a million-dollar investment to pay people to confront anti-Hillary comments on social media isn't a press release announcing a plan to pay people to post comments and tweets on social media.

because you can spend money on fb ads, promoted tweets, reddit ads, content creation, email list acquisitions, etc. the pushback can, in fact, come from people who are unpaid or are paid but properly identified as employees. they were not really a shadowy group, since they had a facebook page (it's still up!) and a website where they pushed all their content to. the leap to "paid trolls" was one invented by people who wanted a reason to believe that the people they were arguing with on the internet all day were actually fake news

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
David Brock bulk bought forums accounts

As D&D goes, so goes the nation, was his logic,

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logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

GalacticAcid posted:

David Brock bulk bought forums accounts

As D&D goes, so goes the nation, was his logic,

david brock is keeping these forums alive

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