|
No dogs no masters.
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 22:01 |
|
|
Namtab posted:That wouldn't be particularly good if he's at the rear end end of the southern routes like Portsmouth. You'd have to be a particular masochist to go to Portsmouth with Southern as they only do a slow service that goes like a hundred miles down the coast. However I now know two people who formerly commuted on Southern (from Brighton and Crawley) who have now actually moved house just to escape their bullshit. I wonder if that's an actual trend or just an anomaly - imagine the fun the Mail could have with LOONY LEFTY STRIKERS HURT HOUSE PRICES. If they could only fit asylum seekers or cancer in there they could close the paper down knowing they'd never surpass it. (The first guy actually attributes the breakdown of his marriage to Southern, he claims was so stressed by the commute he started going to the pub every night just to ease the pain of going to London Bridge..)
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:49
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:No dogs no masters. The tragedy, the tragedy of the man
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:50
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:You'd have to be a particular masochist to go to Portsmouth with Southern as they only do a slow service that goes like a hundred miles down the coast. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:50
|
|
|
Namtab posted:All the alternatives like.....    
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:52
|
|
|
Zephro posted:No one thinks that, this is a false dichotomy. Missing a week of school is not going to ruin your education. If people really thought it would they'd hire one-to-one tutors for intensive catch up every time a child was sick. And they wouldn't have rules requiring children to stay at home when they have colds or mild illnesses, because if their futures literally depended on it the correct thing to do would be to force them into school even when they were sick. My experience of school was people with money going on holiday at all. I never got to go. That was the case with quite a few of us. It was another marker of privilege and something the rich kids used to make fun of poor kids with. Like having expensive trainers (the only non-uniform thing we could wear) was. So it does work the other way as well.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:54
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:No dogs no masters. There is a dog in your avatar. Thank you for following the dog rule.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:54
|
|
|
jBrereton posted:It's nothing like homeschooling and everything like taking a week off work. End of the day it's not like the time spent away for any reason is irreperably lost. Kids will ask what they missed, and people will tell them the 10 pages they need to read to keep up with their massive 3 hours of English lessons they missed etc. I agree with leaving it up to headteachers, but this analogy is pretty flawed. School moves on, work doesn't. Taking a couple of weeks off school can easily result in kids missing a big chunk of important stuff that won't be revisited. And teachers don't have the time to set, mark and police catch-up work for a group of 35 kids when at least one of them is probably missing school at any given moment. They don't have time to do what they do now. The proper solution of course is to invest in schools, reduce teacher workload and class sizes and maybe they'd be able to help kids catch up. But at the moment pretending kids who miss school will be helped through and extra material will be covered is just a fantasy. Edit: Also Taear has a good point. The really poor kids don't holiday at all, and I distinctly remember feeling bad at school that my better off peers not only got a holiday but they got to skip school as well. jabby fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Apr 6, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:56
|
|
|
I'm glad that my boycott ended the dog policy but unlike some boycott organisers I cannot take credit for this victory. The victory is yours, not mine.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:57
|
|
|
Pissflaps posted:Then pay the fare? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the middle class.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 19:59
|
|
|
R. Guyovich posted:There is a dog in your avatar. Thank you for following the dog rule. poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:00
|
|
|
I am in favour of unilateral redistribution.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:01
|
|
|
Pissflaps posted:Do you think everyone should fare dodge? yes
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:02
|
|
|
I think you should fare dodge in inverse proportion to your discretionary income.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:03
|
|
|
Mister Adequate posted:Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the middle class. Nice classism. Working class people aren't all fare dodgers.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:03
|
|
|
Pissflaps posted:Nice classism. That's true enough, some of them are class traitors.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:05
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:That's true enough, some of them are class traitors. You think people who pay their way are class traitors?
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:06
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:That's true enough, some of them are class traitors.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:07
|
|
|
Communism isn't about theft
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:08
|
|
|
I think that working class people pay their way in the work they do so they shouldn't be expected to give their meager share back to some rich oval office for the privilege of being able to go to work.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:08
|
|
|
jBrereton posted:How do you intend for the working classes who work in the rail industry to get paid if everyone fare dodges (keeping in mind that the government redistributing all income to everyone especially train drivers and making public transport either free or with only a nominal fee as in German Democratic Republic is quite unlikely) i bet it would be more likely if everyone fare dodged vvvv fun fact - we had the first commercial maglev train in the world, then we dusted our hands, said "welp we're done now" and walked away from railways forever Microplastics fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Apr 6, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:12
|
|
|
British Rail's hover-train patents weren't all they were cracked up to be.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:13
|
|
|
jBrereton posted:How do you intend for the working classes who work in the rail industry to get paid if everyone fare dodges (keeping in mind that the government redistributing all income to everyone especially train drivers and making public transport either free or with only a nominal fee as in German Democratic Republic is quite unlikely) I was implying Pissflaps is a class traitor, not every other poor sod that pays to go on public transport. Pissflaps was advancing the idea that in order to be a proper, morally upstanding specimen you have to "pay your way" regardless of individual circumstances, which is a damaging and reactionary myth that we could all do without.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:17
|
|
|
I wonder what pissflaps' opinion on poll tax dodgers is
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:19
|
|
|
TomViolence posted:I was implying Pissflaps is a class traitor, not every other poor sod that pays to go on public transport. Pissflaps was advancing the idea that in order to be a proper, morally upstanding specimen you have to "pay your way" regardless of individual circumstances, which is a damaging and reactionary myth that we could all do without. And you're implying that everyone that fare dodges does so because they're unable to pay their fare.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:19
|
|
|
Just because you can give your well earned compensation back to the rich doesn't mean you should.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:22
|
|
|
Trains in the east are pretty useless too. The missus and I took a train from Norwich to Cambridge the other weekend, it had just 2 carriages and it was rammed as gently caress, hot and smelly. My partner did actually complain and got a response- they were terribly sorry for running a pathetic service, but it was either that or nothing. Actually "nothing" would have been the better option for us as we would have driven instead and wouldn't have had to spend 30 quid on train fares. (In case anyone wants to point out how expensive parking in Cambridge is, you don't actually have to park in the centre of a city to visit it) But hey they said they'd send us some vouchers or something. Maybe useful if they're valid for tube journeys..? I remember few years ago I tweeted something about seeing lots of people being caught out on my train without a ticket, and got retweeted by some horrendous scumbag account called "scrote catcher" which was basically dedicated to finding people who were tweeting about skipping fares and things like that, and then doxxing them and informing their employers if they could. Nearly always teenagers, shop workers. Yet, when George Osborne was found in 1st class without the right ticket, not a peep. As you can tell this typically Tory classist hypocrisy bullshit has really stuck in my mind!
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:27
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:I think that working class people pay their way in the work they do so they shouldn't be expected to give their meager share back to some rich oval office for the privilege of being able to go to work. I'm going to try this one next time I visit the petrol station.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:32
|
|
|
If you could nick petrol I would be fine with that also.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:34
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:You'd have to be a particular masochist to go to Portsmouth with Southern as they only do a slow service that goes like a hundred miles down the coast.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:36
|
|
|
Train companies should reinvest their obscene profits into infrastructure, or else charge less
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:36
|
|
|
Taear posted:My experience of school was people with money going on holiday at all. I never got to go. That was the case with quite a few of us.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:38
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:If you could nick petrol I would be fine with that also. 1: Fill tank 2: Drive off Pretty easy really. Actually easier than paying for it, in fact. I mean you may want to take a few precautions, from modifying your plates so as to make them unreadable by CCTV to buying one of these - a hefty up-front cost, to be sure, but it'll pay for itself after like ten tanks. (Note that I don't think you should steal petrol, I'm pointing out the silliness of posts like this)
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:42
|
|
|
Well I mean obviously you can nick petrol but it seems ill advised to try it with regularity on your route to work and given that you're on camera doing it, and the station will notice very quickly that you did it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:45
|
|
|
The correct way to nick petrol is to siphon it out of a car that's posher than yours
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 20:55
|
|
|
Or you can buy a diesel and use red diesel that has been filtered through cat litter (may not work with new red diesel). Or waste vegetable oil that has been filtered through a filter, which has the bonus of being legal (may not work with fancy new diesels). goddamnedtwisto posted:British Rail's hover-train patents weren't all they were cracked up to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvwwp2941yE
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 21:24
|
|
|
Seaside Loafer posted:I am an idiot and haven't really understood all the Ken Livingstone stuff. quoting a post from ages ago, but no-one replied directly. the mistake you've made is taking the one factual point (relating to Haavara agreement) out of Livingstone's mess and seen that it's correct, then generalised that into everything he said "is in fact true". Not your fault, he's been deliberately encouraging that by repeatedly coming out with the "all I said was…" line. but that's not all he said. he spun a lot of conclusions out of that point, which you'd have a hard time finding any twentieth century historian to agree with. david baddiel explains this a lot better https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/06/ken-livingstone-hitler-zionism-jews
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 21:52
|
|
|
Seaside Loafer posted:You should watch out for those, whenever I see that going down I just dont get a ticket at all and am well happy with having done Southern out of a few quid. The Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern franchise is run as a management contract, where the company are paid a fee to provide the service and DfT collect the fare revenue, unlike other national rail franchises where the train operating company take fare revenue and return a franchise payment to DfT. So ticket dodging has absolutely zero effect on Southern. you have been owned by Govia
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 22:00
|
|
|
This is a bloody crying shame if ever there was one: https://www.ft.com/content/adb040ce-1959-11e7-a53d-df09f373be87quote:Landlords are selling parts of their buy-to-let portfolios to pay down mortgage debts as the imminent loss of a valuable tax relief makes highly leveraged properties less viable, property experts said.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 22:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 22:01 |
|
|
quote:In the survey of 382 landlords by Axa, 40 per cent of owners said they would be worse off after the changes. Hmm it's not quite a hanging but I'll take it
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2017 22:19
|
|