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Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻

Any word from the usual suspects about Bannon being kicked out?

# ? Apr 6, 2017 20:08

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# ? May 8, 2024 21:23

Annointed: Mar 2, 2013

He's still on national security council, but now he's gunning for Kushner, calling him a cuck and a globalist for example.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 20:40

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Annointed posted:

He's still on national security council, but now he's gunning for Kushner, calling him a cuck and a globalist for example.

His original spot on the security council was replaced by Rick Perry too so uh... good luck with that America...

# ? Apr 6, 2017 21:55

Impermanent: Apr 1, 2010

divabot posted:

* An economics grad student sees this and desperately tries to get across what determined Dunning-Kruger it is even taking notice of Kirkegaard. Again the commentariat, including Scott aren't taking this SJW joined-up-thinking bullshit.

I am not an economist and do not claim to be an expert but this guy is also a complete idiot in recommending loving krugman and freidman. He is right about SSC though.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 23:33

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Another response to Tyler Cowen on the rationals:

https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/849845789983731713

That tweetstorm:

quote:

Some thoughts on the controversy over the rationality community sparked by @tylercowen's offhand comments to @ezraklein
Avoiding the most common errors in thought has surprisingly few personal benefits. Why try?
Vigilance against bias and fastidious Bayesianism has to appeal to something in you. But what? Why are you so worried about being wrong?
Some rationalists talk a lot about status signaling and tribe-based confirmation bias. What's the theory of shutting this off?
Plato's right. Will to truth is rooted in eros. Longing for recognition must be translated into a longing for a weird semantic relation.
Hume is right. Good things, like reason, come from co-opting and reshaping base motives. Reason's enslaved to the impulse that drives it.
I see almost no interest among rationality folks in cultivating and shaping the arational motives behind rational cognition.
Bayes' Law is much less important than understanding what would get somebody to ever care about applying Bayes' Law.
If the reason people don't is that it would destabilize their identity and relationships, maybe it's not so great to be right.
Aristotle says a real philosopher is inhuman.
If the normal syndrome of epistemic irrationality is instrumentally rational, then you've got to choose your irrationality.
The inclination to choose epistemic rationality is evidence of being bad at life.
It's understandable that these people should want a community in which they can feel better and maybe even superior about this.
We all need a home. If that desire for safety/acceptance/status produces more usefully true thoughts, that's awesome.

Wow, what an rear end he's being to us SSC readers, whose average IQ is 138. Also, rationalism selects for people who are already pretty good at rationalism.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 23:52

Baby Babbeh: Aug 2, 2005; It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work with Turkeys!!

Horrible, racist poo poo accumulates in rationalist circles because they fetishize debate and remain steadfast in their faith that bad ideas will be expunged by darwinian action in the laissez faire marketplace of the mind. Which is of course ironic, because the research into heuristics and biases that forms the core of their belief system is pretty clear about how debate changes nothing and conflict merely causes its participants to become more deeply calcified in their preconceptions. So ideas that have been expunged elsewhere by the simple expedient of shaming people for posting nazi poo poo continue to find a home. They're graveyards full of zombie notions that nobody has the bullet to put down.

# ? Apr 7, 2017 00:11

pookel: Oct 27, 2011; Ultra Carp

They're also susceptible to any argument based on pure reason (i.e., unsullied by real-world concerns like facts and data). Since life is messy and arbitrary and irrational, and humans are themselves products of the messy histories and cultures that they came from, the assumption that it's possible to achieve accurate results based on logic alone, without any examination of one's own biases or comparison to real-world information, is ludicrous.

They also seem to be allergic to historical context, for similar reasons.

# ? Apr 7, 2017 01:41

Cavelcade: Dec 9, 2015; I'm actually a boy!

quote:

I'm inclined to suggest we learn to behave like a mystery cult, in the traditional sense of the word: a serious, proper cult that talks about secret cult business only among believers

# ? Apr 7, 2017 10:03

Grace Baiting: Jul 20, 2012; Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.

Did you know that tribes are fundamentally bad? As a founder of this new ~~tribe~~ ~~cult~~ ~~phyg~~ ~~not-a-cult~~ proper mystery cult, I am intrinsically superior to the layfolk/sheeple, and so can you!!

# ? Apr 7, 2017 14:00

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

pookel posted:

They're also susceptible to any argument based on pure reason (i.e., unsullied by real-world concerns like facts and data). Since life is messy and arbitrary and irrational, and humans are themselves products of the messy histories and cultures that they came from, the assumption that it's possible to achieve accurate results based on logic alone, without any examination of one's own biases or comparison to real-world information, is ludicrous.

They also seem to be allergic to historical context, for similar reasons.

This has always been my favorite weird thing about the Austrian school of economics, that it's big selling point seems to be that it specifically rejects empiricism

# ? Apr 7, 2017 14:23

Space Poodle: Nov 11, 2007

The proper mystery cults were all doomed to irrelevance and not really being remembered for their actual content.

Maybe this is the right path.

A single paper in 200 years: "We think they probably did drugs and talked about 'the singularity.' The only thing we really know is they has "fashy" haircuts, which you can see in this old magazine photo from 2016."

# ? Apr 7, 2017 17:20

Neon Noodle: Nov 11, 2016; there's nothing wrong here in montana

The soft right wing in the U.S. has proven to be resilient because it tolerates all sorts of internal contradictions rather well. Far-right movements arise every now and again (I'm thinking particularly of the John Birch society) and they certainly have an impact, but they tend to break down because they're too paranoid. When your ideology is based on conspiracies and purity instead of on a set of discrete social goals, eventually your group will splinter and devour itself. Nobody can ever be white enough or nationalist enough. The Catholics are never going to fit into ethnonationalism.

The GOP has the right idea -- screw ideological purity and cynically embrace whatever useful minorities will help you advance your agenda. Forgive hypocrites immediately as long as they return to the fold.

# ? Apr 7, 2017 17:42

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

Neon Noodle posted:

The soft right wing in the U.S. has proven to be resilient because it tolerates all sorts of internal contradictions rather well. Far-right movements arise every now and again (I'm thinking particularly of the John Birch society) and they certainly have an impact, but they tend to break down because they're too paranoid. When your ideology is based on conspiracies and purity instead of on a set of discrete social goals, eventually your group will splinter and devour itself. Nobody can ever be white enough or nationalist enough. The Catholics are never going to fit into ethnonationalism.

The GOP has the right idea -- screw ideological purity and cynically embrace whatever useful minorities will help you advance your agenda. Forgive hypocrites immediately as long as they return to the fold.

That is the greatest difference between Left and Right. It's practically a running joke that people on the Left can never rally agree on anything and are so obsessed with ideological purity that we get nothing done.

Yay for principles.

# ? Apr 7, 2017 17:53

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Space Poodle posted:

The proper mystery cults were all doomed to irrelevance and not really being remembered for their actual content.

Maybe this is the right path.

A single paper in 200 years: "We think they probably did drugs and talked about 'the singularity.' The only thing we really know is they has "fashy" haircuts, which you can see in this old magazine photo from 2016."

Well I mean, Christianity arguably counts. Or did.

Scientology probably does too, but that's a lesson in how hard it is to keep mysteries in the information era

# ? Apr 7, 2017 17:57

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Space Poodle posted:

The proper mystery cults were all doomed to irrelevance and not really being remembered for their actual content.

Maybe this is the right path.

A single paper in 200 years: "We think they probably did drugs and talked about 'the singularity.' The only thing we really know is they has "fashy" haircuts, which you can see in this old magazine photo from 2016."

Hey now, they could end up like the Illuminati: a bunch of self important morons that disband and are forgotten until someone blames them for something a hundred years later.

# ? Apr 7, 2017 18:44

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Improbable Lobster posted:

Hey now, they could end up like the Illuminati: a bunch of self important morons that disband and are forgotten until someone blames them for something a hundred years later.

Only they won't accidentally provoke any fun board games along the way.

# ? Apr 7, 2017 18:48

Goon Danton: May 24, 2012; Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Well I mean, Christianity arguably counts. Or did.

Scientology probably does too, but that's a lesson in how hard it is to keep mysteries in the information era

The Gnostics would definitely count, but the other early Christian sects hated them for it.

NikkolasKing posted:

That is the greatest difference between Left and Right. It's practically a running joke that people on the Left can never rally agree on anything and are so obsessed with ideological purity that we get nothing done.

Yay for principles.

I would agree, but the implosion of the Republican's "repeal and replace" healthcare bill is a prime example of the right doing exactly that. I'm not sure what that means, but it sure is a thing.

# ? Apr 7, 2017 20:16

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Goon Danton posted:

The Gnostics would definitely count, but the other early Christian sects hated them for it.

I would agree, but the implosion of the Republican's "repeal and replace" healthcare bill is a prime example of the right doing exactly that. I'm not sure what that means, but it sure is a thing.

I mean the Christians basically were counted as one of many weird mystery cults until they became a convenient scapegoat after the Great Fire of Rome

# ? Apr 8, 2017 01:23

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

NikkolasKing posted:

That is the greatest difference between Left and Right. It's practically a running joke that people on the Left can never rally agree on anything and are so obsessed with ideological purity that we get nothing done.

Yay for principles.

That's more of a myth than anything that really happens,

# ? Apr 8, 2017 07:24

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

https://twitter.com/thinkpiecebot/status/850380906107994113

# ? Apr 8, 2017 10:29

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Things nobody wants for $300, Alex:

# ? Apr 8, 2017 15:21

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

In which that thal bullshit is not as dead as I thought http://autismandhumanatavism.tumblr.com/post/27091248255/you-do-realize-that-suggesting-that-autistics-are

# ? Apr 8, 2017 16:14

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

So have the dark enlightenment types given up on neomonarchism to cheerlead for Trump instead?

# ? Apr 8, 2017 16:21

pookel: Oct 27, 2011; Ultra Carp

CharlestheHammer posted:

That's more of a myth than anything that really happens,

Yep. Mostly it's what happens when right-wingers see left-wingers having a friendly, spirited discussion about something like whether "American Indian" or "Native American" is a more appropriate term, and interpret it as us tearing each other's throats out over accusations of racism.

I see this all the time in the former-Gawker-verse, where we're having a friendly discussion in the comments about some nuance of racism or sexism or what-have-you, and right-wing trolls show up to crow about how angry we are and how we'll never accomplish anything when we're so busy fighting.

# ? Apr 8, 2017 16:52

LunarShadow: Aug 15, 2013

pookel posted:

Yep. Mostly it's what happens when right-wingers see left-wingers having a friendly, spirited discussion about something like whether "American Indian" or "Native American" is a more appropriate term, and interpret it as us tearing each other's throats out over accusations of racism.

I see this all the time in the former-Gawker-verse, where we're having a friendly discussion in the comments about some nuance of racism or sexism or what-have-you, and right-wing trolls show up to crow about how angry we are and how we'll never accomplish anything when we're so busy fighting.

Also the fact trot organization split more times than a zygote.

# ? Apr 8, 2017 17:57

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

pookel posted:

Yep. Mostly it's what happens when right-wingers see left-wingers having a friendly, spirited discussion about something like whether "American Indian" or "Native American" is a more appropriate term, and interpret it as us tearing each other's throats out over accusations of racism.

I see this all the time in the former-Gawker-verse, where we're having a friendly discussion in the comments about some nuance of racism or sexism or what-have-you, and right-wing trolls show up to crow about how angry we are and how we'll never accomplish anything when we're so busy fighting.

It should be noted as well that all political groups are naturally fractious, it's just used against the left because they aren't as successful.

# ? Apr 8, 2017 18:05

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

TinTower posted:

Things nobody wants for $300, Alex:

that's literally a recent plotline in Harry Potter becomes a Communist

# ? Apr 8, 2017 19:19

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

divabot posted:

that's literally a recent plotline in Harry Potter becomes a Communist

Holy poo poo

# ? Apr 8, 2017 19:27

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

divabot posted:

that's literally a recent plotline in Harry Potter becomes a Communist

Do you ever stop and think you're too old to be reading fan fictionfor kids stories?

# ? Apr 8, 2017 23:09

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Harry Potter Becomes a Communist is a modern art piece. :colbert:

Chapter 32 posted:

"Demotist forms of government are the problem," said Hagrid in a reactionary voice. "Demotism is when any power is given to the common people who don't deserve it. Once you give power to the mob, they can just vote all the money out of the treasury. That's why democracy leads to communism. Absolute monarchy is the only way."

"What?" I shouted in a voice of the poor people who were poor because of capitalism. "You're a loving monarchist?!"

"Yep!" said Hagrid in a monarchist way. Then he opened up his loving vest to reveal a purple shirt with a crown on it with the words, "Keep Calm and Support Monarchy".

# ? Apr 8, 2017 23:12

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

OfficialGBSCaliph posted:

Do you ever stop and think you're too old to be reading fan fictionfor kids stories?

Young people, loud, obnoxious, joyful, optimistic, hopeful, and these days most likely "liberal", "tolerant" and in favour of "diversity" are the most despicable people on the planet.

# ? Apr 9, 2017 00:24

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Young people, loud, obnoxious, joyful, optimistic, hopeful, and these days most likely "liberal", "tolerant" and in favour of "diversity" are the most despicable people on the planet.

And anyway, a proper rationalist intellectual wants his Harry Potter fanfiction to be all about white nationalism, sorry race realism, sorry blood purism. Because Scott is the kinda guy who heard about genocidal wizard literal Nazis and thought "blood purism, what a fascinating idea!!"

�of course i haven�t actually read any harry potter, just hpmor, but let me tell you all about jensen�

SSC is an intellectual blog. It was quoted in the Atlantic, you know. And real-world intellectuals and public thinkers in 2017 go on about scientific racism all the time and particularly how they can inject it into their transformative works of children�s stories

# ? Apr 9, 2017 00:34

Fututor Magnus: Feb 22, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

divabot posted:

And anyway, a proper rationalist intellectual wants his Harry Potter fanfiction to be all about white nationalism, sorry race realism, sorry blood purism. Because Scott is the kinda guy who heard about genocidal wizard literal Nazis and thought "blood purism, what a fascinating idea!!"

�of course i haven�t actually read any harry potter, just hpmor, but let me tell you all about jensen�

SSC is an intellectual blog. It was quoted in the Atlantic, you know. And real-world intellectuals and public thinkers in 2017 go on about scientific racism all the time and particularly how they can inject it into their transformative works of children�s stories

Ask Scott if he still thinks that he and his blog isn't amenable to a bunch of racists and scientific racism (which he's going to pretend are mainstream views, but Jensen is still considered a loving racist piece of poo poo in any field that matters) and that their views haven't rubbed off on him.

Also, Scott's latest is a loving hoot. It's always funny when the rationalists try to defend themselves against criticism. http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/07/yes-we-have-noticed-the-skulls/

# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:49

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Scott had better be investing in some good lotion so his hands don't bleed from all the wringing he does with them

# ? Apr 10, 2017 04:23

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

OfficialGBSCaliph posted:

Do you ever stop and think you're too old to be reading fan fictionfor kids stories?

I read like twenty pages of this out loud to my girlfriend last night it is a work of art and should be read by all

# ? Apr 10, 2017 13:01

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Mr. Potter, I don't even understand why you think I'm a racist," said McGonagall in an evil voice.

"THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW RACIST YOU ARE, YOU loving RACIST!" I yelled gloriously in a socialist voice. "YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL HOW RACIST YOU'RE BEING!

# ? Apr 10, 2017 13:04

Cavelcade: Dec 9, 2015; I'm actually a boy!

Fututor Magnus posted:

Also, Scott's latest is a loving hoot. It's always funny when the rationalists try to defend themselves against criticism. http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/07/yes-we-have-noticed-the-skulls/

I thought this was going to be a fun Mitchell and Web reference instead of whatever strange thing that was.

# ? Apr 10, 2017 13:09

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

pookel posted:

Yep. Mostly it's what happens when right-wingers see left-wingers having a friendly, spirited discussion about something like whether "American Indian" or "Native American" is a more appropriate term, and interpret it as us tearing each other's throats out over accusations of racism.

I see this all the time in the former-Gawker-verse, where we're having a friendly discussion in the comments about some nuance of racism or sexism or what-have-you, and right-wing trolls show up to crow about how angry we are and how we'll never accomplish anything when we're so busy fighting.

And sometimes, the far-right take a more active role in proceedings.

# ? Apr 10, 2017 13:17

Fututor Magnus: Feb 22, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

https://twitter.com/MrRobertFord/status/851511864446025728
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/770759582784172032

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I'm pretty sure america has borders already

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