Endorph posted:

you're a moron. please actually learn anything, about anything, before insulting people who have slightly different wants and desires from you.

Space Flower posted:

Uh, I'm sorry? Berserk is cool and I'm invested in its continued success after years/decades like many other people are. It's just that Berserk anime posts have been largely "this show is such a turd! it's soooo bad gahh!! I'm watching it all and I'm gonna watch the 2017 one too", which has an ironic juxtaposition with the "ugh, can't believe people can sit there and play fail aids mobage" angle. That in mind, I wanted to retort after reading about 'these drat cell phone games' again. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory—an earnest post chiming back with something they liked from the new Berserk, highlighting compelling staff that worked on it and brought potential to the show, or talking up the show for having merits in spite of its flaws, would have easily counter-owned me.

Instead, this abruptly vindictive post ??

Darth Walrus posted:

Mainly, I'm hoping for more I-IV mechanical designs. The Kataphrakts were probably the best things about Aldnoah Zero.

Fangz posted:

So it's more about the page to page execution that makes people like it, and not so much the broad narrative arc or the premise/setting?

Endorph posted:

There's definitely a strong broad narrative arc, but considering the series isn't finished yet and has been on and off hiatus for the past decade, it's hard to comment on it since we don't fully know where it's going. As for the setting, it's kind of fairly standard dark fantasy - though part of that is how influential Berserk was and is on pretty much every fantasy thing to come out of Japan for the past 30 years.

Fangz posted:

Genuine question here, what is supposed to be good about Berserk? Am I right in thinking it's basically The Witcher: the manga?

Endorph posted:

I don't really know what you mean by 'fetishes' since there's some, like, sexual assault and stuff but it's never really presented in a fetish-y way in the manga, it's just dark and horrific.

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i can only really think of three major scenes of sexual assault

Darth Walrus posted:

I dunno, the writing around it generally reads as a serious attempt to deal with the issues at hand, particularly later on once Miura matures as a writer, but there is a hell of a lot of rape, and it is often visually presented in an uncomfortably eroticised manner. Plus there's the other not-rapey-but-still-kind-of-uncomfortable stuff - once you've read Gigantomakhia (which is otherwise a pretty rad story that almost certainly served as the visual inspiration for Attack on Titan) you can never look at Berserk's younger female characters the same way again.

Endorph posted:

i think im going to look at them the same way again either way, since they're also never sexualized

and maybe im missing it but i can only really think of three major scenes of sexual assault

Fangz posted:

I think my conclusion from that is that this seems like good reason to think there's unlikely to be a good Berserk adaptation. There's nothing new and pressing to sell so budgeting will be constrained, there's not really a strong hook for people who haven't already bought into the story, and the elements that people like about it are specifically the elements like art style and writing that are not so easily ported over to a show, but are down to the individual talents of the production crew.

Fangz posted:

Genuine question here, what is supposed to be good about Berserk? Am I right in thinking it's basically The Witcher: the manga?

Darth Walrus posted:

Stunning art, action, a genuine sense of mythic resonance to the events of the story (not all that easy to pull off), some remarkably complex character-work, and intelligent exploration of some really meaty, weighty themes.

It's really a shame about Miura's strange and uncomfortable fetishes, because they present a significant barrier to entry to a remarkable work of art.

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Davincie posted:

do you ever have anything better to say, or is using the stupid yikes emoticon as good as it gets

ViggyNash posted:

Watch the original '97 series to find out. Seriously, that original series was one of the best things ever put to screen. That's part of why there's so much hate for this relatively incompetent and creatively bankrupt adaptation.

The manga I actually haven't read much of, but it's got really incredible art and a fairly unique setting and tone.

Julias posted:

You should fix that. The 97 anime honestly hasn't aged very well, and skips quite a bit of Manga content. As you've said, the Manga is a visual feast, especially as it goes on.

Fangz posted:

Okaaay.

Space Flower posted:

Well, one of these is a fresh IP with a lot of creative effort put into it and ideas that deserved more than a cheap mobile game, while the other one is just a low-risk retreading of barren grounds. To me, the accomplishments of the former are worth more than Berserk fans' cries of "wahh, now we only have eight other decent but mostly uninspired retellings of the same story we've read twelve times"

Fangz posted:

I'm sorry to keep this line of argument going but I rather resent the argument that making things dark necessitates having 'major scenes of sexual assault'. I can think of a pretty wide swathe of dark stuff I'm consumed, both fictional and historical, without any 'major scenes of sexual assault'. (And the thing in common between the ones that have them is usually that they are terrible works.) So going 'oh I can only think of three major scenes' is kinda jarring.