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xthetenth posted:Edit: For future requisitions, can we please have a runoff between the top two and consolidate similar buys? I have a feeling hexaphantom or all phantoms would have won mano a mano against the platypus plan that's neither fish nor fowl. I vote no. How else can we properly simulate defense procurement?
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Perhaps it's time we invaded Myanmar anyways, make it our permanent base.
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Taking over a third-world country to use as our own personal fiefdom is honestly not the worst idea the thread has ever had...
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Crazycryodude posted:Taking over a third-world country to use as our own personal fiefdom is honestly not the worst idea the thread has ever had... I'm honestly surprised it's taken this long.
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Crazycryodude posted:Taking over a third-world country to use as our own personal fiefdom is honestly not the worst idea the thread has ever had... Might I suggest a lightly defended island nation? Preferably someplace warm, tropical, and one that has those drinks they serve in coconuts with tiny little umbrellas?
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sparkmaster posted:Might I suggest a lightly defended island nation? Preferably someplace warm, tropical, and one that has those drinks they serve in coconuts with tiny little umbrellas? Jamaica!
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Well, seeing as how some slots probably just opened up (I kid...I hope) sign me up on the reserves under the callsign Badger if possible.
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Crazycryodude posted:Taking over a third-world country to use as our own personal fiefdom is honestly not the worst idea the thread has ever had... Trivia: according to E.N. Luttwak's Coup d'Etat: A Practical Handbook, between 1945 and 2010 there were 8 coups d'etat conducted with foreign mercenaries as one of the main parties, and 3 of those have been successful. The countries targeted included Comoros, Maldives, Seychelles, Chad, and Equatorial Guinea.
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Wasn't Margaret Thatcher's son caught up in one of those?
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Unfortunately, most of vulnerable (~10k pop) islands are in the Pacific and we don't even have a botte. Not even a flying botte.
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JcDent posted:Unfortunately, most of vulnerable (~10k pop) islands are in the Pacific and we don't even have a botte. Not even a flying botte. We'd be better off setting our poo poo in a remote airstrip with a friendly local government, preferably one with oil and manufacturing. We could effectively take it over if we maintain a mercenary unit that can take out the local tinpot if necessary. Just tell the guy that if he doesn't gently caress with our poo poo, we won't gently caress him and everyone he knows up. Maybe help him out if he needs some.
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Dictatorships are easier places to set up shop in because you only need to placate one guy and maybe their cabal rather than an entire electorate.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Dictatorships are easier places to set up shop in because you only need to placate one guy and maybe their cabal rather than an entire electorate. Whoever happens to be local to our base would be good to placate too, for both recruiting and security purposes. After all, if the locals like us they'll gladly inform us when competition arrives.
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Myanmar was it. Oops.
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 Below in the spoilers is the usual graphical breakdown and info all followed by a brief synopsis. Link to quick YouTube links of all the action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk  
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The Gripen was valued by Klaus and Petersen at $37 million, so in actuality we came out of this up by only two and a bit million.
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Also of note, I hosed up the Quick Turnaround. You have to turn it on in the Doctrines and RoE screen. But also, where I forgot, you have to click a checkbox in the Air Ops aircraft list. So we could have gotten one more op in.
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...gentlemen, we just sank a PLAN frigate. We're front page news all around the world.
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Youtube QuickPoints Hostile Ships seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=829s RB15's inbound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=873s Bomb Launch on TLA positions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=1222s J-7 Dogfight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=1354s  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=1445sStoolPigeon Launches the other RB15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=2210s JF-17 Dogfight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=2253s JF-17 Mauser Kill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=2704s SK60B's Attack TLA positions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=2837s SK60B's Attack Chinese Positions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=3087s More Hilarious Rocket Attack Runs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=3551s Paveway Strike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=3638s More Paveways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevbDSq9yrk&t=3946s
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We are now officially a somebody in the geopolitical game. Buy a replacement for the Gripen and order a lot of anti-air kit.
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Quinntan posted:...gentlemen, we just sank a PLAN frigate. We're front page news all around the world. Gonna have to share that headline with the Burmese wasting a 747 for no reason.
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It'll go down as a day of utter madness in the bay. Still think that the shoot down isn't going to be quite as big a deal as the Chinese frigate though. Edit: Yooper, when we were chasing that last JF-17 down, you had a box checked that set our Grip to stay at your set altitude, that's probably why it was just sitting on the back of the JF-17 until it finally climbed up to rtb Quinntan fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Dandywalken posted:I deserved death. I was a transport pilot after all! Ahh poo poo! Just noticed that. My Pilot Request Log is a bit of a mess. If you'd like I'll stick WhiskyDelta69Mk2 into the CN235. Quinntan posted:Edit: Yooper, when we were chasing that last JF-17 down, you had a box checked that set our Grip to stay at your set altitude, that's probably why it was just sitting on the back of the JF-17 until it finally climbed up to rtb Yah, could be. I had that one fighter drop down to 200ft when the others stayed at 36k. So not sure what happened. It all ended well at least. Yooper fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Lessons learned] -Dedicated CAP needs to act like dedicated CAP. Ditching the Meteors for GBU-12s and IRIS-Ts was a mistake. We hamstrung our fighters and it cost us Dandywalken's Gripen. -Keep everyone together. The southern strike force got too strung out and couldn't support each other. If they'd kept formation better, we'd have kept that Gripen. -RB 15s are awesome. Even I underestimated just how great they were. We killed every ship with only one missile eahc. -The RB 60 Saab 105s SUCK. We should sell them and buy something more capable. We either go high-end and buy light fighters (FA-50s, upgraded Kfirs, etc.), modern COIN aircraft (A-29 Super Tucanos with laser-guided bombs), or CAS aircraft (*sigh...Frogfoots...) -We need to get better at Rapid Tempo operations -- not getting the quick turn around and having the Max Profits Gripens wandering around cost us money. I'd intended to have the northern Gripens be airborne over the strikes to be ready to intercept the Chinese -- I should have made it clearer that they shouldn't have been doing wandering CAPs. -The altitude shenanigans at the end cost us a Jf-17 kill. That was a missed opportunity. Triple A posted:We are now officially a somebody in the geopolitical game. Buy a replacement for the Gripen and order a lot of anti-air kit. I would rather like this to stay off the front pages. The good news is that the Burmese and Chinese won't want to admit that we slapped around their navy and air force, so I suspect they're going to keep quiet. The Indians will remember what we did today. I think we're going to get some good future missions after today. And with that 747 shootdown, The Myanamar government is NOT going to look good. Maybe the victim's families will contract us for a revenge mission? Quinntan posted:The Gripen was valued by Klaus and Petersen at $37 million, so in actuality we came out of this up by only two and a bit million. Killing the Chinese SAMs will help us out in the long run. But yeah, that loss sucked and it was probably avoidable.
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Bacarruda posted:Lessons learned I can definitely set a patrol area that follows strike aircraft for example. On top of that I can set a prosecution area to narrow it down so the fighter cover doesn't go chasing seagulls. I set a large patrol area for the Bengal Sea Cap as they were also going to do eyeball duty if needed. Everything just got strung out, it's a big area, even a lot bigger than I thought. Bacarruda posted:-We need to get better at Rapid Tempo operations -- not getting the quick turn around and having the Max Profits Gripens wandering around cost us money. I'd intended to have the northern Gripens be airborne over the strikes to be ready to intercept the Chinese -- I should have made it clearer that they shouldn't have been doing wandering CAPs. We did get both of the JF-17's. Only one J-7 got away. The Quick Turnaround is my fault, I totally forgot the checkbox. Bacarruda posted:I would rather like this to stay off the front pages. The good news is that the Burmese and Chinese won't want to admit that we slapped around their navy and air force, so I suspect they're going to keep quiet. The Myanmar government isn't sure how to proceed at the moment. The Chinese are doing as they always do. Thinking ahead. I'm waiting to hear how the offensive in Nyingchi is going and I'll do an update.
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I told you all we should sell those SK60s!Bacarruda posted:-The altitude shenanigans at the end cost us a Jf-17 kill. That was a missed opportunity. No, that was the second guns kill (hell yeah). Arguably it did lead to the loss of the other Gripen since I'm pretty sure the reason the reinforcing one wasn't firing was that it was way too low to get a lock. Let's just not tell Saab we lost a Gripen to a goddamned Fishbed. e: Also in the age of the internet/twitter I don't know how you hide the destruction of two freighters and a frigate. You just know one of those fishing boats is already posting the thing to Liveleak. power crystals fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Bacarruda posted:-The RB 60 Saab 105s SUCK. We should sell them and buy something more capable. We either go high-end and buy light fighters (FA-50s, upgraded Kfirs, etc.), modern COIN aircraft (A-29 Super Tucanos with laser-guided bombs), or CAS aircraft (*sigh...Frogfoots...) I agree with the 105s sucking, but the replacement shouldn't be Tucanos or more Frogfoots. They're both pretty limited in the environments they can operate in and, in the case of the Tukes, they're also slow as Christmas. Seeing as we're going to have some Russian munitions around though, perhaps we should try to get in touch with the Ivanovs and snap up their Fencers. I don't know if the Burmese are going to want to keep this quiet either. The fact that they lost five aircraft to enemy fighters today gives them... not a particularly strong excuse, but at least a reason why they shot down the 747, claim that it was mistaken for, I dunno, our KC-135 or something. There's also going to be the issue of the two freighters that we sunk, and I don't think anyone is going to want to cover that up.
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sparkmaster posted:You think we could buy a few spare A-10s from the Americans to complement our frogfoots in the CAS role? CAS is a mission and it does not require a specialised platform to conduct it. We already have a number of aircraft either being delivered or already in service that can perform CAS missions. We don't need to add another slow ground attack aircraft (and the A-10 is very slow, not Tucano-tier but close) to our fleet.
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If we had a fast plane with a large bombload, it'd be fantastic for CAS. Speed directly equals turnaround time on sorties. Bombs equal laser guided death.
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Hey my SK60 didn't suck! I think Bandit and myself scored the most reliable rocket hits of any in the air on that mission. Some footage of our Paveway hits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSjJ80WW24w
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chitoryu12 posted:Hey my SK60 didn't suck! I think Bandit and myself scored the most reliable rocket hits of any in the air on that mission. I'd like to point out those MANPADs that don't exist anymore thanks to my rockets  ...but seriously I kind of agree with everyone that we need things that are not unguided rockets.
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