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Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

DStecks posted:

Wait, is this one cohesive thought, or two separate incidents?

Randy Pitchford tweeted about a subreddit for Battleborn porn in a desperate bid for relevancy, and it gets immediately trolled with Overwatch porn. The funny part is that his tweet comes mere hours after the subreddit was created, which made people think that Randy made it himself. :tinfoil:

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DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

My first reaction is that that is loving hilarious.

My second reaction is to imagine being somebody who worked on Battleborn, and to have suffered all the indignities that it did, to top it all off with your own loving boss trying to shill the game by riding the coattails of Overwatch's porn community. Game development is a grueling job that's often fruitless and thankless and lacking in dignity, and at Gearbox you will never forget that.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



DStecks posted:

DNF is like the one thing you can't blame on Gearbox.

yes you can, they decided that piece of poo poo was worth releasing as it was and then they made loving dlc for the goddamn thing

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Randy Pitchford was one of the guys that made Duke Nukem 3D and as such still has a massive boner for Duke Nukem so you can also blame him for Gearbox buying the Duke Nukem IP rights and releasing Forever

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

financially racist posted:

yes you can, they decided that piece of poo poo was worth releasing as it was and then they made loving dlc for the goddamn thing

Alaois posted:

Randy Pitchford was one of the guys that made Duke Nukem 3D and as such still has a massive boner for Duke Nukem so you can also blame him for Gearbox buying the Duke Nukem IP rights and releasing Forever

If they really wanted to make Duke Nukem Forever even close to good, step 1 should've been dumping the drives containing a decade's worth of old builds into the nearest industrial crusher instead of frankensteining an incoherent turd out of them.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

If they really wanted to make Duke Nukem Forever even close to good, step 1 should've been dumping the drives containing a decade's worth of old builds into the nearest industrial crusher instead of frankensteining an incoherent turd out of them.

I would have done a kickstarter, collected millions of dollars, then shipped people an airtight box full of vapor.

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono

Alacron posted:

Randy Pitchford tweeted about a subreddit for Battleborn porn in a desperate bid for relevancy, and it gets immediately trolled with Overwatch porn. The funny part is that his tweet comes mere hours after the subreddit was created, which made people think that Randy made it himself. :tinfoil:

It was one of the funniest, saddest things I'd ever seen.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"
I'm impressed they took a look at Overwatch and still thought "yes, we can beat Blizzard at their own game after it launched to worldwide acclaim" with their halfassed trainwreck.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Neddy Seagoon posted:

I'm impressed they took a look at Overwatch and still thought "yes, we can beat Blizzard at their own game after it launched to worldwide acclaim" with their halfassed trainwreck.

i'm impressed they looked at their own character designs and said "yes, this could make for appealing pornography"

FoldableHuman
Mar 26, 2017

DStecks posted:

DNF is like the one thing you can't blame on Gearbox.

I dunno, I think I'd still blame Gearbox for their approach to the situation. Everyone figured that they were going to grab the IP and quickly bang out a $20 throwback shooter using the existing assets to speed up development.

Turns out they just polished the corners on the existing nightmare that was DNF's state at the time of acquisition and pushed it out the door.

So the specific state of DNF can't be blamed on Gearbox, because they didn't actually make it that way, but we can absolutely blame Gearbox for going "lol, finished game for sale? Sure, we'll take that" and pushing it out the door.

Still, though, part of me is glad they did? Duke Nukem Forever is this awful, but fascinating, interactive archeological dig through the sediment of a decade of shooter design fads.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
DNF is the proto half life 3. It's what we have to look forward to in the far future when Valve's successor company tries to revive the game eight hundred years in the future.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Arcsquad12 posted:

DNF is the proto half life 3. It's what we have to look forward to in the far future when Valve's successor company tries to revive the game eight hundred years in the future.

In the grim darkness of the future, there is only Duke...

DN40K

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Half life 3 is nothing but a kaleidoscope filled with images of seesaws.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Absurd Alhazred posted:

In the grim darkness of the future, there is only Duke...

DN40K

You joke but I would play the poo poo out of that.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Arcsquad12 posted:

You joke but I would play the poo poo out of that.

Duke at genestealer: "COME GET SOME"

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

I still really don't know why people compare(d) Battleborn to Overwatch, it was the most born out of nothing comparison I've seen in a while, outside of just "They both have colorful visuals and the shootbangs" pretty much.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Yardbomb posted:

I still really don't know why people compare(d) Battleborn to Overwatch, it was the most born out of nothing comparison I've seen in a while, outside of just "They both have colorful visuals and the shootbangs" pretty much.

proximity of release + gearbox was mega garbage at properly promoting battleborn

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

Yardbomb posted:

I still really don't know why people compare(d) Battleborn to Overwatch, it was the most born out of nothing comparison I've seen in a while, outside of just "They both have colorful visuals and the shootbangs" pretty much.

They're both multiplayer only FPS games with diverse casts that take cues from MOBA games. Games like this live and die on having a dedicated player base, and being as similar as they are players are generally going to pick one or the other, not both. Being released so close to one another was probably the real nail in the coffin too, if Battleborn had been released months later I think people would have been open to a different flavor of MOBA Shooter and given it chance, but as it was most players looked at both games and decided to save their money for Overwatch.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Yardbomb posted:

I still really don't know why people compare(d) Battleborn to Overwatch, it was the most born out of nothing comparison I've seen in a while, outside of just "They both have colorful visuals and the shootbangs" pretty much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXx8WLfwEKY

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Yardbomb posted:

I still really don't know why people compare(d) Battleborn to Overwatch, it was the most born out of nothing comparison I've seen in a while, outside of just "They both have colorful visuals and the shootbangs" pretty much.

they're both colorful, light hearted, team based FPS games with a character based system rather than class based. They're not really the same game but they're very much the same style, and that's what matters for first impressions. If you're looking at 2 different games that seem very similar, but one is being lauded as one of the best games coming out and one is, at best, getting reviews that boil down to 'eh it's ok? Like, it does it's job reasonably ok?' you're gonna probably get one.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

sexpig by night posted:

they're both colorful, light hearted, team based FPS games with a character based system rather than class based. They're not really the same game but they're very much the same style, and that's what matters for first impressions. If you're looking at 2 different games that seem very similar, but one is being lauded as one of the best games coming out and one is, at best, getting reviews that boil down to 'eh it's ok? Like, it does it's job reasonably ok?' you're gonna probably get one.

Releasing them around the same time didn't help either. Battleborne might have had a chance (quality aside) if Overwatch hadn't just poo poo on their chances with a free test-drive weekend two weeks prior to its launch date.

marathon Stairmaster sesh
Apr 28, 2009

ALL HAIL CEO NUGGET
1988-PRESENT

There's also the fact that they dicked over Interceptor twice. The first time being when they collaberated with Gearbox with a fan recreation of DN3D in between Duke's right purchase and DNF's release.. The project's cancelation eventually lead Interceptor into being noticed by 3D Realms and making the Rise of the Triad reboot.

The second time was a lawsuit between Gearbox and Interceptor over another Duke Nukem game that eventually became Bombshell.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Tired Moritz posted:

Anthony Burch is legit a weirdo though

Being obsessed with 'bad people' is still dumb.

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Alaois posted:

Randy Pitchford was one of the guys that made Duke Nukem 3D and as such still has a massive boner for Duke Nukem so you can also blame him for Gearbox buying the Duke Nukem IP rights and releasing Forever

He didn't directly work on Duke3D, but he was a beta tester for the Atomic Edition.



marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:

There's also the fact that they dicked over Interceptor twice. The first time being when they collaberated with Gearbox with a fan recreation of DN3D in between Duke's right purchase and DNF's release.. The project's cancelation eventually lead Interceptor into being noticed by 3D Realms and making the Rise of the Triad reboot.

The second time was a lawsuit between Gearbox and Interceptor over another Duke Nukem game that eventually became Bombshell.

Even beyond that, Gearbox has a laundry list of instances where they've screwed people over or pulled loathsome stuff. Prior to this, the big complaint was about how they pulled the Megaton Edition of Duke3D (along with most every other Duke game that was on Steam or GOG) and in it's stead, they put out the World Tour re-release, which despite having pretty good contributions from some of the original level designers, had content missing from the Megaton Edition (despite costing more), lacked mod support, and had poor audio. LGR, who is unabashed Duke Nukem fan, didn't think too highly of it.

Before that, there was some controversy with the Android port of Duke3D (The "Hail to the King Collection"). I don't remember all of the details (if you ask over in the Early FPS thread, they might be able to give you a better outline), but Gearbox put the kibosh on the port, which greatly affected the developer. It looks like it got mostly ironed out, but it was still a real ordeal. I did a search, and there's a TechRaptor article detailing it, but like I said, someone in the Early FPS thread might remember more of the details.

Moving away from Duke3D, one of things I don't see people bring up a lot is how Borderlands underwent a style change from it's initial reveal, and that it was ripped off from an animated short film called CodeHunters. There was also an article in PC Gamer a while back where Pitchford talked about doing sequels/follow-ups for Brothers In Arms and Duke Nukem Forever, in which he expresses the idea of outsourcing the work to another developer, which is the same thing that happened with Aliens:CM.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Being obsessed with 'bad people' is still dumb.

bitch, what thread/forum are we in?

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

As we've seen by the people obsessed with CWC, DSP, and Phil Fish. The people surrounding someone perceived as a bad person are always way worse people.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Except for DSP there yeah, he's an actual rear end in a top hat and most of the time that's just people bewildered at how he continues to gently caress up his actual life and it dawning on them that he's not actually acting.

The chris-chan people though have been irredeemable for a while now.

Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Apr 8, 2017

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

He's an rear end in a top hat for sure, but the people who are still actively orbiting him are the same people who hang out on kiwifarms. Also, he made some offshoot statements about the gator thing being stupid when it was relevant (broken clocks and all that) and that brought a lot of gators into the "community" based around making fun of him. I was part of it at this time but decided to bail around the same time when they started harassing a friend of mine for the horrendous crime of being a woman online.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
A friend of mine linked some "Top 10 Cringy DSP Moments 2016" video a little while ago and I was struck at just how petty and indignant it was. Amongst actually embarrassing stuff (the bizarre Staycation he did with his gf and the jerking off on stream incident), most of the entries were really just Phil saying a dumb thing, yet the video and the comments were making them out to be THE WORST THING EVER SAID, especially when it was DSP saying he didn't like a certain game.

The bizarre moralising and indiginity reminded me so much of how creepos on the CWCiki used to talk about Chris-Chan. Trying to justify their searing, obsessive hatred of someone really not worth the effort of bothering with under a guise of moral righteousness.

It was almost like they were... signalling just how more... virtuous they were.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Yardbomb posted:

Except for DSP there yeah, he's an actual rear end in a top hat and most of the time that's just people bewildered at how he continues to gently caress up his actual life and it dawning on them that he's not actually acting.

The chris-chan people though have been irredeemable for a while now.
Yeah the problem isn't whether or not they are an rear end in a top hat. All four of them including Burch are. The problem is that the people mad at them are insanely creepy stalkers.

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015

The curse of internet groupies, they either day a hero normie, or live long enough (about a fortnight) to become a villain.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Gamergate was basically just the Chris-chan model applied to people capable of fighting back and drawing attention to the hosed up thing that was happening to them, which made it that much more fierce.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's possible to occasionally discuss a person being weird and/or a dick without having an obsession with them.

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

Puppy Time posted:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's possible to occasionally discuss a person being weird and/or a dick without having an obsession with them.

poo poo, really?

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Gamergate was basically just the Chris-chan model applied to people capable of fighting back and drawing attention to the hosed up thing that was happening to them, which made it that much more fierce.

You have no idea how pissed off people got when I pointed this out in one of my Sonichu reviews. I think that observation, maybe even more than my donation to Chris, is what turned them against me.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Alaois posted:

Randy Pitchford was one of the guys that made Duke Nukem 3D and as such still has a massive boner for Duke Nukem so you can also blame him for Gearbox buying the Duke Nukem IP rights and releasing Forever

I'm still baffled by their decision to crowbar him into Bulletstorm. The entire marketing for the re-release, not just the G2A stupidity, is a pretty big mess.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


DStecks posted:

You have no idea how pissed off people got when I pointed this out in one of my Sonichu reviews. I think that observation, maybe even more than my donation to Chris, is what turned them against me.

Did any of them say anything interesting? What sort of... I guess "trends" were there, subject wise? Or was it all just "cuck beta SJW" poo poo? I'm always curious whether anyone tries something resembling debate, or they're all just too mad and dumb to do anything but yell their buzzwords.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




I doubt cuck came up too much back then, the usage of that got it's popularity from the Trump campaign and 'cuckservative'.

cat doter
Jul 27, 2006



gonna need more cheese...australia has a lot of crackers
also selling a loving bulletstorm "remaster" (it's a port) for $60 ($50 on PC) is the biggest loving idiot move you could possibly make

that's without the duke poo poo being garbage, which by the way is a pre-order bonus that you'll have to buy separately if you don't pre-order

that whole thing is the biggest goddamn joke

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Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!

Absurd Alhazred posted:

In the grim darkness of the future, there is only Duke...

DN40K

Written by Matt Ward.

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