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Accretionist posted:Ever read up on the Free State Project? It's a constant push for Libertarians to move to NH so they can reach a critical mass and commandeer the state's politics. Thousands have moved and they've gotten people elected. It's called Vermont. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Slashdot is apparently full of conspiracy theorists and trump voters. Check out the comments on any climate change article - posts about Susan Rice felonies and how CO2 is good.
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cowofwar posted:Slashdot is apparently full of conspiracy theorists and trump voters. Check out the comments on any climate change article - posts about Susan Rice felonies and how CO2 is good. it's what plants crave!
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cowofwar posted:Slashdot is apparently full of conspiracy theorists and trump voters. Check out the comments on any climate change article - posts about Susan Rice felonies and how CO2 is good.
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Accretionist posted:Ever read up on the Free State Project? It's a constant push for Libertarians to move to NH so they can reach a critical mass and commandeer the state's politics. Thousands have moved and they've gotten people elected. Well, take a shortcut and just move to Norway. What are they gonna do, the border guards are like five dudes and the country is like warm Alaska, only less populated - they ain't gonna find you.
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cowofwar posted:Slashdot is apparently full of conspiracy theorists and trump voters. Check out the comments on any climate change article - posts about Susan Rice felonies and how CO2 is good. Slashdot still exists?
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Harrow posted:Slashdot still exists? it's the simpsons of tech blogs
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cowofwar posted:Slashdot is apparently full of conspiracy theorists and trump voters. Check out the comments on any climate change article - posts about Susan Rice felonies and how CO2 is good. I hope these are all honeypots by the Global AI that's just collecting names for the great culling. Hey, look at me being positive!
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TildeATH posted:I hope these are all honeypots by the Global AI that's just collecting names for the great culling. Old internet sites where everyone with something better has moved on and where the detritus has remained. Kind of like here.
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cowofwar posted:Old internet sites where everyone with something better has moved on and where the detritus has remained. Kind of like here. This site was always meant to people looking for something awful.
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Article: Climate change is literally turning the Arctic ocean inside out From: Washington Post Date: April 6, 2017 quote:There’s something special — and very counterintuitive — about the Arctic Ocean.
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I'm curious which will happen first: the thermohaline circulation shutting down, or the Arctic going ice-free. I'm guessing the latter but god the  will be unbearable if polar ice retreat is temporarily halted by the former.
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Accretionist posted:Article: Climate change is literally turning the Arctic ocean inside out Yesss we will all die soon 
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Whoa, now that one is interesting data.
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That's actually really cool. In like, an abstract scientific and "wow I didn't know those records existed that far back" sense. It's depressing as hell in the "poo poo we really ruined this planet" sense.
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It literally happened in DC this year too the cherries bloomed in like February
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When do we expect Florida's housing market to be priced according to climate change ? A few pages back said 15-20 years for the sell off point be for getting the gently caress out? I'm wondering maybe it'll take longer, or much sooner, for house prices to plummet in water and in price.
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That's a really hard question to answer. The problem with sea level rise is that most people tend to hear the term and think of the seas kind of slowly coming up and over people's homes, but the real problem is storm surge. There are lots of places where a slightly higher average sea level won't seem like a huge problem until a bad storm comes through and puts a ton of houses underwater. So basically what I'm saying here is that it depends a lot on the weather. If we're unlucky and get a bunch of bad hurricanes or just severe storms smashing into the coast then yeah, the housing market in vulnerable areas will probably get hosed pretty quickly.
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Accretionist posted:Article: Climate change is literally turning the Arctic ocean inside out The Arctic ocean changes remind me of this once more... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWCXOypJh4 The cherry blossom record is pretty awesome. E: Oh goody another El Niño this year, perhaps. 
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Crazycryodude posted:When's NYC gonna turn into the Manhattan Archipelago? I figure around then is when the rich and powerful will start caring. It won't, Manhattan is surprisingly high above sea level. If Antarctic ice sheets start collapsing into the sea en masse the water may get to Wall Street within our lifetimes, but a flood-prone Battery Park is a more likely scenario. The Carolinas and Florida are where major population centers will be affected first.
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Arglebargle III posted:It won't, Manhattan is surprisingly high above sea level. If Antarctic ice sheets start collapsing into the sea en masse the water may get to Wall Street within our lifetimes, but a flood-prone Battery Park is a more likely scenario. The Carolinas and Florida are where major population centers will be affected first. Yea, but like Paradoxish wrote above, the real danger for coastal cities, at least in the next 40-50 years, is not everyday sea levels rising. It's storm surges. Hurricane Sandy should give you a good idea of what kind of damage they can cause. And it will only get worse as time goes by, as hurricanes become stronger due to warming oceans.
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Right. A lot of people don't realize that Hurricane Sandy actually hosed NYC up pretty badly. Like, badly enough that the city would be in real trouble if similar storms came around every four or five years even without sea levels increasing at all. You can't just look at an online sea level rise map and say "oh, nothing is underwater until sea levels go up by a foot or more." That isn't the problem.
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In addition to that, people don't realize that it isn't the mechanical effects of climate change that is going to impact them first. The sudden devaluation of property in coastal areas is going to cause some intense economic shock waves. Even coastal properties which are safe from storm surges will be devalued significantly (entirely). Nobody is going to be buying property after Louisiana and Florida just lost billions of dollars into thin air. No banks are going to give 30 year mortgages when property is losing value NOW. no insurance agency is going to give out insurance to houses that are almost guaranteed to be hosed. This is a depression level event. And it won't be just isolated to one country. If the United States feels a climate change trigged economic recess, every single country is going to experience the exact same thing. In saying that, this would be the best thing that could happen to use. The world is nowhere near the commitment to stay under 2°C. A depression could provide a nice temporary decrease in emissions. protests could lead to political upheaval, and rebuilding efforts would be hopefully be environmentally and climate change conscience. accelerationism_zizek.png 5 minute summary of a lecture describing the upgrading of sea level projections. possibility of 2m by 2100 lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ivlofypzE I don't like to link climatecentral too much, but whatever. this article talks about cities being flooded weekly within decades http://www.climatecentral.org/news/coastal-cities-flood-three-times-a-week-2045-21153
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We all know that Florida property is going to experience "climate effects" and devaluation but we don't know when. At some point the market is going to realize this too. Economic devaluation could happen well before any major or even the worst climate effects.
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it will be interesting to see how humans and other animals evolve to deal with climate change. i predict most mammals lose all their body hair (too hot) and that many will adapt to amphibious lifestyles (webbed feet, dorsal nostrils etc)
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The Age of Mammals is over - witness the Rise of the Jellyfish.
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Calibanibal posted:it will be interesting to see how humans and other animals evolve to deal with climate change. i predict most mammals lose all their body hair (too hot) and that many will adapt to amphibious lifestyles (webbed feet, dorsal nostrils etc) in other words, we have to lose HVAC
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I know that it's a troll post, but evolution takes hundreds of thousands to millions of years and humanity is not going to see any of those changes happen and also they are outright ridiculous and absurd in the first place.
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honestly i agree with chairmaster. we need to start breeding programs for ourselves and other animals to adapt to the post-climate change world. Hairless amphibious cattle could take thousands of years to evolve, but we'll need them in 50 years
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Is this a fat dog?
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Calibanibal posted:honestly i agree with chairmaster. we need to start breeding programs for ourselves and other animals to adapt to the post-climate change world. Hairless amphibious cattle could take thousands of years to evolve, but we'll need them in 50 years Burt Buckle posted:Is this a fat dog?
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Calibanibal posted:honestly i agree with chairmaster. we need to start breeding programs for ourselves and other animals to adapt to the post-climate change world. Hairless amphibious cattle could take thousands of years to evolve, but we'll need them in 50 years My man, may I introduce you to the manatee, which is exactly what you desire, and also soon very extinct sorry about that
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ChairMaster posted:I know that it's a troll post, but evolution takes hundreds of thousands to millions of years and humanity is not going to see any of those changes happen and also they are outright ridiculous and absurd in the first place. Not if there's a gently caress ton of caffeine in the water.
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ChairMaster posted:I know that it's a troll post, but evolution takes hundreds of thousands to millions of years and humanity is not going to see any of those changes happen and also they are outright ridiculous and absurd in the first place.
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BattleMoose posted:We all know that Florida property is going to experience "climate effects" and devaluation but we don't know when. At some point the market is going to realize this too. Economic devaluation could happen well before any major or even the worst climate effects. fwiw this is already solidly underway in part. A couple years ago on vacation I was looking into what it would cost to buy the place I was airbnb'ing, and in talking with the realtor he explained that many of his clients are all-cash buyers because the flood insurance that any mortgage lender would require costs almost as much as the mortgage itself. And to my knowledge, thats with fairly heavy federal subsidization (there was a legal reform on that up at the time that I never followed up on). So basically you have rich foreigners who dgaf about the future just want a nice vacation spot, and you have rich-ish baby boomers who don't give a gently caress cuz they'll be dead in 20 years forming most of the market down there right now (in the nice-enough-to-vacation-there spots). Once the boomers are no longer a net-inflow (which should be like now or within 5 years) and there's any sort of flood insurance adjustment (like after the next big hurricaine) florida real estate will plummet (again). So probably within a decade. StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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I'm hoping for a really strong and badass hurricane season. 
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Predictions right now are actually for a pretty mild hurricane season thanks to a (possible) return of El Niño conditions by late Summer.
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BattleMoose posted:We all know that Florida property is going to experience "climate effects" and devaluation but we don't know when. At some point the market is going to realize this too. Economic devaluation could happen well before any major or even the worst climate effects. Heck, flood insurers are right now, today, starting to go  . It's not a prohibitive impact yet but it's an indicator.drat it hobo
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