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Aren't there some reports of people with lids that aren't completely flat?
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We can't tell if it's non-flat lids or 'baby millennials with low grip strength' who are afraid to torque down the 4 screws on the heatsink. Apparently people have had positive results from uninstalling/reinstalling their heatsink and really tightening the screws.  maybe the pins scared them The 0605 BIOS from 04/01 (there is another, more recent bios that does not include the updated microcode and is just stability/temperature fixes) for the B350 Prime board has been great for me so far. Managed to get my 2x16 DDR4-3000CL15 kit running at 2933 w/ CL18-16-16-34. Refuses to be stable past 4075mhz at any configuration. Single-core scores of 2450+ in CPU-Z feel good but aren't all that useful. After "settling" for 2933 @ 4.05, my minimum frame times are up ~11% over what they were with the 2133/2400 @ 4.2ghz. Spent almost the entire weekend grinding the Quake Champions Beta, was averaging ~140fps, 90-150 according to FRAPS. Ultra everything, 1080p 100% res. Not bad for DX11, but I get the impression the VK experience will be much, much better. IIRC, Stock Geekbench 4 result: https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/2137985 (4264/21198 single/multi core scores) Where I'm at right now: https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/2451303 (4584/24560 single/multi core scores) In other words, 7.5% single-core and 15.8% multi-core increase between 2133@3850 and 2933@4075! (or 1.8%/8% increase vs 2666@4.125) So far, weird things have been happening to enthusiasts loving with their bios firmware manually to push past DDR4-3600. Something to do with having to drop down to PCI-E 2.0 and also potential USB 3 flakiness? I want to say they were pushing BLCK past 115? Crazy things. Let them do all the hard work Definitely don't discount the importance of ram timings, going from 18-18-18-36 to 18-16-16-34 was good for a solid 2% in my loose testing. BIOS lets me input CL17, but just reverts to 18 on boot. Definitely safe to say Ryzen prefers even CL timings. If we can run our ram at the XMP/DOCP speeds and timings that they were made for by the end of May, that'd be pretty neat. I still think some fuckin stupid fast 4233mhz GSKILL CYBER TRIDENT is gonna be the key to actually besting a 6900K in most "real world" tasks once we get the BIOS/Chipset firmware sorted. My multi-core score of 24560 is just 4.8% shy of the 25759 "average" of the 6900K according to the Geekbench 4 processor charts. Considering that the 6900K by itself costs $1099, and I bought this 1800X, H110i, B350 Prime, 2x16 DDR4-3000CL15, & 256GB 600p NVME for ~$980, that's pretty fuckin cool. Do I officially think Intel should be worried? Yes, yes I do. Edit: Double Edit: If you have a specific benchmark you want me to run (like some niche bullshit use case compiling huge open source projects or various encoding/rendering tasks), just make a gist with the most straightforward instructions possible, and direct links to everything I need to do said thing. I ran "ffmpeg.exe -i bbb_sunflower_1080p_60fps_normal.mp4 -c:v libx264 -x264-params "nal-hrd=cbr" -b:v 6M -minrate 6M -maxrate 6M -bufsize 12M -preset veryfast -c:a aac -b:a 128k -report -benchmark output.mp4" for a video goon and managed to encode 6k x264 1080p60 at 251 fps.  excuse the phone picture of a computer screen, was the easiest thing to do in a twitter dm conversation In doing so, I found out that the Intel 600.p NVME is actually NOT FAST ENOUGH to fully utilize the 1800X. I could not get utilization past 78% or so. Was hitting peak sustained write speeds of 540MB/s, which is about all these are good for. In the ~85 Matches of Quake Champions I played, only one person ever loaded into the game faster than I did, and they had the Samsung 960 Evo Pro or whatever. New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Have things sorted out to where we can guess what x370 boards and 16x2 memory kits are going to come together for good speeds as BIOS matures? Or is it a matter of waiting still? I don't plan on bleeding edge overclocking or anything, but with how well Ryzen responds to memory speeds if I get one I want to at least get to that point of diminishing returns.
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Wait until May when AMD releases the official bios fix to all of the motherboard companies so they can release new firmware updates. The difference is significant enough that spending $30-100 more on ram will potentially net you 20%+ perf gains where it counts. That said, it does seem like they're trying to move along a lot faster than that, probably because they're scrambling to iron this poo poo out before the 1500X
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With the R5 release tomorrow, are there still no itx motherboards for Ryzen?
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I assume this means that itx x370 board that Biostar was showing off *still* hasn't made it to market yet?
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New Zealand can eat me posted:Double Edit: If you have a specific benchmark you want me to run (like some niche bullshit use case compiling huge open source projects or various encoding/rendering tasks), just make a gist with the most straightforward instructions possible, and direct links to everything I need to do said thing. Mind helping me running CS:GO and eyeball the average FPS? 1080p, cs_italy, vsync off, -maxplayers_override 36, max bots.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I assume this means that itx x370 board that Biostar was showing off *still* hasn't made it to market yet? It's due sometime this month apparently, with a Gigabyte itx in June.
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Palladium posted:Mind helping me running CS:GO and eyeball the average FPS? 1080p, cs_italy, vsync off, -maxplayers_override 36, max bots. Sorry, this isn't even a benchmark let alone niche bullshit. At least find me a map/script that collects some sort of performance information and documents it.
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Does anyone know when the R5 NDA is lifted? I asked ASRock if they will have any itx and higher than Pro4 spec mATX motherboards for Ryzen and was told "There will be more AMD boards including smaller form factors, although a timeframe isn't clear right now. Computex should see a few new boards launched, but no guarantees. "
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German https://www.computerbase.de/2017-04/amd-ryzen-5-test/ The 1500X, 1600 and 1600X rock. For 60/30$ more there is little reason not to go for the hexacore-X and skip overclocking headaches imho. 720p CPU composite games ranking: 
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sauer kraut posted:German https://www.computerbase.de/2017-04/amd-ryzen-5-test/ The 1600x doesn't include a cooler does it? So there's a bigger price differential.
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No, a 1600X SKU with the top Wraith cooler (no LEDs though) is apparently planned. 1600X has the 20° temp offset, too while the 65W TDP ones do not.
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The 1600X and 1600 seem like great values overall. Whats needed now is binning figures on the R5's to see how many hit 4.0 ghz reliably, and some direct comparisons to the 4.8ghz kaby lakes with both OC to the moon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8bRqdFGCf0 Some streaming comparisons in cpu encode, results as expected. Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Apr 11, 2017 15:32
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lol wtf
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3peat posted:lol wtf It seems like the 480 is just much better in Rocket League, so it becomes the bottleneck, making the Intel and AMD CPUs fall into a tight cluster that's probably in the margin of error. Edit: just a guess at first glance HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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3peat posted:lol wtf Buy AMD!  Really though, is Rocket League twitchy enough that you need >60FPS? Fantastic game, but does it need CS:GO levels of FPS?
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Ars makes guesses about what's happening in the various patches coming out: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/game-patches-boost-performance-on-ryzen-showing-just-what-can-and-cant-be-done/
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Rocket League is DX9, let's imagine :amd: for a second and the answer is clear
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3peat posted:lol wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIoZB-cnjc0 nvidia vs amd drivers are talked about in this video.
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Now I want to see 1600X bundled with the upcoming RX580s for $425.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Buy AMD! Why wouldn't you want 144Hz for everything?
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taqueso posted:Why wouldn't you want 144Hz for everything? Seriously, it's so nice.
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taqueso posted:Why wouldn't you want 144Hz for everything?
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/r/buildapc seems like they're having a very positive reaction to the R5 launch. TL;DR GN is saying i5 is still worth having if you already bought one, but the equivalently priced R5 is the way to go
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NewFatMike posted:/r/buildapc seems like they're having a very positive reaction to the R5 launch. Yeah, the 1500X and 1600 both look like great value CPUs. Kudos to AMD!
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That's what I am getting from most of the Reviews. Looks like the R7's took the brunt of some of the kinks and the R5's came in with a little bit of optimizations and a comfortable market to pummel with more cores than are offered by Intel in the same price range. Really look forward to what the Mobile market might have when it gets to them.
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So whats the take from these overclocked with fast ram, vs a 6600k / 7600K at around 4.8Ghz with fast ram?
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:So whats the take from these overclocked with fast ram, vs a 6600k / 7600K at around 4.8Ghz with fast ram? More cores, way more threads, slower single threaded. Same story as the R7s, but cheaper?
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EdEddnEddy posted:Really look forward to what the Mobile market might have when it gets to them.  in intel's pants in laptopsespecially with the undervolted ryzen 1800x at 3ghz running at 30-35w stable
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Just for gaming? Probably single digit percentages in most cases. Gaming+streaming/productivity? Fairly good gains, probably 10%+* I wouldn't upgrade. Haswell/later don't get a ton of benefits, check back in 2021? E: Those R7 30-35W numbers for Cinebench still get me tingly re: laptops NewFatMike fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Twerk from Home posted:More cores, way more threads, slower single threaded. Same story as the R7s, but cheaper? They're mentioning frametimes - but I didn't see what Ram speed they were running on the intel systems to get a real idea about the implications. E - are they running the Intel systems at 2133Mhz RAMs? They mention AMD Ram speed but not Intel in all the charts? GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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NewFatMike posted:I wouldn't upgrade. Haswell/later don't get a ton of benefits, check back in 2021? Basically this except if you need productivity then go 1700 or 1600x and OC it, and I think the 1600x beat the 1700.
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NewFatMike posted:Just for gaming? Probably single digit percentages in most cases. Ha you guys are on Haswell or later? I'm looking at upgrading TO a 4790k because I can get one for cheap.
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Just a heads up about that AMD vs I5 article : I commented on the article asking for the Intel memory speeds used, and they DELETED MY COMMENT.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Just a heads up about that AMD vs I5 article : Sigh
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It's really likely I missed something and they are there, but I thought that was weird of them. Did I dumb?
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Not that I know of. Deleting requests for more info is boneheaded
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