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Finally watched the finale and the only thing I didn't like was Rustal suddenly deciding to democratise Gjallarhorn with no apparent reason or effort shown. The show would have been a lot stronger if Kudelia hadn't been sidelined and we'd actually seen the work put in during the timeskip to make the world better. Other than that, good ending, though.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 20:00 |
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# ? May 11, 2024 14:47 |
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I am writing a fan fiction where Rustal is the one who dies and Iok democratizes Gjallarhorn.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:03 |
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Snooze Cruise posted:I am writing a fan fiction where Rustal is the one who dies and Iok democratizes Gjallarhorn. We'd get Space Trump within two terms.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:04 |
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Monaghan posted:I liked the ending a lot. They should have given more hints to rustal's plan though as it's kind of abrupt. It's not the worse thing in the world. yea I appreciate that it didn't pull its punches on that at the end. all of the main characters (mikazuki, orga, mcgillis) die and the best any of them accomplish is letting the rest of tekkadan escape into hiding
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:30 |
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Though it is implied that Rustal knows that Tekkaden's surviors are under Kudellia. He just does not care, cause they are officially dead and that is good enough for him. Also has there ever been a gundam series were the main antagonist outright wins and never dies.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:36 |
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I forget, did we ever get to see like, anything of Gaelio's sister in the ending?
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:37 |
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last time we see her is talking to her dad about mcgillis before he dies. it was a weird omission
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 21:46 |
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Gyra_Solune posted:not only that, but making it so that default option doesn't turn them into instant high-tier pilots of insanely powerful mobile suits that can tear apart entire armies and keep going after they've been functionally nuked from orbit I don't really buy Rustal viewing Tekkadan as truly dangerous from a military standpoint. For all the fury and power of Tekkadan, they achieved basically nothing of value in their battle with Arianhrod and got completely wrecked for their trouble; the only time they ever presented anything resembling a threat was during Shino's failed assassination run, and the ease at which Rustal fended off McGillis trying to pull the same thing later on suggests it is a mistake Rustal realized and corrected for. His language when he orders the Dainsleifs to be fired on Mika/Akihiro is one of complete control. They're mad, rabid dogs, but he has the means to put them down with little effort or cost on his part if he wills it. It's a direct repeat of McGillis's final stand; McGillis is a lunatic who goes to his death believing he's the strongest man in the world and all of his opponents are dumbstruck by his power, but in reality the only reason he's still alive is because Rustal finds it amusing and interesting to see him fight Gaelio. Individual power is meaningless compared to coordinated group action. Rustal's decision to help Kudelia outlaw human debris is a practical one for someone who is stability-minded. It's pretty difficult to foster a stable standard of living that breeds law-abiding citizens when children are living in such poverty that their only way to survive is to sell themselves into menial slavery. Caros posted:Crushing them utterly was important to reestablish the legitimacy of gjallerhorn as king poo poo, which was the only reason the reforms could be passed in the first place. Tekkadan was only important in the grand scheme of things to Rustal because of their decision to back McGillis. Rustal doesn't really give a poo poo about child soldiers in particular. It's established by the start of S2 that there are dozens of mercenary organizations in the setting utilizing child soldiers with AV hookups as cannon fodder and Rustal didn't give a poo poo about crushing any of them; obliterating Tekkadan was only necessary because they decided to throw in with McGillis and stuck with him even after his initial defeat. This allowed him to publicly defame them as mad dogs who needed to be put down for the sake of peace and security. He would have done the exact same thing if the people working with McGillis were instead the Brewers or the Dawn Horizon Corps or Jasley's Teiwaz or literally anyone else.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:09 |
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Manatee Cannon posted:last time we see her is talking to her dad about mcgillis before he dies. it was a weird omission Yeah, that';s weird, I'd have at least expected a shot of her all Miss Havisham in her abandoned mansion cradling Macky's bloodstained bandage or something.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 22:24 |
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, that';s weird, I'd have at least expected a shot of her all Miss Havisham in her abandoned mansion cradling Macky's bloodstained bandage or something. Opens up the possibilities for her going crazy etc using her name to build a new civil war etc, and then in 10 years little Mika has to deal with her in the hybrid Barbatos/Guison. (Also they literally just combined the working bits of Bael and Kimaris together to make a functional gundam didn't they?)
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 23:46 |
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Pretty happy with the ending. Like, everyone wins in their own way. Even the ones who didn't make it. I hope I'm not the only person who went "Aww" when Eugene chided Chad for wanting to spend time with Yamagi.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 03:17 |
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AtomikKrab posted:(Also they literally just combined the working bits of Bael and Kimaris together to make a functional gundam didn't they?) It's just straight up Bael, but heavily restrained and with the entire cockpit block removed.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 03:20 |
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Zebulon posted:It's just straight up Bael, but heavily restrained and with the entire cockpit block removed. Ah so no one can ever use it again.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 04:33 |
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Psycho Landlord posted:I just want to say that I'm really glad there wasn't some eleventh-hour Mobile Armor bullshit. But that's what Mika was! MonsterEnvy posted:Also has there ever been a gundam series were the main antagonist outright wins and never dies. I mean TECHNICALLY speaking the villian here did die (McGillis), and our big final clash was 'the devil' tearing things to shreds before finally succumbing to it's own wounds. What's interesting here is Season 2 as a whole has pretty effectively vilified Mika and showed that ANYONE who chased after his kind of power would get burned by it. He wasn't necessarily an evil, but everyone who saw him saw how much better he was at fighting, and how it took him little effort to do well. Everyone who chased it died. Orga, McGillis, Hush too. His final fight was him literally letting the devil loose on his body while he finally just played around, destroying his body in the process. He's not necessarily the bad guy of the show, but he's the devil of Ghallarhorn, and in the end became the Mobile Armor everyone was scared to death of. That doesn't stop me from admiring just how loving cool that fight was and just how much fun Barbatos Lupus Rex is with all it's neat little gadgets and weapons, though. Diabetes Forecast fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Diabetes Forecast posted:But that's what Mika was! And Julieta, the only character to explicitly reject his power, survived pretty much unscathed. Kind of clever.
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chiasaur11 posted:And Julieta, the only character to explicitly reject his power, survived pretty much unscathed. Kind of clever. A lot of that is due to Julieta being smart enough to recognize that fighting Mika is an extremely bad idea.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 11:03 |
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Hunt11 posted:A lot of that is due to Julieta being smart enough to recognize that fighting Mika is an extremely bad idea.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:40 |
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Schneider Heim posted:Pretty happy with the ending. Like, everyone wins in their own way. Even the ones who didn't make it. I'm a little disappointed that Yamagi didn't get any scenes in the last episode. I'm happy that he seems to have a life, but it'd be great to see him in more than just a still image at the end.
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# ? Apr 5, 2017 07:04 |
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I think one thing we can all definitely agree on is that this series had a really good soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM62_ot7rdc
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# ? Apr 5, 2017 17:16 |
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Iok's justice = best justice
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# ? Apr 8, 2017 08:26 |
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There's a new IBO interview out, if anyone can read Japanese.
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# ? Apr 9, 2017 18:22 |
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I don't, but experience is making google translate slightly less nonsensical. Basically, it's giving the same information as previous interviews. The director's original plan for the ending was to wipe out Tekkadan entirely (live by the sword...), but a number of people on the staff, most prominently Mari Okada, thought that was a bad call because the viewers had a lot invested in everyone's favorite murderous psychos (and, you know, a lot of the staff did too). The current ending was a compromise, after a lot of discussion about how to bring the plane in for a bumpy landing instead of just ramming the sucker. There's going to be more details in the official guidebook released June tenth, and some interviews in Newtype. But yeah. It's interesting the first Gundam series to straight up no question off its protagonists is also the one where they changed the ending to make it less of a downer.
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# ? Apr 9, 2017 23:42 |
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Wait, so Okada fought for and got us a happier ending?
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 00:26 |
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Wark Say posted:Wait, so Okada fought for and got us a happier ending? Listen to me and you shall hear, news hath not been this thousand year: Since Herod, Caesar, and many more, you never heard the like before. Holy-dayes are despis'd, new fashions are devis'd. Old Christmas is kickt out of Town. Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 00:39 |
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Wark Say posted:Wait, so Okada fought for and got us a happier ending? You've seen her other original work, right? Lady has always been a big ol' romantic.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 00:41 |
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Darth Walrus posted:You've seen her other original work, right? Lady has always been a big ol' romantic. Urobuchi is an edgelord. Yoshino and Okouchi are a buncha' mouthy smartypants. Uezu is a weirdo but at the same time is a big ol' softie. Kobayashi understands JoJo better than a ton of self-proclaimed JoJo experts. What I've come to understand from Okada is that, while she does have a thing for good ol' drama, her works can be hard to peg down. IBO is definitely my favorite on her résumé as of right now, though.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 01:52 |
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According to a translation of this made by someone on 4chan's /m/quote:Gaelio was paralyzed after Macky attacked him at the end of Season 1, was able to walk thanks to Eined up AV system. He got rid of AV after the end and is now paralysed again. In addition, not sure what the source is, and this is just a nice "what if" anyways, but apparently someone confirmed that if Shino survived he would've eventually married Yamagi, taking his last name
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:02 |
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The bit about the AV seems to run counter to how it works everywhere else in the show. He didn't have to be plugged into Vidar to walk around.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:10 |
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the system he was using was different from what tekkadan used; mcgillis says that was specifically designed to allow him to use bael. remember that hush couldn't even get the surgery for it because he was too old at 17, so that's another difference
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:14 |
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Midjack posted:The bit about the AV seems to run counter to how it works everywhere else in the show. He didn't have to be plugged into Vidar to walk around. He was suspiciously attached to his armour - I don't think we ever saw him out of it. Some sort of A-V-controlled exoskeleton? We know from the side-story manga that artificial limbs use similar technology to the A-V system.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:15 |
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They definitely emphasized the vast difference between all-the-money gallyhorn with AV technology and ghetto-garbage on what Tekkadan was using, since no one on their side used it in Teiwaz.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:15 |
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RottenK posted:According to a translation of this made by someone on 4chan's /m/ "Almaria went crazy after McGillis died but not enough for us to show onscreen or anything" is kinda dumb.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:18 |
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on 4chan some people said that in some.. interview with a voice actor i think, it was said that Gaelio's voice actor had influence on the story because Okada is his fan or something like that, and he heavily pushed for a happy ending for his character I have literally zero idea if there's any truth to any of that, but i guess that could explain why we didn't see purple man's little sister going mad with grief
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:28 |
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RottenK posted:on 4chan some people said that in some.. interview with a voice actor i think, it was said that Gaelio's voice actor had influence on the story because Okada is his fan or something like that, and he heavily pushed for a happy ending for his character It's pretty likely. Gundam (and anime series in general) have a habit of making adjustments for popular voice actors. It's why Andy Wartfelt survived in SEED and why Jermiah became The Most Important Man In The World in Geass.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:30 |
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I'm not sure if I would have preferred the ending in which they all die and didn't accomplish anything. It's a tough call as it'd be a huge departure from a gundam show. It would be sobering that these kids who could have had everything lost it all because they tried to go too hard, too fast.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:48 |
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it'd be a poo poo ending
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:51 |
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they may not have all died, but tekkadan still never accomplished anything
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:53 |
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RottenK posted:it'd be a poo poo ending I'd say the opposite, the current ending is way too forced and happy for the rest of the show and the original ending makes more sense even if it isn't as crowd-pleasing.
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# ? Apr 10, 2017 03:54 |
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Manatee Cannon posted:they may not have all died, but tekkadan still never accomplished anything Tekkadan and Mcgillis are directly responsible for destroying half of the seven stars, which pretty much led to the reforms.
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So this solidifies to never hire Okada again for any project
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