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Wild Horses posted:having a big love and solidarity festival a couple meters away from the place where people died and got wounded seemed a bit insensitive. Not even a day of mourning? 
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skipThings posted:you know you are advocating for literal concentration camps, right ? There's a hell of a difference between detention centers for people that's about to be sent back to where they belong and concentration camps that are designed to exterminate people. But I guess in leftist fantasy world they're all the same and everyone who wants to a responsible immigration policy instead of the current chaos are nazis.
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Apr 9, 2017 21:04
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Mercrom posted:People die every day bud. The difference this time is that some guy killed specifically to suppress our society by making a whole nation mourn 4 random strangers, to create fear by having it be the focus of the media 24/7, and to create hatred and mistrust among races and political parties who blame each other. Please don't judge other people for not following the script. yeah that. Or maybe people are just unable to cope with feeling sad for a couple of measly days. Gotta push those feelings away, gotta be positive, these guys in charge said it was alright also its not "every day" that innocents are killed in absurd islamic terror. It's actually a first in sweden Wild Horses fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 21:05
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Beeswax posted:The Stockholm Incident: a story so juicy it brings the dessicated corpse of Ligur back from the dead. Yeah I thought it was him I had heard about so long ago. I'll keep my distance.
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Apr 9, 2017 21:07
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Wild Horses posted:yeah that. Or maybe people are just unable to cope with feeling sad for a couple of measly days. No one is denying people the right to grieve. If you don't feel like going to a big peace & love rally or whatever, then no one is making you. Everyone deals with these things in their own way. It's not rocket science. Beeswax fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 21:14
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:There's a hell of a difference between detention centers for people that's about to be sent back to where they belong and concentration camps that are designed to exterminate people. But I guess in leftist fantasy world they're all the same and everyone who wants to a responsible immigration policy instead of the current chaos are nazis. Tha Nauru "detention camps" are very much concentration camps, not extermination camps, but the people there are forgotten and will die there, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about but in fantasy "law and order"land you are inhabiting, letting people suffer indefinitely for the crime of being born in the wrong place, is just fine Nothing you are talking about is "responsible" taking responsibility for the displace people of the global south would look very differently
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Apr 9, 2017 21:24
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Wild Horses posted:yeah that. Or maybe people are just unable to cope with feeling sad for a couple of measly days. The people in charge are not saying things are alright. The prime minister said this was an attack on the nation. But the only way one person can attack a whole nation by himself is if we make it true through paranoia.
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Apr 9, 2017 21:33
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Mercrom posted:It's the price of freedom. And globalism. Sweden can not be part of the same world as IS and not be affected by them. We have to live with terrorism in all it's forms until we find a solution, just like we have to live with cancer or automobile accidents. I guess somehow It's a justified reaction. And logical one i guess... But i still feel disgust, especially when thinking about that girl. Killed in a stupid ideological war for no reason. Seeing all those happy faces a couple days after the fact filled me with bile all the same
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Apr 9, 2017 21:43
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Alhazred posted:Cardiac's attempts to score political points isn't exactly less disgusting, only a little bit more subtle. What did he say that was so disgusting? That people denied asylum should have no right staying in a country? Wild Horses posted:yeah that. Or maybe people are just unable to cope with feeling sad for a couple of measly days. Victims of terrorist attacks this week: Russia 13 Pakistan 11 Iraq 44 Somalia 41 Nigeria 7 Sweden 4 Egypt 43 Mali 5 Norway 0 (averted a bomb on the main station in Oslo)
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Apr 10, 2017 00:07
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Mordekai posted:Norway 0 (averted a bomb on the main station in Oslo) Our wonderful (not radical left) media told us he was Russian. The fuckers did not have the guts to tell us that he was Chechen. I wonder why... I feel sick about the fact that we help such vermin. We should have let the Russians deal with him. 
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Apr 10, 2017 09:12
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Heinz Hynkel posted:Our wonderful (not radical left) media told us he was Russian. The fuckers did not have the guts to tell us that he was Chechen. I wonder why... You're beyond insane if you think Norwegian news media is "radical left"
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Apr 10, 2017 09:54
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Heinz Hynkel posted:Our wonderful (not radical left) media told us he was Russian. The fuckers did not have the guts to tell us that he was Chechen. I wonder why... Sånn som Putin holder på er det bare et tidsspørsmål før vi alle er russiske, tovaritsh. Og du må gjerne dele på kildene som sier at han ikke er russisk statsborger.
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Apr 10, 2017 10:09
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Jeg er veldig usikker på om jeg gidder å lese Nyhetsspeilet eller Document eller hva faen Livet er for kort til å kaste bort på nazinytt
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Apr 10, 2017 10:18
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Kopijeger posted:How does he do that from beyond the grave? Oh, that's right. Hard to keep track of all the vassals. Doesn't change my argument, though.
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Apr 10, 2017 10:35
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Wild Horses posted:having a big love and solidarity festival a couple meters away from the place where people died and got wounded seemed a bit insensitive. Not even a day of mourning? I feel the exact opposite. The terrormans want to see you cry and be miserable It's way cooler if we all join hands and give the middle finger to the mongoloids who drive cars into crowds
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Apr 10, 2017 10:57
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Zzulu posted:
That is nice and cute but I think you should rather do something about this http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/den-mistenkte-terroristen-fikk-asylavslag-og-forsvant-han-var-n-av-12-000-politiet-ikke-vet-hvor-er/67477174 instead of feel-good stuff. Do you really think the terrorists gives a poo poo? They want to kill infidels and that's it. "Svensk politi har 12 000 navn på en liste over asylsøkere som har fått et utvisningsvedtak og deretter forsvunnet."
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Apr 10, 2017 11:17
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Heinz Hynkel posted:That is nice and cute but I think you should rather do something about this http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/den-mistenkte-terroristen-fikk-asylavslag-og-forsvant-han-var-n-av-12-000-politiet-ikke-vet-hvor-er/67477174 One thing does not rule out the other. A peace & love rally does not rule out trying to improve counter-terrorism routines. I was going to say that you know this and are just parroting your usual garbage to get a rise out of people, but I suspect that you might actually be too god drat dumb to grasp the notion of doing a thing and another thing. Seriously, your latest spate of posting makes some of the other right-wing spooks in here look like some sort of philospher kings by comparison.
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Apr 10, 2017 11:34
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Actual footage of Heinz Hynkel
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Apr 10, 2017 11:35
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Beeswax posted:One thing does not rule out the other. A peace & love rally does not rule out trying to improve counter-terrorism routines. Well do that other thing then. You have not been doing it so far.
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Apr 10, 2017 11:38
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Heinz Hynkel posted:Well do that other thing then. You have not been doing it so far. It takes time to pass a law.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:07
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Heinz Hynkel posted:That is nice and cute but I think you should rather do something about this http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/den-mistenkte-terroristen-fikk-asylavslag-og-forsvant-han-var-n-av-12-000-politiet-ikke-vet-hvor-er/67477174 What's the average joe supposed to do about this. It's up to the politicians and police to figure that poo poo out The average joe can give the middlefinger and thats it
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Apr 10, 2017 12:12
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Zzulu posted:What's the average joe supposed to do about this. It's up to the politicians and police to figure that poo poo out You got a vote and can use that. About that middlefinger; push it up the arse of your useless politicians in power. Then force them to smell it.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:16
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:It takes time to pass a law. Should have been done a long time ago and that is the problem. Swedish politicians and media has pretended that all is well but it is not. We got the same problem in Norway but far less of it. I guess we should be thankful for the Swedes to show us what happens if you ignore immigrant/asylum problems. Not talking about that awful terror attack.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:20
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Thank god we have an intellectually challenged Norwegian to lecture us, random nerds on the internet, about what our politicians should do. We'll get right on that.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:24
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Well I mean they didn't ignore teh asylum thing, they correctly identified this individual as a risk. The failure was in the procedures thereafter. Clearly they need better procedures for making sure these people don't just kind of hang around but actually leave once they've been rejected
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Apr 10, 2017 12:25
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Zzulu posted:Well I mean they didn't ignore teh asylum thing, they correctly identified this individual as a risk. The failure was in the procedures thereafter. Clearly they need better procedures for making sure these people don't just kind of hang around but actually leave once they've been rejected Need to put rejected people in camps (no, not death camps or anything silly like that) until they can be sent out. I really don't understand why the Scandinavian countries has not done that already. You can also putting a tracker on them, like we do with criminals that get to be home instead of prison. Its nothing inhumane about either of those methods.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:31
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Beeswax posted:Thank god we have an intellectually challenged Norwegian to lecture us, random nerds on the internet, about what our politicians should do. We'll get right on that. No problem. Happy to help. Its clear that your politicians badly needs help. They have done an awful job with immigration and the refugee crisis.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:33
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Beeswax posted:Actual footage of Heinz Hynkel
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Heinz Hynkel posted:No problem. Happy to help. Its clear that your politicians badly needs help. They have done an awful job with immigration and the refugee crisis. Good thing you've picked this, the most useful of channels, to relay your wisdom to them.
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Apr 10, 2017 12:59
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Beeswax posted:Good thing you've picked this, the most useful of channels, to relay your wisdom to them. I cannot do that, the Swedes need to do that.
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Apr 10, 2017 13:07
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Mordekai posted:What did he say that was so disgusting? That people denied asylum should have no right staying in a country? This is by the way the Swedish law, if you have no legal right to be in Sweden, you should by law be expelled. But I guess the idea that someone should follow the law is controversial. The way I see it, we have probably the most generous asylum system in the world with a significantly higher ratio of accepted asylum applications per capita than any other comparable country. People are granted asylum not just based on whether they are refugees as deemed by UN, but also based on our own defined standards for humanitarian need, which is also very generous. Asylum seekers also have multiple attempts to appeal a rejected asylum application. As for the reapplications of asylum, you can avoid the police for long enough time to reapply while still getting access to healthcare and schools. Hiding doesn't disqualify for a later reapplication, but might strengthen it since you can get closer connections to Sweden through your children. This basically tells me that if you are rejected asylum in Sweden, you have passed through so many tests that you almost certainly have no valid reason for asylum. To exemplify this, one of our largest groups of asylum seekers are people from former Yugoslavia (like Kosovo), who have a very high rejection rate in their asylum requests (since being poor is not a reason for asylum), but they go into hiding upon rejection since we have large populations of former asylum seekers from these countries and thus there are ways for these to stay in Sweden by relatives living here.
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Apr 10, 2017 13:56
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Cardiac posted:This is by the way the Swedish law, if you have no legal right to be in Sweden, you should by law be expelled. See here for example. "Looking like a swarthy foreigner" isn't probable cause to detain someone to verify their identity, it's racial profiling, and that's not legal. Outsourcing torture or capital punishment by expelling people to countries which are likely to do that to them is also illegal (probably unconstitutional, in fact - yes I know there's precedent with Anna Lindh's infamous Egyptians, but cabinet level geopolitical fuckery is what it is). Expelling people to countries who will not accept their own citizens back isn't really practically doable at all but even if it was it'd effectively be making them stateless, which is, guess what, illegal too (by international convention, no less). Uzbekistan is one of the countries to which we do not expel people by force, for these reasons. Sending the police to deliver the message that right of residence has been denied and taking the poor schmuck into custody immediately instead of letting them go underground is an obvious thing that was already proposed as a law change last year, but I'm unsure of its status as of right now. So, what do? It's either put them in camps/prison forever - which is a braindamaged and expensive non-solution even from a purely practical standpoint, basic loving human decency notwithstanding - or give up and let them stay if expelling them is not possible (but merely going underground is just delaying it, not making it impossible). Indefinite detainment or this limbo state where they can neither leave nor stay legally are just very good ways of creating future problems, so the only pragmatic solution is to let them stay and hopefully become productive members of socitey. Being impossible to expel because your home country is a shithole isn't even your fault, so it's not like you even broke the law. This solution is currently under investigation, by the way. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Apr 10, 2017 17:56
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You talk a lot of sense for a seagull. Good post!
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Apr 10, 2017 18:06
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Nevermind it's utterly pointless arguing with left wingers who will lose next election anyway when reality continue to catch up to Sweden.
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:Nevermind it's utterly pointless arguing with left wingers who will lose next election anyway when reality continue to catch up to Sweden. You're just a FYGM thinker but can't even admit that much. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:Nevermind it's utterly pointless arguing with left wingers who will lose next election anyway when reality continue to catch up to Sweden. We would take you more seriously if your example of a proper policy solution wasn't Australia's, drowning in human rights abuses I might add, literal concentration camps.
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:What a bunch of utter bullshit, idiotic arguments like that will only keep Sweden unsafe and all but guarantee that SD will become the largest party. The obvious solution is to just have refugee centers outside the EU and have the same rules as Australia, nobody that goes to Europe with boat gets to stay instead only people who gets asylum at local refugee centers. This will also stop the massive streams of people coming in. Your retarded solutions only continue to encourage mass migration of economic immigrants that have nothing at all to do here like this terrorist Uzbeki. Also Reva needs to be restarded again, the "racial profiling" argument is utter bullshit since guess what most illegals don't look like Swedes. quoting the text that was there before the edit yes, we understand that you are incredibly racist and really like the idea of putting people in camps, thank you no, this still isn't a practical solution at all no matter how much you jerk off to imprisoning people indefinitely for no really good reason, since these people won't just disappear unless you're arguing for literally gassing them
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Seriously though, gently caress anyone who actually thinks that we should look to motherfucking Australia when it comes to how we should treat refugees
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BUT THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE SWEDES
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evil_bunnY posted:BUT THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE SWEDES Good for them 
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