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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Isn't there some kind of "sectioning" for people like this where they are compelled to get help that they would otherwise refuse?
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Had a chuckle at this - Should Scotland join Canada I like Canada a lot. Their politics is good at the moment, all the Canadians I have met are good and cool, they are a bit French which is clearly the second best nationality after Scottish and it's warm in the summer and bloody cold in the winter. Their beer is also excellent. However something about it also makes me slightly uncomfortable, it's too close to the Brexit cheerleader's calls to re-engage with the Commonwealth. In the full knowledge that this is never going to happen I was wondering what the thread's perspective is? You don't need an international relations major to see ideological fault-lines appearing between nations and multinational blocks globally, is this something Scottish nationalism should embrace or reject? One of my major reasons for starting to lean yes from a strong no position is that I feel the UK is on the wrong side of a widening chasm, but the fault lines may change as the have done dramatically over the last 12 months and to pick sides risks alienating good people in (currently) not so good places. As the post above suggests we would have welcomed the US with open arms a matter of months ago. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:46
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Zalakwe posted:Had a chuckle at this - Should Scotland join Canada Canada only looks good because it's on top of America. It's just another lovely neo-liberal country with better PR. Trudeau is Blair before Blair got a hate-boner for Middle Eastern adventurism. Sturgeon probably likes him. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:49
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Their PR is certainly better looking. Scotland is hardly a glittering Utopia either but benefits heavily from not being England. I understand what you're saying but would following it through to its conclusion not leave us completely isolated? Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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Apr 7, 2017 13:11
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We only did the wars of independence in secondary, which was completely just my lovely S1 history teacher complaining about Braveheart. A bit rubbish. We did the Highland Clearances though (the same year as the wars of the roses, how very pointless!) and I remember being stunned at uni when a lot of my class didn't even know what the Clearances were. I think the Jacobites was that year too - I have fond memories of making my own targe  I think we did something about Mary Q of S, though that may have just been that one of my teachers encouraged us to read a ton of Mollie Hunter books (I really must get round to acquiring some of them again)....thinking about this in more detail, we definitely did, because I remember eating in Rizzios in Stirling (not there any more but was an Italian at the Highland hotel) and putting my mum off her pudding by extoling how it was named after MQofS's brutally murdered secretary in lots of detail (we got to colour in a picture of it!) We did do a Scottish language thing with some blokes coming in to school to lead it in Primary 7. Think it was related to some national project. For literature, beyond the Mollie Hunter in primary, it very much depended on which English teacher we got. We did The White Bird Passes at Standard Grade, a couple of Liz Lochhead poems at Higher along with the same Norman McCaig poems every Higher English kid does. No Sunset Song though! It's quite interesting to compare what's on the text list for the Scottish sections of the new Nat 5 and Higher actually. I remember winning a prize in S2 on Burns Night for knowing more lyrics to Auld Lang Syne than any other pair (and it was pretty shocking how little I remembered tbh)
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Apr 7, 2017 13:34
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Obama has killed more afghani children than Blair did in Iraq tbh. Same with Yemenese children. Probably magnitudes more. It's not an insane position to protest against him.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:21
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When I was at Primary School we did the Wars of Independence almost exclusively from what I can remember but I was in Stirling and the school was literally a minutes walk away from one of the suggested sites of the Battle of Bamnockburn (and the one where they do all of the reconstructions and where they built the museum for it a few years back) so that's only natural. First year history was all ancient history from the beginning of civilisation in Scotland; and all I remember from second year history was that we jumped around a lot and did nothing in any real depth. Int 2 and Higher history was Scottish and British social history in the early 20th century (so voting reforms, creation of the welfare state; Red Clydeside, that sort of stuff), inter-war Germany (which was literally all we did for Advanced Higher, my big piece of work was on the Foreign Policies of Gustav Stresemann) and the Civil Rights Movement in America. Those seem to be the three most popular ones in my experience. Then I went to uni and studied Central and East European Studies and Politics, which was nothing to do with any high school history...
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Apr 7, 2017 17:55
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IceAgeComing posted:When I was at Primary School we did the Wars of Independence almost exclusively from what I can remember but I was in Stirling and the school was literally a minutes walk away from one of the suggested sites of the Battle of Bamnockburn (and the one where they do all of the reconstructions and where they built the museum for it a few years back) so that's only natural. First year history was all ancient history from the beginning of civilisation in Scotland; and all I remember from second year history was that we jumped around a lot and did nothing in any real depth. Int 2 and Higher history was Scottish and British social history in the early 20th century (so voting reforms, creation of the welfare state; Red Clydeside, that sort of stuff), inter-war Germany (which was literally all we did for Advanced Higher, my big piece of work was on the Foreign Policies of Gustav Stresemann) and the Civil Rights Movement in America. Those seem to be the three most popular ones in my experience. Jesus I wish I did History for S Grade & Higher. Stupid younger me, not knowing what would interest older me.
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Apr 7, 2017 18:04
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Hoops posted:Obama has killed more afghani children than Blair did in Iraq tbh. Same with Yemenese children. Probably magnitudes more. It's not an insane position to protest against him. Barack obomber. take us seriously!
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Apr 7, 2017 18:17
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Hoops posted:Obama has killed more afghani children than Blair did in Iraq tbh. Same with Yemenese children. Probably magnitudes more. It's not an insane position to protest against him. I say you would have a point. But that would give the morons a point in what they usually do is cause nothing but embarrassment to everyone.
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Apr 8, 2017 00:02
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Red Clydeside in school history? Much jealousy! I was never a big fan of history in school though. I took the nerdy option and took geography for my social subject. I can sing you a darn catchy song about the formation of a corrie! I keep meaning to drive up to Bannockburn to check out the new visitor centre. Apparently they've got some wargame-esque type thing you can play? Thinking about it actually, both the bf and I are off work next week....
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Apr 8, 2017 02:09
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So who actually lives in Glasgow and would be up for getting me to buy them a pint?
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Apr 8, 2017 03:39
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You guys dont know how good you would have it in the US. Americans are madly in love with all things scottish. Your senators and electoral votes would probably push the democrats back safely into power, and since the US is the dominant country in the world, a better US would mean a better world. Plus, you'd be a historic foothold for us across the atlantic. Scotland, be historic!
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Apr 8, 2017 06:25
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All this history chat is appropriate given 2017 is the Year of History, Heritage and Archaeology, according to VisitScotland's press release about their latest deal with TripAdvisor. Not exactly sure what the deal is actually going to bring other than a joint marketing campaign, though.
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Apr 8, 2017 09:18
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Zalakwe posted:
It seems to somewhat misunderstand the concept behind Scottish nationalism...like the occasional suggestions that Scotland becomes independent and takes Wales and Northern England with it, and somehow unifies with Ireland. The base drive of Scottish nationalists is to become independent, not join a different much larger state (something something EU). Also, at this point Scottish Nationalists have gone fully European, the Commonwealth (which I do support stronger and deeper ties with) is a brexiteer fancy that nationalists will probably react against.
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Apr 8, 2017 10:24
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mediadave posted:The base drive of Scottish nationalists is to become independent, not join a different much larger state (something something EU). I don't think I can agree with this at all; there's not one "base drive" of Scottish nationalism, there's a ton: it's an almost impossibly (and certainly impractically) big tent that the SNP have cultivated. It bit them pretty loving hard with the pound debacle in the last referendum. It's why the SNP seems to defy conventional UK political classification; they're were a sort of centre right party who then swelled their base with a shitton of very enthusiastic left leaning to hard left supporters, and the result is something that is simultaneously lefty and righty and centeristy all at once.
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Apr 8, 2017 10:49
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CoolCab posted:I don't think I can agree with this at all; there's not one "base drive" of Scottish nationalism, there's a ton: it's an almost impossibly (and certainly impractically) big tent that the SNP have cultivated. It bit them pretty loving hard with the pound debacle in the last referendum. It's why the SNP seems to defy conventional UK political classification; they're were a sort of centre right party who then swelled their base with a shitton of very enthusiastic left leaning to hard left supporters, and the result is something that is simultaneously lefty and righty and centeristy all at once. A fairly reasonable assessment. Imagine if Blairite Eurosceptics had joined forces with the Tory Leave campaign to form UKIP - that's the SNP. Then a whole heap of Scots who hated the Tories signed up expecting actual left wing policy because the SNP have been claiming to be lefties and now they don't know what to do any more.
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Apr 8, 2017 12:06
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Jedit posted:A fairly reasonable assessment. Imagine if Blairite Eurosceptics had joined forces with the Tory Leave campaign to form UKIP - that's the SNP. Then a whole heap of Scots who hated the Tories signed up expecting actual left wing policy because the SNP have been claiming to be lefties and now they don't know what to do any more. some of them seem to have some idea of what to do, to be fair, namely "make a nuisance of themselves at conference", which may pay out dividends in the long term if all goes well "if all goes well", of course, being the famous last words of most forms of hope in the uk as a whole
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Apr 8, 2017 12:23
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Acaila posted:I keep meaning to drive up to Bannockburn to check out the new visitor centre. Apparently they've got some wargame-esque type thing you can play? It's alright; nothing fancy but quite interesting. They have a few things; an interactive war games thing you mentioned plus the same thing showing how the real battle went, depends on the time as to what one you get. I live like 30 seconds away from it; I could check out times or whatever for you?
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Apr 8, 2017 16:36
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Coohoolin posted:So who actually lives in Glasgow and would be up for getting me to buy them a pint? When were you thinking? Zalakwe posted:Had a chuckle at this - Should Scotland join Canada It's an interesting piece, and not entirely mad. I've often idly thought that Scotland after independence would look a bit like Canada in the sense that the UK/Scotland dynamc would be little like USA/Canada in minature: richer and more politically powerful southern country, northern part famous for its landscape, lack of population density, and being defined (politically and economically) in large part by its relationship to/against its neighbour. Plus Canada's pretty cool, so we could definitely do worse for partners. Definitely share that sense of the widening chasm; there seems to be more and more people in the UK comfortable with a kind of economically right wing, socially conservative isolationism/exceptionalism/nationalism, and that makes me really uncomfortable. Niric fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 8, 2017 20:08
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Niric posted:When were you thinking? I'm here for April on work placement so anytime then. Weekends for a late one, but I'm not adverse to a few on a weekday.
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Apr 8, 2017 21:54
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What's with all this talk about a snap election? How would that help anything?
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Apr 9, 2017 13:47
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I guess the idea would be to show that some people want another referendum? Though it's probably just because Sturgeon has said she'll talk about her next steps after Easter and has ruled out a legal challenge so there's not a lot else she can do so people are just guessing.
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Apr 9, 2017 14:20
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I really don't see what a snap election would do apart from maybe giving the Scottish Tories a bit of a boost in the Scottish Parliament. It's not like Theresa May's going to change her mind on independence just because MSPs vote for it given that that's already happened.
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Apr 9, 2017 14:49
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Yeah I was baffled by the headlines myself. Something the tories are pushing for I guess? Can't see it doing the SNP or Labour any good (especially not Labour haha).
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Apr 9, 2017 15:41
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Coohoolin posted:I'm here for April on work placement so anytime then. Weekends for a late one, but I'm not adverse to a few on a weekday. After work weekday pint could be a shout. Centre of town ok for that? Next week isn't great besides wednesday, week after is better. Any other glasgow folk fancy it?
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Apr 9, 2017 22:09
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Niric posted:After work weekday pint could be a shout. Centre of town ok for that? Next week isn't great besides wednesday, week after is better. Any other glasgow folk fancy it? Centre is fine, my office is on union street. I work until 4 ish. Yes bar is right nearby and does discounts for pro indy party members, if that helps anyone.
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Apr 9, 2017 22:19
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Drinking in a bar named for a political campaign sounds like hell no matter whether you agree with the stance or not.
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Apr 11, 2017 12:26
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big scary monsters posted:Drinking in a bar named for a political campaign sounds like hell no matter whether you agree with the stance or not. It's actually just a chill bar with lots of seating that does food and cheap drinks.
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Apr 11, 2017 12:28
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And it's cheaper if you're a nationalist. Sounds loving awful.
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Apr 11, 2017 12:40
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are they actually checking party membership or is this just a misjudged marketing ploy?
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Apr 11, 2017 12:53
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Cerv posted:are they actually checking party membership or is this just a misjudged marketing ploy? Seems to be a very successful albeit cynical marketing ploy to be honest. Never been in but sounds like they do pretty steady business.
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Apr 11, 2017 13:01
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Cerv posted:are they actually checking party membership or is this just a misjudged marketing ploy? I don't know but if you waltzed in covered in Tory stickers I don't know how much of a discount you might get.
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Apr 11, 2017 13:15
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Coohoolin posted:I don't know but if you waltzed in covered in Tory stickers I don't know how much of a discount you might get. 4% of UKIP voters want to remain in the EU.
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Apr 11, 2017 13:46
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I can do a Scotch accent too :iamafag: OCH HALLO THEER. AH HEET THA TOADIES AWND THEY IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGGGGGLIIIIIIIIIIISSSSH  AWND AHM DEHSPRIT FERA SEYANCEA BUHLAWNGIN CAN AW HAWVA CHEAP BEER THE NOO HAYN
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Apr 11, 2017 13:51
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Jedit posted:4% of UKIP voters want to remain in the EU. The only way this makes sense is if they're too dumb to discern what the party they vote for is all about.
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Apr 11, 2017 13:57
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Coohoolin posted:I don't know but if you waltzed in covered in Tory stickers I don't know how much of a discount you might get. on another note, there's a pair of articles about the ugly side of the yes / no campaigns that make for depressing reading http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2017/04/extreme-scottish-nationalists-hunting-lapdogs-and-traitors http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2017/04/extreme-scottish-unionists-how-hard-right-has-muscled-independence
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Apr 11, 2017 15:05
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Cerv posted:worry not, I won't be waltzing in at all. Wow those two things sure sound exactly as bad as each other.
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Apr 11, 2017 15:21
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Coohoolin posted:Centre is fine, my office is on union street. I work until 4 ish. Yes bar is right nearby and does discounts for pro indy party members, if that helps anyone. I'll make sure to try and find my old Green Party membership card wherever that is. I'll put it in front of my Labour card and they won't suspect a thing.
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Apr 11, 2017 15:23
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cargohills posted:I'll make sure to try and find my old Green Party membership card wherever that is. I'll put it in front of my Labour card and they won't suspect a thing. Labour For Indy is a thing!
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Apr 11, 2017 15:25
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