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Arquinsiel posted:Picked up the new FoW book in the FLGS yesterday. Took a quick skim of it. Seems like they decided the way to balance out Hen and Chicks being unfun was to give it to everyone. Lots of odd decisions made here. Wait... what?
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It's not quite that stupid but: 1: units can no longer chain command. To be in command you must be within 6" of your platoon leader OR 8£ if you have more than 8 teams in the platoon. 2: units out of command must: a: stay still. b: make a tactical move towards their commander and fire at +1 to hit. c: make a dash move towards their commander and not fire. Soviets still have Hen and Chicks, but it's a less garbage rule because if you're moving one tank you'll probably be moving all of them anyways to stay in command.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:10
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tomdidiot posted:Wait... what? All teams have de-facto mission tactics now, in that you just pick a team in the platoon and they're your commander today*. Therefore gun team leaders are redundant; one of the guns leads. *if they get shot someone else in 6" takes over.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:10
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Arquinsiel posted:It's not quite that stupid but: To be nitpicky, they have Hen and Chicks in the conversion guide which is a sticky-plaster to keep books technically compatible and doesn't necessarily (almost certainly won't) reflect their rules in their full mid-war book whenever that's out; look at the differences between british night attack in MW and LW/EW, for example.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:12
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spectralent posted:To be nitpicky, they have Hen and Chicks in the conversion guide which is a sticky-plaster to keep books technically compatible and doesn't necessarily (almost certainly won't) reflect their rules in their full mid-war book whenever that's out; look at the differences between british night attack in MW and LW/EW, for example. Also all artillery now has All Guns Repeat so buh-bye mansblob.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:17
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Arquinsiel posted:Yes, but this bullshit now also applies to Infantry units meaning that you won't be able to deploy in a sensible defensive line and will instead be artillery bait. Worse, in fact, since if it's like TY (and who knows because BF now makes rules with enough gaps to drive king tigers through) then the radius you can appoint new commanders from those killed on is always 6" even if you have 8" of command range, so if someone can kill the middle of your platoon, you might still suffer a loss of command teams. Honestly, artillery is good at killing stuff, but it's really just "alright", rather than instantly massacring stuff. More hilariously it's basically the only thing that does do meaningful damage to dug-in infantry, since there's no way to lift gone-to-ground, most gun teams are 3+ and the ones that aren't are 4+ save, and breakthrough guns and flamethrowers now just reroll saves (and flammenwerfers are rolling to hit with the victim's TN instead of personal skill, so they'll be going on 6s again). And far less stuff gets into assault now, especially for the soviets, so that's also hard to kill people with. Artillery, meanwhile, is 4-3+ firepower, hitting on base to-hit numbers (after you range in), and rerolls saves. It's basically the only thing that meaningfully damages infantry aside from tank assaults (which don't care too much since they only had 3-5 teams in anyway usually).
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Apr 8, 2017 16:40
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It's unlikely that the only other team of the same type will be more than 6" away from the commander, but I guess it could happen. Seriously though, this looks like they took 3rd edition and said "people are having too much fun, let's bollocks it up".
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Apr 8, 2017 16:49
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My group has found that in actual play the command bubble isn't a big deal unless you are running max size soviet companies. This is team Yankee though, it doesn't (yet) have the artillery changes they put into midwar.
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Apr 8, 2017 22:32
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Removing distinct comman teams seems less realistic and I don't like that.
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Apr 9, 2017 06:05
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"Oh I surely won't buy any more minis until I'm done with these" he foolishly thought, moments before a NIB french napoleonic army was posted for sale at a big discount. Allons enfants de la patrie...
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Apr 9, 2017 19:41
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Arquinsiel posted:It's unlikely that the only other team of the same type will be more than 6" away from the commander, but I guess it could happen. Still, gently caress you guys for leaving me in possession of two dozen or so combined useless SMG command, Observer and Staff teams now.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:55
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Arquinsiel posted:Quoting myself, it seems that they've weirdly actually managed to change things so that you will only end up out of command if after moving you are not within X" of the command team. This oddly means that platoons now don't get turbo hosed if their command team is sniped, so it might actually be a positive change there. I am not sure though. Well, if your command team is sniped you should just jump it over. That said, does the book really still have the dumb wording that implies out-of-command is a turn-end check?
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Apr 9, 2017 19:58
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lilljonas posted:"Oh I surely won't buy any more minis until I'm done with these" he foolishly thought, moments before a NIB french napoleonic army was posted for sale at a big discount. Well, following my oath of not buying any more minies for two months now.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:59
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spectralent posted:Well, if your command team is sniped you should just jump it over. There are situations in which your command team won't be able to switch to a new unit. Like if you moved, ended up out of command, then got your commander shot and had nobody near enough for him to switch to.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:27
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Someone recommend me a 28mm SU-122 model. Warlord Games, my usual go-to, only has a SU-122m which doesn't look nearly as cool.
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Geisladisk posted:Someone recommend me a 28mm SU-122 model. Warlord Games, my usual go-to, only has a SU-122m which doesn't look nearly as cool. http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=47
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Apr 10, 2017 14:20
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Bonus points for swappable mantlet & gun so I can magnetize it to make a SU-85, thanks! e: actually the superstructure is different too, oh well, guess I'm buying two
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Apr 10, 2017 17:45
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Rubicon makes good stuff. I need to grab like 4 or 5 of their 2.5-ton trucks whenever I feel like being crazy and making individualized transports for all my squads.
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Apr 10, 2017 18:03
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I just put together a Rubicon M-10/M-36. The swapable turrets have different rings but it's a minor annoyance. Otherwise I'm super pleased with the kit.
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Lobster God posted:So I went to my local museum today and they had some 20mm Romans! I'm curious if you got any more shots of the army composition. And by curious I mean I am potentially judging the armaments of the legio because I think there's way too much segmentata and not enough hamata in the mix.
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Apr 10, 2017 19:57
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So I just found out I have access to a good laser cutter/etcher! Is there a good place to get plans to make little buildings out of mdf or something similar? I can cut/etch all the way up to thin glass!
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Apr 11, 2017 04:55
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Geisladisk posted:
Crossposting from the painting thread. I like painting tanks way more than I like painting little dudes.
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Apr 11, 2017 11:17
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Historicals: Too much segmentata and not enough hamata
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Apr 11, 2017 11:46
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Geisladisk posted:Bonus points for swappable mantlet & gun so I can magnetize it to make a SU-85, thanks! You only need one, and zero (0) magnets! Trust me I built the kit. Just don't glue down the big superstructure, and mask it if you spray prime so you don't ruin the fit.
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FYI, nwsonline is matching warlords vehicle sale but with a bigger selection and theirs is 3 vehicles for $50. Pretty tempting
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zokie posted:You only need one, and zero (0) magnets! Trust me I built the kit. Just don't glue down the big superstructure, and mask it if you spray prime so you don't ruin the fit. But... that means I don't have an excuse for getting two! 
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What if you need both at once?
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Geisladisk posted:Crossposting from the painting thread. Your muzzle brake is turned 90 degrees. If you like painting tanks, join us in the inhalants thread
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So I almost ruined (and maybe still did) my Wirbelwind and the turret of my Panzer IV last night. Because of this poo poo right here:  I had seen recommendations to use Krylon, that it was just as good. I'm here to report that NOPE. I hosed up an entire 60-man army with this poo poo a few months ago. I thought maybe I had just tried using it on too cold of a day (it was December and in my garage), or that it was too humid, or that I didn't shake the paint well enough. I purchased a can of Army Painter gray primer a couple of weeks ago, but wanted to see if I could salvage the can of white Krylon I still had left, since I had so much and I didn't want it to go to waste. So I made sure my garage was an ideal temp and humidity and shook that can for 10 minutes before unleashing it on my tanks. Sure enough, it was exactly the same. A gooey mess that coated everything in a thick coat of lovely white. It filled in all the details and left running marks, even after a very light coat. What is so weird is that I had such great results with a can of Krylon black primer, which did the job fantastically a few months back. I can't believe the disparity in quality between the two paints. For a few minutes I thought I would just step away and let it dry a bit, and see if the detail came back. After 10 minutes or so, I started to get worried and decided to try and remove the primer by hand. Using a bit of isopropyl alcohol and a tooth brush, I was able to brush away most of the paint from the detail areas, but it still looks like a mess:   Now the tank(s) have a kind of weird texture to them. It kind of looks like rough paint, and might end up being a happy accident. Still, I'm very disappointed in the Krylon quality overall:  The body of the Panzer IV I used the Army Painter gray primer on last night and it looks fantastic. It cost me twice as much as the Krylon and I could only find it on Amazon, but the quality is second to none. I might have to look into other Army Painter products moving forward.
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I had krylon white paint left over from another project, so I tried to use it to paint the inside of a light box a nice flat white. It couldn't even do that. Toss the models in Pine Sol for a day, the paint should come off fine. If it leaves a sticky residue, scrub as much as you can and put it in for another 24 hours.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Toss the models in Pine Sol for a day, the paint should come off fine. If it leaves a sticky residue, scrub as much as you can and put it in for another 24 hours. Will this harm the plastic at all? 
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ExtraNoise posted:Will this harm the plastic at all? I tried this and it damaged some of my plastic (made smaller or thin parts very weak and soft) after only 2 hours. I would be very careful. Once the Pine Sol dried out the plastic went back to normal.
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Weird, I never had issues with damage to plastic. Maybe it's the soft plastic I've seen on some wargaming minis? I only used it on hard stuff.
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Apr 11, 2017 23:30
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I've used brake fluid to good effect on gw plastics.
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So I decided last night to go ahead with priming the Panzer 3, including re-priming the turret which had been part of the original accident: I'm actually not too unhappy. There's a bit of a weird texture on the turret compared to the body, but it doesn't look particularly out of place. The barrel I think needs to be sanded smooth, however, so I'm going to give that a try before proceeding with any paint.
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Very nice! I actually kind of like the texture. I got my Bad Squiddo soviet women last week, and had some time today to put them on bases.   Overall, they're great, and I'm not just saying that because the owner posts on these forums. Very little flash, an acceptable amount of bend on the barrels/bayonets (they're small, of course), and great sculpts. The equipment and uniforms are accurate as well, so it meets the sperg test.
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What scale are they?
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28mm E: I'll take a picture later, but they're perfectly in-scale with my Warlord metals. 3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Moving forwards with my French force, and I wrote some stuff about the pitfalls of adding cavalry: http://krigetkommer.weebly.com/napoleonic-blog/wrapping-my-head-around-french-cavalry Also, the second hand stash arrived today! It included the following: 2 boxes of Warlord French line infantry 1 box of Perry French line infantry 1 box of Warlord Chasseurs-a-cheval 1 box of Polish Vistula infantry 2 6-pounders 2 mounted colonels I also just put the finishing touches to the foot Chasseurs, going to take photos tomorrow. This army is going places. (where it is cold and they'll die of starvation and exhaustion and loving Cossacks)
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So naturally now that I have a working 3D printer I can indulge all of my dumb Flames of War tank company ideas. Step one: Romania! Step two is going to be the late war Japanese tank company that just uses swarms of tiny Japanese tanks that do nothing because if you commit to a gimmick list commit fully.
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