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Andrast posted:I'm pretty sure america has borders already When people like that say borders they really mean "make the government keep the
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How exactly does one outlaw white guilt?
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Apr 11, 2017 11:21
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The Vosgian Beast posted:How exactly does one outlaw white guilt? You stare into the mirror for twenty minutes each morning chanting "I'm white and that's alright"
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Apr 11, 2017 12:25
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The Vosgian Beast posted:How exactly does one outlaw white guilt? While retaining free speech, no less.
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Fututor Magnus posted:https://twitter.com/MrRobertFord/status/851511864446025728 I'm the implication that hitler's only mistake was "moving too fast"
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"What's your idea to solve human conflict?" "It is very simple, sir: no wars." ".....you seem to be avoiding the questio--" "NO. WARS."
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Apr 11, 2017 13:51
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Also no hiding cash, if you're hiding cash you have to tell us pretty please.
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Apr 11, 2017 14:02
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goddamn this entire thread is emblematic of lw craziness, just want to drop it here before i comment on it because its just  http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/oul/openai_makes_humanity_less_safe/
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chitoryu12 posted:"What's your idea to solve human conflict?" They're anime Nazis. Turn-of-the-century Gundam was probably pretty pivotal in their political development.
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Apr 11, 2017 14:10
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It's gonna be weird to re-learn turn of the century to not mean 1900 because i'm imagining some very weird gundams right about now
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Apr 11, 2017 14:48
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ate all the Oreos posted:It's gonna be weird to re-learn turn of the century to not mean 1900 because i'm imagining some very weird gundams right about now Turn A was a very cool show.
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Fututor Magnus posted:goddamn this entire thread is emblematic of lw craziness, I'm starting to dislike the word open. Open Universe Yudkowsky's AI.
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Apr 11, 2017 16:08
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ate all the Oreos posted:It's gonna be weird to re-learn turn of the century to not mean 1900 because i'm imagining some very weird gundams right about now  I dunno mustache is about right
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Apr 11, 2017 16:32
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ate all the Oreos posted:I'm the implication that hitler's only mistake was "moving too fast" so what the gently caress is that Noah smith guy? several people i follow (including Ta-Nehisi Coates  ) follow this dude and he seems Alt-right adjacent
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Apr 11, 2017 16:44
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Fututor Magnus posted:goddamn this entire thread is emblematic of lw craziness, I can't unsee the analogy between Yuddites and the people who were trying to stop the LHC from turning on. The only difference is which sci-fi story they're getting worked up about.
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Race Realists posted:so what the gently caress is that Noah smith guy? several people i follow (including Ta-Nehisi Coates I stopped reading his stuff a long while ago but I don't remember him being much other than a pretty conventional liberal economist.
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Apr 11, 2017 17:09
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It's consistently amazing how these 'rational' people have managed to reinvent abrahamic religion, complete with a wrathful god but have wrapped it up in the veneer of technology.
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Apr 11, 2017 17:12
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ate all the Oreos posted:It's gonna be weird to re-learn turn of the century to not mean 1900 because i'm imagining some very weird gundams right about now Even better: in the original Mobile Suit Gundam, one of the Zabi family at the end starts telling his son or something (can't remember the exact relation) the story of Adolf Hitler to try and emphasize that he needs to chill with the crazy dictator poo poo. The guy he's telling the story to refers to WW2 as occurring in "the Middle Ages".
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Apr 11, 2017 17:14
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Fututor Magnus posted:goddamn this entire thread is emblematic of lw craziness, *LW deletes posts about Roko's basilisk, leaving long threads of "Comment deleted"* "Nobody here was concerned about Roko's basilisk, no sirree, it's all a beat up"
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Apr 11, 2017 17:52
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divabot posted:*LW deletes posts about Roko's basilisk, leaving long threads of "Comment deleted"* I thought Scott explained a while ago that he thinks the idea is silly but will delete discussion on it ~just in case~
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Slime posted:It's consistently amazing how these 'rational' people have managed to reinvent abrahamic religion, complete with a wrathful god but have wrapped it up in the veneer of technology. I think that comes from them considering themselves atheist without having done any of the spiritual, emotional, or psychological heavy lifting required to actually deal with ones own existential crises. They're especially vulnerable, being in such denial of their human irrationality that they're practically defenseless against something like Pascals Wager and are prone to inventing deities or pursuing immortality without self-awareness. A lot of the "I am a truly logical being" crowd are probably just a near-death-experience or loss-of-a-loved-one away from unchecked religious mania. Night10194 posted:Tech Nerds Accidentally Create Religion In Search Of Having No Religion is fast becoming a cliche for a reason.
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divabot posted:*LW deletes posts about Roko's basilisk, leaving long threads of "Comment deleted"* Yeah, some of the comments on that one are really something quote:I post using this shared anonymous account here because in the past when I used my real name I received death threats online from LW users. In a meetup I had someone tell me to my face that if my AGI project crossed a certain level of capability, they would personally hunt me down and kill me. They were quite serious.
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Syd Midnight posted:I think that comes from them considering themselves atheist without having done any of the spiritual, emotional, or psychological heavy lifting required to actually deal with ones own existential crises. They're especially vulnerable, being in such denial of their human irrationality that they're practically defenseless against something like Pascals Wager and are prone to inventing deities or pursuing immortality without self-awareness. A lot of the "I am a truly logical being" crowd are probably just a near-death-experience or loss-of-a-loved-one away from unchecked religious mania. Warning: I'm about to go off the rails with the kinda pseudointellectual bullshit we excruiate these guys for. The only biological factor I've read about that affects religiosity is a feeling of social euphoria. Singing in a group, chanting, meditation in a group, following quiet verbal instructions. You know, the kind of rituals you see in church and sporting events. There's a small region of your brain that connects to the reward center and basically encourages you to be part of the group, and it is measurably smaller in atheists. So what happens when you take a group of people with all the same logical and epistemological failings any human being will have, and feed them forums filled with people saying that intellectual quality is what separates atheists from the highly religious, not social bonding behavior? You get people who are far better at rationalization than average, mostly because of a "debate me" culture, but no sincere appreciation of how hard it is to get any given question right or address your own biases.
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ikanreed posted:There's a small region of your brain that connects to the reward center and basically encourages you to be part of the group, and it is measurably smaller in atheists. wait, what? Got the source on this to hand? (is it on RW somewhere already)
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divabot posted:wait, what? Got the source on this to hand? (is it on RW somewhere already) You shouldn't read too much into it. It's all based on n=40 FMRI type studies. The concluded existence of the so-called "God spot" and everything linked to it is kinda reductionist, and not really true. Wikipedia has a better summary than I do under neurotheology.
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Syd Midnight posted:I think that comes from them considering themselves atheist without having done any of the spiritual, emotional, or psychological heavy lifting required to actually deal with ones own existential crises. They're especially vulnerable, being in such denial of their human irrationality that they're practically defenseless against something like Pascals Wager and are prone to inventing deities or pursuing immortality without self-awareness. A lot of the "I am a truly logical being" crowd are probably just a near-death-experience or loss-of-a-loved-one away from unchecked religious mania. Another thing a lot of ignorant Gnu Atheists forget is that religion, despite their protests, can be quite rational. What it isn't is empirical. If you study the history of many world religions, you see the interplay between religion and philosophy. Plenty of religions use philosophical backing for important concepts. They're just often bad at testing or revising their claims, so there's a lot of garbage-in-garbage-out logic. We see an interesting sort of behavior among the capital-R Rationalists. They claim to interpret the world from first principles, and update their opinions to new data using a defined process. But we see that the second claim is false, and the first one would be shaky even if it were true. So yeah, in a different time or place, the Yuddites might have been devoutly religious.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:How exactly does one outlaw white guilt? You ban the music of Midnight Oil, which is the physical embodiment of white guilt.
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Scott's latest on his opinions on free speech: http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/11/sacred-principles-as-exhaustible-resources/
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Apr 12, 2017 13:38
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I got my color edition of Neoreaction a Basilisk yesterday, looks real nice
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-83K8nrUzsE4gGAA6UMP1HzNDSTSuy4TXOnbKetXvM0/edit (NSFW)
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-83K8nrUzsE4gGAA6UMP1HzNDSTSuy4TXOnbKetXvM0/edit (NSFW) What's with these guys and meaningless control graphs?
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http://saynotolife.blogspot.com/2017/04/from-to-alternative-right.html We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. Also the exact opposite of that. I am very smart.
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Fututor Magnus posted:Scott's latest on his opinions on free speech: http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/11/sacred-principles-as-exhaustible-resources/ Pretty good post.
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TinTower posted:Harry Potter Becomes a Communist is a modern art piece. Nothing will top Samus Fucks Golden Torizo
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https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/852363978269446145 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/852364696367898626 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/852365212313427968 Freaks create (memes) etc. etc. Also, the linked essay is a hilarious riff on "freaks create progs occupy" using harry potter terminology instead, because of course it does. https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
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I figure I might as well ask this here. Lately I've been learning more about the Alt-Right and white supremacist stuff in general. Firstly, the Dark Enlightenment is a separate thing from the Alt-Right, correct? Elsewhere we were discussing what exactly the Alt-Right are because "Nazi" isn't a really helpful description beyond knowing they are scumbag white nationalists. But there are a lot of scumbag white nationalists who aren't Nazis so we were trying to pin down what exactly they believe. The Alt-Right doesn't seem to favor Traditionalism, unlike the Nazis and DE. Secondly, when thinking about the differences between these groups, I have to wonder why you don't hear more about conflicts within their community/movement? "White Nationalism" is an inherently mindless, soulless ideology below even Nazi race theories because "white" isn't a thing. The Nazis would not consider German white guys on the same level as Anglo-Saxon white guys and for the other side, there was a lot of anti-German racism during World War 1. So I just don't understand why you don't hear more about, say, Neo Nazis throwing down with the KKK. On top of differing race hierarchies, The Klan were supposed to be WASP incarnate and Neo Nazis, if they are any religion, seem to be Neopagans. Radical Christians and racial pagans probably shouldn't get along for any number of reasons.
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"alt-right" is a rather broad categorization. there are absolutely many alt-righters who are big on traditionalism, I would say mostly as it reflects on women, i.e. women should be subservient to men and that feminism is a degenerate SJW ideology to turn men into cucks. of course, these traditional values never apply to themselves and it's fine for them to masturbate to loli porn or whatever. sometimes this bleeds over into homophobia and transphobia but in many alt-right circles these, or at least the former, is much less prevalent compared to misogyny. more common is racism, a popular expression of it nowadays being Islamophobia and extreme xenophobia towards refugees, e.g. the idea of muslim men coming over / allowed over by cucked liberal governments and raping all the white christian women. I've seen countless alt-righters who've professed all and more of the above beliefs and are far from being white nationalists and nazis. and it's obviously not that they consider these ideologies beyond the pale or anything, it seems to follow more from the connotations of being terms a "white nationalist" or a "neo-nazi"
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ate all the Oreos posted:I got my color edition of Neoreaction a Basilisk yesterday, looks real nice Mine came today, I didn't even know it had shipped. Finally, I can read the thing.
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If you asked me to define the alt-right, here's how I'd do it. First, the alt-right is less religious, or less interested in religion for its own sake. The more conventional conservatives support things like a state religion and moralizing laws because they believe in the truth of their faith (or at least pretend to.) The alt-right, on the other hand, ranges from actively hostile to religion, to cynically supporting religion because they believe it's a valuable tool of social control, to supporting religion as a reflection of cultural unity. Second, the alt-right is racist and sexist, but they do not use dog whistle language to express it. Nor does it come from gut emotions or unquestioned assumptions. They're openly bigoted, and they use the language of twisted academia to support this. Bad biology, bad psychology, bad history, you name it. Third, the alt-right carries itself with an air of both cynicism and malice. This might be my American provincialism talking, but most conservative thought I've seen uses zero-sum logic a lot. Capitalism is the only good economic system, and the only way to get ahead is for others to fall behind, yada yada. Since the alt-right is an outgrowth of internet culture, particularly places like 4chan, this gets uglier. Instead of zero-sum logic, it uses negative-sum logic. Others' suffering is not the cost of winning, it's a benefit in its own right. What types of groups make up the alt-right? MRA's and related organized misogynists The crazier libertarians (including ancaps) Neoreactionaries Scientific racists Trumpsters and other new nationalists, especially those with fascist sympathies Now these groups are not mutually exclusive. A lot of libertarians are racist, and a lot of neoreactionaries admire Trump and Le Pen. That's crank magnetism for you.
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