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Tales of Woe posted:Lingering Souls was in like a dozen tier 1 decks over its 2 years in Standard. Ashiok was a roleplayer in UBx control but people have a boner for it for some reason and want to believe it was an Important Card. It was unsuccessfully in a bunch of decks, but people really weren't playing it all over the place, there were delver/snapcaster geist decks that didn't run it, and instead used moorland haunts, and those were different than the intangible virtue decks that made up the decks that actually ran it successfully.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:You keep saying this and I'm not sure why. I'd be curious to hear your reasons why. I don't see how it fits greatly into the game plan or helps win where something else wouldn't and I'm not sure what it would replace. Seems a little inefficient in modern. I guess you could cast it for x=3 on turn 3 and then use the zero ability to start generating card advantage but spending 5 mana on something that will get abrupt decayed doesn't seem good. Walking Ballista is also inefficient, far moreso than Nissa while still being playable because it fits a niche in a particular deck that can generate enough mana to mitigate that efficiency and wants the role it plays. A post was already made about how strong varying mana costs are for their flexibility, and especially on cards like this where two thirds of what we want Nissa to do are doable at her lowest rate. Her +2 filters what we don't want, digs us to our combo conditions, sets up her 0 for the next turn and makes our Collected Companies stronger by giving us access to information. Her 0, even played on turn 2 off a Bird is 50/50 to put something into play in a standard Company shell of 22 lands + 7 dorks if we choose that route instead of upping her loyalty (if she isn't under immediate damage pressure) and is one + away from being able to put 80% of our deck into play off of a flip. That is comparable to Bob, who also dies to Bolt and Decay and is still an incredible card in the format and overall, compares favourably to the current flex slot card advantage creatures we run to bait out removal for our Knights, while sharing Courser's synergy with Retreat to Coralhelm's scry. The ultimate is also very real for us, as we often wind up with a lot of mana in the late game thanks to our dorks and Knights, and allows us to punch through for our needed last few points of damage. I don't want 4 in there but I would like to try one, probably two, and in a grindy game where my hand is low Company is the only card I think I would rather see. She avoids Wraths, allows us to hold up Company turn 4 and onward while accruing major advantage on the board if not dealt with, and in general fits in better than any other Walker I've seen. You're right that she's vulnerable, there are matchups where she will be subpar just like Courser and Pridemage where we want to side her out, but I think she's very much worth trying.
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Guys, I just want you to know that if Nissa ends up seeing no play at the PT I'm going to link to all of you saying the card is amazing and draw a really bad MS Paint Told Ya So sign. I just want all of you to consider that before making any claims about this card being amazing, because I am not afraid to use my bad MS Paint skills to embarrass you.
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Sampatrick posted:Guys, I just want you to know that if Nissa ends up seeing no play at the PT I'm going to link to all of you saying the card is amazing and draw a really bad MS Paint Told Ya So sign. I just want all of you to consider that before making any claims about this card being amazing, because I am not afraid to use my bad MS Paint skills to embarrass you. Standard is garbage so who cares
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Sampatrick posted:Guys, I just want you to know that if Nissa ends up seeing no play at the PT I'm going to link to all of you saying the card is amazing and draw a really bad MS Paint Told Ya So sign. I just want all of you to consider that before making any claims about this card being amazing, because I am not afraid to use my bad MS Paint skills to embarrass you. At this point nobody cares about this, you do realize that right? Just like you aren't going to give a poo poo when people link to your post of you saying its terrible before spoilers were even finished.
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Sampatrick posted:Guys, I just want you to know that if Nissa ends up seeing no play at the PT I'm going to link to all of you saying the card is amazing and draw a really bad MS Paint Told Ya So sign. I just want all of you to consider that before making any claims about this card being amazing, because I am not afraid to use my bad MS Paint skills to embarrass you. There are other things than the immediate next Standard tournament you farting baby.
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Sickening posted:At this point nobody cares about this, you do realize that right? Just like you aren't going to give a poo poo when people link to your post of you saying its terrible before spoilers were even finished. I would actually find it pretty amusing
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Sampatrick posted:I would actually find it pretty amusing Of course you would you loving garbage dick baby
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Pretty hosed up for a baby to have garbage on its dick. Someone should call CPS.
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What the gently caress is wrong with y'all? It was a joke, there's no need to be so rude in response.
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Marketing New Brain posted:It was unsuccessfully in a bunch of decks, but people really weren't playing it all over the place, there were delver/snapcaster geist decks that didn't run it, and instead used moorland haunts, and those were different than the intangible virtue decks that made up the decks that actually ran it successfully. it was also in a ton of graveyard/reanimator decks including Junk Rites which was the de facto "best deck" for a while in RTR standard, and also the various Aristocrats decks
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Ultima66 posted:This post except lol that he left out the most played gold walker in standard (Domri) while putting like 8 different unplayable ones on the list. Honestly couldn't remember if it was played a lot. It showed up around when I started playing again, so there was a lot of stuff to parse.
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Apr 12, 2017 00:02
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"You were wrong about a weird-AF two-color Planeswalker!" he screams from the rooftops as his diaper fills with yet more poop. "Your card evaluation was not flawless! This card did not immediately perform!" he yells to the thriving idiot masses as birds poop on him in turn.
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Apr 12, 2017 00:03
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Magic players think cards are garbage unless they consistently show up in GP and PT top 8 lists. A card can't show up once in a top 8 list and then only have spotty results in tournaments after, then it was a failure and wasn't "an Important Card". Cards can be somewhere between unplayable trash and format staple, but you'd never know it from listening to Magic players talk.
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BJPaskoff posted:Magic players think cards are garbage unless they consistently show up in GP and PT top 8 lists. A card can't show up once in a top 8 list and then only have spotty results in tournaments after, then it was a failure and wasn't "an Important Card". Cards can be somewhere between unplayable trash and format staple, but you'd never know it from listening to Magic players talk. Where is the fun in not being hyperbolic?
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Apr 12, 2017 00:09
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UG Nissa doesn't play nice with Walking Ballista or Felidar Guardian so it will probably show up in limited amounts until WotC finally salts the earth of this Standard format. It's a solid card in a vacuum.
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BJPaskoff posted:Magic players think cards are garbage unless they consistently show up in GP and PT top 8 lists. A card can't show up once in a top 8 list and then only have spotty results in tournaments after, then it was a failure and wasn't "an Important Card". Cards can be somewhere between unplayable trash and format staple, but you'd never know it from listening to Magic players talk. I wasn't aware that I was talking about top 8s exclusively or that I was discussing the card being good outside of the AKH format we're about to enter.
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mcmagic posted:Where is the fun in not being hyperbolic? Being able to talk about Magic the card game without people acting like you're trash for thinking a previewed card isn't just draft fodder?
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BJPaskoff posted:Being able to talk about Magic the card game without people acting like you're trash for thinking a previewed card isn't just draft fodder? gently caress that! I can't immediately see a list that plays 4 Nissa Seward maindeck so gently caress THIS GARBAGE CARD and YOU AS WELL.
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Nissa is the first "lead character" walker we've seen get a gold version outside Ajani, isn't she?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:gently caress that! I can't immediately see a list that plays 4 Nissa Seward maindeck so gently caress THIS GARBAGE CARD and YOU AS WELL. But you're the only person in this thread trying to insult a person rather than saying a card is worse than other people think.
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AlternateNu posted:Nissa is the first "lead character" walker we've seen get a gold version outside Ajani, isn't she? Does Garruk count? He's got two!
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Anyway by the way her staff is blocking the t, it kinda looks like Seward, so she's now blue because she bought Alaska.
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BJPaskoff posted:Does Garruk count? He's got two! Yeah, I just thought of that. But he hasn't been seen since M15, so gently caress him.
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mcmagic posted:Where is the fun in not being hyperbolic? Seeing TFF regulars post in tg explains a lot, now that you mention it
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Unfortunately, Saheeli dodges it.
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Haha love it. Wrecks stuff like Lantern Control, and puts a big hurt on vehicle deks too.
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Daaaaaaaaaaang. I wonder how good it actually ends up being.
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Sampatrick posted:Guys, I just want you to know that if Nissa ends up seeing no play at the PT I'm going to link to all of you saying the card is amazing and draw a really bad MS Paint Told Ya So sign. I just want all of you to consider that before making any claims about this card being amazing, because I am not afraid to use my bad MS Paint skills to embarrass you. YCS BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So is this main or side in Modern Burn? E: this is probably too bullish, drat that's strong though
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TheKingofSprings posted:So is this main or side in Modern Burn? Its hard to say. Its easier to cast than eidolon but probably procs less times on average. It does have the upside of doing 0 damage to you and damages your opponent without targeting them. Its also not an enchantment. A mix is probably best.
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Sickening posted:Its hard to say. Its easier to cast than eidolon but probably procs less times on average. It does have the upside of doing 0 damage to you and damages your opponent without targeting them. Its also not an enchantment. A mix is probably best. How much does this actually do against the average modern deck?
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So fetching isn't a mana ability right? Is this the missing two drop red has been looking for?
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Rinkles posted:How much does this actually do against the average modern deck? It activates with fetchlands. YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Rinkles posted:How much does this actually do against the average modern deck? Lets see. Fetches Street Wraith (possibly any creature cycle?) any activated ability of artifacts (relic/bauble/ee/equipment stands out) Fulminator mage lavamancer scooze tasigur ballista endbringer basically anything in affinity Tons more i am sure. Needs to be played to get a better idea.
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I don't think it works with Street Wraith since it cycles as a card, not as a permanent.
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Rinkles posted:How much does this actually do against the average modern deck? It's pretty bad for the scales, snake, and ballista deck I just built! There are ravagers, too. Complete hoser! Sad!
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