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Internet Kraken posted:There's no indication that the dragons were not willing to coexist with humans and gods after they came to be. Kalameet. He attacks you for no discernible reason. There's no indication he's been corrupted by the Abyss or anything either. Then again, we know it's possible due to Midir... but then again that just makes Gwyn more right to really want nothing to do with the Abyss. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Johnny Joestar posted:considering that the age of dark is part of the natural order I feel like unnaturally extending the age of fire because your crew happens to be in charge is the definition of selfishness Yeah, exactly. I mean, maybe Gwyn thought he was the hero, but he's kinda fooling himself.
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Tallgeese posted:The thing is that we do have an idea of what happens when humanity breaks free of their seal: it kills on contact, and has the explicitly noted tendency to love doing that. There kind of is Vendrick posted:Dark was seen as a curse. and Locusts posted:And so, she lived in fear. Of the dark, of the things that gnawed at her flesh. It's not the abyss that causes all that nasty poo poo, but the fire cast on darkness. The locusts are a questionably trustworthy source but Vendrick's pretty on the up and up.
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Time_pants posted:So... how significant is the "Improved scaling at high DEX levels"? Is it a significant difference? Is it just specific weapons? Is it so drat good that it might compel someone to dump levels in DEX after 40 as a principal focus of a build? Or is it basically just, "if you have extra points left over, putting them in DEX isn't objectively the WORST option"? It's not as good value as going high strength since you don't get any two-handed bonus. On the other hand dex weapons are much more suited to weapon buffs, I'd be more inclined to try out some 40/40 dex/magic builds after the dex/sharp infusion changes. It's basically a buff for naked katana mans who refuse to stoop to the dishonor of using magic and don't want vit for poise.
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Tallgeese posted:Kalameet. He attacks you for no discernible reason. His reason is that he's loving pissed off because the gods and humans have been running around killing all of his friends. The only reason Kalameet is still alive is because he's such a badass that every attempt to kill him has failed miserably. Its not hard to understand why he might have a policy of killing everything he sees on sight now. Kalameet was likely just as content as the other ancient dragons before the war began and he became filled with wrath. There's plenty reason to believe the dragons would of been fine if not for Gwyn being an rear end. The fact that his son was able to ally himself with them is a pretty huge indication that Gwyn was in the wrong. Tallgeese posted:Then again, we know it's possible due to Midir... but then again that just makes Gwyn more right to really want nothing to do with the Abyss. The funny thing is, there's no real indication that Midir is corrupt. He is very clearly influenced by the dark, but he is still serving his duty as a guardian of the city. He attacks you because you are an intruder seeking the Dark Soul. He still remembers his duty, despite Shira's concern that he will forget it. Now would he have forgotten it eventually, or was Shira simply acting out of her fear of all things dark? The game doesn't say either way.
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The series isn't super ambiguous with the fact that Gwyn is wrong either. In ds1 most of this information was hidden to trick you into thinking that linking the fire was the objectively good ending when it really wasn't. Then ds2 and especially SotFS came around and basically outright stated that Gwyn was bad and wrong for what he did. The ringed city just clarified how the gods hosed everything up in explicit terms.
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I didn't notice before how all the areas appear to be sinking. In contrast to Lorthic rising up unnaturally on a peak. Like it's absorbing the rest of the world.
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Genocyber posted:It's not the abyss that causes all that nasty poo poo, but the fire cast on darkness. The locusts are a questionably trustworthy source but Vendrick's pretty on the up and up. I honestly would just interpret what Vendrick was saying was that people feared the Dark because of what Fire gave them, and in comparison Dark really did not look good. What he's suggesting is that instead of fearing the Dark, you learn to use it. Which sounds reasonable, until you realize that nobody seems to have successfully done it. That's the point of his last dialogue, to suggest you can have it both ways. Except... can you really? And then they never do anything with this idea. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 04:42
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there isn't a good outcome for anybody in the dark souls "natural order" really, just a bunch of assholes scrabbling for the power to control different sides of the same coin. which is why the dlc ends with someone else creating a gentle and goodly home that people truly fed up with it can escape to.
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alf_pogs posted:there isn't a good outcome for anybody in the dark souls "natural order" really, just a bunch of assholes scrabbling for the power to control different sides of the same coin. which is why the dlc ends with someone else creating a gentle and goodly home that people truly fed up with it can escape to. Filled with peaceful and kind inhabitants, no doubt.
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I must be the only person who doesn't make character "builds." I just keep leveling up. I know you'll eventually get out of level range, but RPGs are always about getting more powerful for me. Whats a good greatsword and ultra greatsword for a beginner at pvping? The Claymore has a nice poke with both one and two handed, but I'm not sure about ultra greatswords. The Fume UGS WOULD have been a favorite but the moveset has been changed to a generic one instead of the awesome set it had in DS2. Its one handed R1R1 was a vertical slash followed by a horizontal slash, and the two handed R2 was that unique attack that briefly blocks attacks during the beginning. Node fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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alf_pogs posted:there isn't a good outcome for anybody in the dark souls "natural order" really, just a bunch of assholes scrabbling for the power to control different sides of the same coin. which is why the dlc ends with someone else creating a gentle and goodly home that people truly fed up with it can escape to. Yeah and pretty soon that will be full of murderous crows.
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You gotta realize that Dark Souls is basically a Berserk ripoff. And, just like in Berserk where Griffith is the hero, Gwyn is in the right.
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Internet Kraken posted:Yeah and pretty soon that will be full of murderous crows. zombie dragons too
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Tallgeese posted:You gotta realize that Dark Souls is basically a Berserk ripoff.  
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Internet Kraken posted:His reason is that he's loving pissed off because the gods and humans have been running around killing all of his friends. The only reason Kalameet is still alive is because he's such a badass that every attempt to kill him has failed miserably. Its not hard to understand why he might have a policy of killing everything he sees on sight now. Kalameet was likely just as content as the other ancient dragons before the war began and he became filled with wrath. Plus I mean, he seems to live there. If some dude just walked into your home dressed in armor and knives you'd probably feel threatened. Especially if he got some rear end in a top hat to shoot you in the arm then started to stab you in the rear end because he could make a sword out of your asscheeks. Tallgeese posted:You gotta realize that Dark Souls is basically a Berserk ripoff. Griffith totally isn't the hero, Rickert is.
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You know you've come up with a "good" build when all 4 pieces of it require twinkling titanite 
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Nuebot posted:Griffith totally isn't the hero,
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Nuebot posted:Griffith totally isn't the hero, Rickert is. Ehhh, mmm... I'll allow it. This one actually makes sense if you think about it. But I don't think anyone can deny that Guts is absolutely the villain. Similarly, Dark Souls double subverted itself. First it made you think Gwyn was heroic, then it made you think he was the villain... but if you think about it, nope he was being the hero all along. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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you'd think that after 3 games and 6 dlcs that people would at least pick up on one of the biggest, semi-coherent plot threads throughout them instead of thinking Actually, Gwyn Was Perfect And Did Nothing Wrong, yet, here we are
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I think the ultimate message of dark souls is that life is a struggle, and the only alternative is boring.
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Well yeah, it's very Buddhist, especially in 2. Minus the "boring" part.
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Is berzerk a good read? Always been curious about it since dark souls seems to such an homage to it and I thought that Guts dude was super cool looking when I was a kid.
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veni veni veni posted:Is berzerk a good read? Always been curious about it since dark souls seems to such an homage to it and I thought that Guts dude was super cool looking when I was a kid. Yep. The art in particular is amazingly detailed and basically pure eye candy. I mean, heads up, its extremely dark and brutal, but you probably already understand that. I can't recommend it enough to souls fans. The manga is a masterwork; the original anime is old but okay, the movies are good but have bad CG animation at times, and the new anime sucks pretty bad. Panels like this just make me stare  
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veni veni veni posted:Is berzerk a good read? Always been curious about it since dark souls seems to such an homage to it and I thought that Guts dude was super cool looking when I was a kid. It's a very good fantasy series that feels kinda similar to a Greek epic. It starts off a bit rough but the art is always pretty great, and the writing is fantastic. It's incredibly violent, and has a fair amount of gratuitous rape. If you can handle Game of Thrones levels of that stuff it's well-worth checking out.
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Is it something I can pick up a few trade paperbacks of or it one of those things that spans many years/offshoots...I never really know where to start with comics, especially manga. Never had any luck finding it at a comic store.
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veni veni veni posted:Is it something I can pick up a few trade paperbacks of or it one of those things that spans many years/offshoots...I never really know where to start with comics, especially manga. Never had any luck finding it at a comic store. Its a single long run that has been going for like all of Miura's life and will never end. But you can pick up individual chapters or whatever and just burn through them at your own pace. And there's no offshoots. Start at the beginning and take your time  https://www.amazon.com/Berserk-Vol-1-Kentaro-Miura/dp/1593070209/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492060442&sr=8-1&keywords=berserk+vol+1 The original anime and movie both cover the early chapters, which are very good. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Did they nerf the frames on parries at some point? The number of parries I've seen people fail is massive, and I haven't actually been parried in ages. It feels weird. Please, everyone knows Guts should wear the fallen knight set and use a dark sword.
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Where.....is the dark sign? Like, on your body? Undead all have the gross veins radiating out from their heart but that isn't a firey ring encircling a black void. And is there a lore excuse for you having a darksign in DS3 before talking to Yoel, or did they just need an item to let you warp.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Where.....is the dark sign? Like, on your body? Undead all have the gross veins radiating out from their heart but that isn't a firey ring encircling a black void. dude you don't even want to know
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I'll show u my black hole with a fiery ring around itTallgeese posted:And, just like in Berserk where Griffith is the hero,
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IronicDongz posted:not to ruin the joke but in case you're serious Griffith summoned a bunch of demons to murder and rape his friends so he could gain the power to create a false utopia, which is only the only safe place in the world because he utterly hosed over everywhere else my dude Please the first mass sacrifice was just so he could turn into a demon. It was two sacrifices later that he turned the world into a shithole filled with monsters that only he could save the people from Also Re: Dark Sign. I think it's different on each undead? Lucatiel's was on her face, those big shrek dudes in 2 had it on their chest. I guess you can assume most hollows just have it somewhere under their clothes.
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It looks like the rear end is now just a worse longsword with more stat requirements. It's weaker than a longsword when both are raw, at least at base level.
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So Archdragon Peak is just future Dragon Eyrie, and the Archdragon itself just future Ancient Dragon, right?
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Nuebot posted:Please the first mass sacrifice was just so he could turn into a demon. It was two sacrifices later that he turned the world into a shithole filled with monsters that only he could save the people from When she pulled off her mask and she just has a very tame discoloration on 1/4th of her face i got disappointed as hell. I was expecting some elephant man poo poo.
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Zaphod42 posted:Its a single long run that has been going for like all of Miura's life and will never end. Bought it, looks sick. Also DLing the series.
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