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I imagine that like most crazy rich children of crazy rich people they're not overly invested in politics or social issues beyond the surface level. Like, they might lean liberal but no one's been making an effort to change Fox News and no one's going to before it starts affecting the money. Hence why Bill's in trouble. He hosed with the money. edit: All day. I'm posting too much. 
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Bill is such a massive Conservative figures and his demise would just be enormous. I give him 50/50 odds and while many advertisers have left many have still stuck around and so have his viewers. If anything, I'd rather see Hannity gone before Bill.
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Apr 12, 2017 03:32
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I let myself start believing with the advertisers bolting but I was still pretty doubtful. I'm actually kind of starting to believe right now. But I'm still guarding myself. Taking down O'Reilly would be massive. And honestly, I really believe that getting rid of O'Reilly could potentially destroy Hannity. With O'Reilly and Kelly gone Hannity could jump to the face of the network and if people actually start paying attention to that guy it could turn out real bad for him. Like, there's no limit to the poo poo that gets said and done on his show. Brazen misogyny. White supremacists. Crooked cops. Russian propagandists. Crazed conspiracy theorists. Hannity spends a week every year covering teenage wet t-shirt contests for Spring Break. I mean, Hannity had to shut down a veterans charity because Nashville refused to participate in it anymore because it was a scam to make Sean money. Hannity survives because no one actually takes him seriously enough to pay attention. O'Reilly is downright professional and dignified compared to Hannity and Kelly was drat near a bleeding heart liberal compared to him. Hannity's way, way off the reservation and is the true face of the alt right.
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Apr 12, 2017 03:39
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Tonight was might have been Bills last show quote:According to four network sources, there’s talk inside Fox News that tonight’s show could be his last. Lawyers for the law firm Paul, Weiss, hired last summer by 21st Century Fox to investigate Roger Ailes, are currently doing a “deep dive” investigation into O’Reilly’s behavior. They’re focused now on sexual harassment claims by O’Reilly guest Wendy Walsh after she reported her claims via the company’s anonymous hotline. Fox News co-president Bill Shine has been working hard to keep O’Reilly, sources said. But O’Reilly’s future is in the hands of the Murdochs. “It’s up to the family,” the senior Fox News staffer said. The Murdochs are presently divided over how to handle it. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/is-bill-oreilly-going-off-the-air.html
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Apr 12, 2017 03:50
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STAC Goat posted:I let myself start believing with the advertisers bolting but I was still pretty doubtful. I'm not sure if I'd describe Hannity as alt-right. Maybe the hard-right or Authoritarian Right but you're spot on with the rest. The removal of O'Reilly would immediately move the spotlight on Hannity. It's strange to see Trump in office but FNC move to the left or at least center itself.
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Apr 12, 2017 04:06
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Tab8715 posted:I'm not sure if I'd describe Hannity as alt-right. Maybe the hard-right or Authoritarian Right but you're spot on with the rest. The removal of O'Reilly would immediately move the spotlight on Hannity. None of that is happening though. O'Reilly is just a weirdo perv.
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Apr 12, 2017 04:09
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Yeah. Fox has basically been shedding its "centerish" people who attacked Trump or had an issue with sexual harrassment. Replacing Kelly with Tucker Carlson was a shift right. If O'Reilly goes he'll be replaced with someone who is probably further right than him. And if Hannity rises in status that shifts the entire network hard right and towards Breitbart. I think it would be bad for Fox News to go all Hannity/Breitbart but that's the path they might be going down. Tab8715 posted:I'm not sure if I'd describe Hannity as alt-right. Maybe the hard-right or Authoritarian Right but you're spot on with the rest. The removal of O'Reilly would immediately move the spotlight on Hannity. Yeah, that was a clumsy bit of me getting carried away. But I do think Hannity's kind of the alt right's... harbinger? He's the mainstream Fox News link between them and the alt right. If you're watching Fox News and you want to know what the alt right is talking about you're most likely to hear it first at 10 PM.
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Apr 12, 2017 04:15
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How does an "alt-right" make any sense? Their core viewers are conservative but no where to the paranoia and viciousness of the alt-right.
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Apr 12, 2017 04:28
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I just think Hannity himself pulls from a lot of alt right sources and brings a lot of those things to Fox News. He was the one raising up the Bundys as heroes, playing videos to prove that Hillary was a secret epileptic, and calling Bill Clinton a pedophile because he flew on Epstein's plane. If a crazy alt right story or conspiracy makes Fox News you can probably trace it to either Fox and Friends at 6 AM or Hannity at 10 PM. I agree Fox News itself isn't alt right. That's why any elevation for Hannity would push them farther right and towards the alt right (although certainly not there). But I doubt Fox News would be stupid enough to put Hannity on at 8. I think its more likely they'd stuff someone tamer in there and leave Hannity in his late night quarantine.
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Apr 12, 2017 04:34
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Is Hannity a petty little diva that holds grudges forever? I want them to retry Chowder.
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Apr 12, 2017 05:56
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Apr 12, 2017 06:48
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STAC Goat posted:I just think Hannity himself pulls from a lot of alt right sources and brings a lot of those things to Fox News. He was the one raising up the Bundys as heroes, playing videos to prove that Hillary was a secret epileptic, and calling Bill Clinton a pedophile because he flew on Epstein's plane. If a crazy alt right story or conspiracy makes Fox News you can probably trace it to either Fox and Friends at 6 AM or Hannity at 10 PM. Hannity is not alt-right (AKA nazi). He's a staunch laissez-faire capitalist. They're both lovely as gently caress, but don't blend the terms together or conflate the two.
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Apr 12, 2017 06:58
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Tab8715 posted:How does an "alt-right" make any sense? Their core viewers are conservative but no where to the paranoia and viciousness of the alt-right. Maybe you just know different republicans than me or something.
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Apr 12, 2017 08:01
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Yeah most of the alt-right is really upset at Trump's strike on Syria, and don't want us to go to war over there, while Hannity is cheerleading hard for Trump's strike and the idea of war.
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Apr 12, 2017 15:30
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Good morning! Here's what's happening in the land of RWM today!    wow that Daily Caller headline.And of course your daily dose of Levin: Master Shake posted:On Tuesday’s Mark Levin show, President Trump, like President Reagan before him, has displayed a strength of resolve that has put America’s enemies on notice. When Trump attacked the Syrian airbase, he sent many signals after 8 years of appeasement and capitulation. He signaled to Russia, North Korea, Iran and China that America isn’t to be messed with. President Obama gave our enemies so much leeway that they took advantage of us and we had to reverse course. It's stunning how much he's in the tank for Trump. The only way any of this is believable is if his viewers never actually watch or listen to recordings of 45 himself. "Reaganesque." It gets me every time since Levin's audience fancies themselves intellectuals but even Nattyreview is too embarrassed to endorse Trump directly. Looks like Levin's going to lick Trump's balls to the bitter end, so I'm looking forward to the spin he puts on Trump's continued decline into dementia.
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Apr 12, 2017 15:58
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"Thankfully digging up dirt" is phrased in such a way they are openly admitting that they can rest easy as the victim has a reason to be ignored. A stupid Washington DC local journalist yesterday had to delete a tweet where she was bragging about how much poo poo she was getting on him which didn't go over as well as she thought it would then played it as " people are being so mean to me so I'M the real victim here, not the guy that was beaten on an airplane."
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Apr 12, 2017 16:01
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Radish posted:"Thankfully digging up dirt" is phrased in such a way they are openly admitting that they can rest easy as the victim has a reason to be ignored. A stupid Washington DC local journalist yesterday had to delete a tweet where she was bragging about how much poo poo she was getting on him which didn't go over as well as she thought it would then played it as " Some people are just hardcore authoritarian followers. For the majority of the right (and many on the left) Altemeyer's The Authoritarians explains a lot of their behavior, to the point that it has helped me accurately predict people's responses. (If a model helps me made accurate predictions rather than just explaining things ex post facto I consider it to be pretty good.) The Narrativism of Prester Jane, fascinating analysis that it is, explains the behavior of a small minority. To give an example, I have a conservative friend who is comfortable with -- even seeks out queer spaces, and is fine with clothing styles and music that are broadly transgressive in current American society, but if there's a conflict between an authority he considers legitimate and some individual, he tends to side with the authority; since he views the police, private corporations, etc as legitimate authorities, this makes his worldview inherently reactionary. However he doesn't generally doesn't consider himself to be in a crusade against an all-powerful other and is surrounded by liberal friends that I can tell he has no animus for. Xibanya fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Apr 12, 2017 16:14
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I can understand it to some extent. If you have to look at how broken some parts of our system is (for instance how we have armed authority figures brutalize a non-violent man for not exiting a plane he paid to be on in full public view) it raises a lot of uncomfortable questions about society that most people don't really want to have to consider. It's much easier for Investigative Journalist to figure out how that guy deserved it and there actually isn't a problem then consider the horror of being a few minutes away from being beaten and dragged somewhere for not following orders in a country that constantly emphasizes how free we are.
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Apr 12, 2017 16:18
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Alienwarehouse posted:Hannity is not alt-right (AKA nazi). He's a staunch laissez-faire capitalist. They're both lovely as gently caress, but don't blend the terms together or conflate the two. Again, I apologized for calling him alt right (it was dumb and me just getting carried away) and clarified that he just references them a lot and gets stories from them. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Apr 12, 2017 18:40
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The odds of Fox News moving to the left thanks to the Murdoch kids is about as likely as the Trump administration becoming more friendly to women and the environment because of the influence of ~*~ Ivanka ~*~
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Apr 12, 2017 19:05
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CubanMissile posted:The odds of Fox News moving to the left thanks to the Murdoch kids is about as likely as the Trump administration becoming more friendly to women and the environment because of the influence of ~*~ Ivanka ~*~ Yeah, even when time finally claims Murdoch senior, his kids will suckle at the teet of old people for money. Not anything new considering their upbringing.
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Apr 12, 2017 19:09
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LOL you think 0.00001%ers like Murdoch does shave one hell of a complicated Soul Jar and deal with Death and Satan.
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Apr 12, 2017 19:27
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"Hey man, you signed an agreement that you can be removed." Ignoring that you have no loving choice if you want to fly and this should not be normal. But anything to lick the bottom of the corporate shoe.
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Apr 12, 2017 20:42
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Also, I've read a few articles saying that companies pulling their advertising from this particular show aren't pulling their advertising from Fox, they're just moving their ads to other shows on the network.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:11
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Yeah, this isn't about Conservatism or Trump. This is because Bill's a sexual predator and Fox News has a "pervy" stink on them after the Ailes stuff so its not as easy to dismiss. They are NOT moving left/center. They've shed all their people who didn't jump on the Trump train besides a few elder statesmen like Krauthammer and Wallace. And even with that George Will still got the boot.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:16
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Holy poo poo that Daily Caller headline, what the gently caress.
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Apr 12, 2017 23:00
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Hannity was beating the war drum real hard on his show today. I got legitimately angry at him, because he was upset about the soldiers who have died overseas for Bush's wars. No, he wasn't angry that they were sent over there in the first place. He's angry that they died "for nothing" because we "didn't finish the job in Iraq." In other words, he's implicitly admitting he would be 100% cool with our sons and daughters dying in war as long as we win. So in that vein, he's not saying "We shouldn't go into Syria because soldiers would die and we'd make an even bigger mess," he's saying "We need to go in, but do it right this time and not give up before we're done!"
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Apr 12, 2017 23:54
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Sir Tonk posted:Holy poo poo that Daily Caller headline, what the gently caress. "Afflicting the comfortable and comforting the afflicted. Except the opposite of that."
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Apr 13, 2017 00:38
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Twelve by Pies posted:Hannity was beating the war drum real hard on his show today. I got legitimately angry at him, because he was upset about the soldiers who have died overseas for Bush's wars. No, he wasn't angry that they were sent over there in the first place. He's angry that they died "for nothing" because we "didn't finish the job in Iraq." In other words, he's implicitly admitting he would be 100% cool with our sons and daughters dying in war as long as we win. So in that vein, he's not saying "We shouldn't go into Syria because soldiers would die and we'd make an even bigger mess," he's saying "We need to go in, but do it right this time and not give up before we're done!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc2OvrpzjvM&t=80s
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Womp womp https://twitter.com/clarkriemer/status/852200968892665856
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Twelve by Pies posted:Hannity was beating the war drum real hard on his show today. I got legitimately angry at him, because he was upset about the soldiers who have died overseas for Bush's wars. No, he wasn't angry that they were sent over there in the first place. He's angry that they died "for nothing" because we "didn't finish the job in Iraq." In other words, he's implicitly admitting he would be 100% cool with our sons and daughters dying in war as long as we win. So in that vein, he's not saying "We shouldn't go into Syria because soldiers would die and we'd make an even bigger mess," he's saying "We need to go in, but do it right this time and not give up before we're done!" He was also championing Trump (big surprise) for "doing what he said he would do", completely ignoring all the times when Trump urged Obama not to act militarily in Syria.
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Apr 13, 2017 00:56
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Twelve by Pies posted:Hannity was beating the war drum real hard on his show today. I got legitimately angry at him, because he was upset about the soldiers who have died overseas for Bush's wars. No, he wasn't angry that they were sent over there in the first place. He's angry that they died "for nothing" because we "didn't finish the job in Iraq." In other words, he's implicitly admitting he would be 100% cool with our sons and daughters dying in war as long as we win. So in that vein, he's not saying "We shouldn't go into Syria because soldiers would die and we'd make an even bigger mess," he's saying "We need to go in, but do it right this time and not give up before we're done!" Someone please post the penrose stairs made of soldier coffins and Bush walking on them cartoon. tia.
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If you actually read the Daily Caller article, you will see that they and other alt-right personalities are trying to spin some media smearing the United passenger as an indictment of all lamestream liberal media and further proof that leftists are the real corporatists/racists who will defend big government attacking an innocent Asian man. The "thankfully" is sarcasm.
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Apr 13, 2017 01:53
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Speaking of cheerleaders... I'll skip the first half of this post where Scott says that no other president before Trump ever tried to do anything about North Korea, favor of him talking about how great the past few days have been for Trump. Dilb posted:This has been a good week for President Trump. So far, we have seen:
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Apr 13, 2017 02:06
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Scott Adams is saying that Trump "started in the deepest hole of any president ever". How does one become this dumb and ahistorical and unconvincing?
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Edible Hat posted:Scott Adams is saying that Trump "started in the deepest hole of any president ever". How does one become this dumb and ahistorical and unconvincing? I think he means w/r/t public opinion of him though I'm guessing that's also a lie. Pretty ridiculous that a guy who got famous writing cartoons lampooning office work and business is now sucking the dick of the stupidest loving idiot to ever live because he's "a successful businessman"
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Edible Hat posted:If you actually read the Daily Caller article, you will see that they and other alt-right personalities are trying to spin some media smearing the United passenger as an indictment of all lamestream liberal media and further proof that leftists are the real corporatists/racists who will defend big government attacking an innocent Asian man. The "thankfully" is sarcasm.
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PhazonLink posted:Reminder Rush fans were an early 90s example of a fandom with it's own nickname Dittoheads. I thought this was about the prog rock band at first. I guess both of them love rich people and hate moochers. Scott Adams posted:5. The healthcare issue is moving forward after the initial trial-balloon that was more of a negotiating step than a real proposal. Remember, if Trump gets what he says he wants, then he won, but if he doesn't, then it was just part of the negotiation and he'll eventually win anyway. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 06:09
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Adams posted:You can tell me other presidents have had better starts. But I doubt that is the case. Keep in mind that Trump started in the deepest hole of any president, ever. He’s already halfway out of the hole and establishing himself as a strong leader on international issues.
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For the record James Murdoch is more socially liberal than his father, but he's also way more Ayn Rand capitalist true believer. His interesting quirk, however, is he's a hardcore environmentalist. He made Sky HQ in London only use rainwater for toilets! But more interestingly it's directly at odds with his father. Droopy bought some land to build some god-awful golf course or holiday resort on and Jimmy kept trying to turn it into a self-sustainable vegetable farm. He lost, of course, because Droopert always gets what he wants.
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