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bewbies posted:I...actually kind of liked that movie although I haven't seen it in a solid decade. The thing is it paints the events as a hard fought US victory that ultimately vindicated the airmobile concept but with a fictional successful attack on day 3 and ending before day 4 where they all got ambushed while marching to another landing zone and suffered heavy casualties.
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Fangz posted:Yeah. I'm not sure in this particular case, actually. There's water being created in this reaction as well that might affect the volume if it condenses fast enough, but it might just be a bad example I chose. I'm used to working where convection draws off the exhaust, which I think is actually the better comparison for most flamethrower victim scenarios. The fire consumes a ton of primary air for it's reaction and the convection of hot gasses rising away sucks air in from wherever it can. Maybe we can get in touch with a stuntman who's gotten a little too much on fire and find out what it was like. glynnenstein fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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glynnenstein posted:I'm not sure in this particular case, actually. There's water being created in this reaction as well that might affect the volume if it condenses fast enough, but it might just be a bad example I chose. I'm used to working where convection draws off the exhaust, which I think is actually the better comparison for most flamethrower victim scenarios. The fire consumes a ton of primary air for it's reaction and the convection of hot gasses rising away sucks air in from wherever it can. I just don't think that works fast enough relative to reaching 3% CO concentration which is really easy.
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Fangz posted:I just don't think that works fast enough relative to reaching 3% CO concentration which is really easy. Possibly. With boilers you're working with very clean exhaust because you're striving for efficient primary air volumes, so very low CO production (theoretical perfect combustion would be no CO at all). I'm not sure how much CO a napalm fire produces or how quickly. In the confines of a cave where you rapidly starve the oxygen you'd be producing relatively a lot of CO from incomplete combustion, too.
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Alchenar posted:The thing is it paints the events as a hard fought US victory that ultimately vindicated the airmobile concept but with a fictional successful attack on day 3 and ending before day 4 where they all got ambushed while marching to another landing zone and suffered heavy casualties. If you're watching Mel Gibson movies with the intent of getting accurate depictions of historical events you're doing it wrong.
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Forgotten Weapons did a few good videos on flamethrowers a while ago! https://youtu.be/ts55TNp1Fq4
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Molentik posted:Forgotten Weapons did a few good videos on flamethrowers a while ago! The guy who has actual access to a flamethrower says CO is what kills, which is good enough for me!
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glynnenstein posted:The guy who has actual access to a flamethrower says CO is what kills, which is good enough for me! https://youtu.be/mOnH_deRTHw At 3:00 in: "gross, paneling, also lol at this wall" 5:30 in:  E: 20:00 in: 
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bewbies posted:If you're watching Mel Gibson movies with the intent of getting accurate depictions of historical events you're doing it wrong. Still not as silly as Apocalypto; that mass sacrifice happened in 1480, well before the Spanish arrived.
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sullat posted:Still not as silly as Apocalypto; that mass sacrifice happened in 1480, well before the Spanish arrived. The best part of that movie was when they told the guy to rub some kind of spicy leaf on his junk to improve his chances of knocking his lady up and he comes screaming out of his hut
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bewbies posted:If you're watching Mel Gibson movies you're doing it wrong.
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FAUXTON posted:The best part of that movie was when they told the guy to rub some kind of spicy leaf on his junk to improve his chances of knocking his lady up and he comes screaming out of his hut And then she comes out screaming as well. Kind of a dick move, if you ask me.
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FAUXTON posted:https://youtu.be/mOnH_deRTHw Did you mean to post this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPQYK5ZMbWY
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chitoryu12 posted:Did you mean to post this video? No, I meant to post the gun wall one because it's downright impressive and there's one gun in the middle that's all scorched on one side because its owner was roasted by a flamethrower.
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FAUXTON posted:No, I meant to post the gun wall one because it's downright impressive and there's one gun in the middle that's all scorched on one side because its owner was roasted by a flamethrower. Except the part blocked by his hand, dang.
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Apocalypto is good movie and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. We Were Soldiers is middling and other Mel Gibson flicks suck, yes, but Apocalypto is good, and it's admirable imo to make a film about indians filmed entirely in the appropriate language. Braveheart is also good for a comedy watch. It was on tv the other day, and jesus, lol.
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Has the whole 'hoho, I am so evil, I'm gonna shoot my own guys in the back in the middle of combat because we'll get some of them as well' Hollywood thing ever historically happened?
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Not quite the same but french Knights at crecy charged over their own crossbowmen to get at the English army
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Fangz posted:Has the whole 'hoho, I am so evil, I'm gonna shoot my own guys in the back in the middle of combat because we'll get some of them as well' Hollywood thing ever historically happened? This is clearly personal bias but pretty much the entirety of "Zero Dark Thirty"
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Fangz posted:Has the whole 'hoho, I am so evil, I'm gonna shoot my own guys in the back in the middle of combat because we'll get some of them as well' Hollywood thing ever historically happened? If there are I'm putting my money on it being nazis.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Apocalypto is good movie and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. We Were Soldiers is middling and other Mel Gibson flicks suck, yes, but Apocalypto is good, and it's admirable imo to make a film about indians filmed entirely in the appropriate language. Sure, but then the ending spoiled it. The Spanish arrival saved the main character, seemed too much like the old argument that Christianity was such a great gift, it outweighed any harm done to the natives. Maybe that wasn't the intentional meaning, but that's how I read it, and given Gibson's personal beliefs...
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GotLag posted:Wood has issues of its own. Can't for the life of me remember where I read it, but Australian SMLEs with stocks made of coachwood were apparently notorious for splitting. I own one of those. gently caress that gun and gently caress that wood. Awful stuff (but pretty) RE: SMGs and stamped metal guns: it has nothing to do with the pressure of the cartridges being used and everything to do with recoil. Simply put welding thin pieces of metal together was still a developing art in the 1930s and the welds you could make weren't that strong. The recoil from a pistol cartridge is a lot less than the recoil from a rifle cartridge, which means you're far less likely to pop your welds. The Germans in particular put a lot of thought into the problem and got very good at it, eventually leading up to stamped and welded MGs. It's no mistake that the first widely adopted post-war stamped and welded assault rifle was the CETME, a gun made under contract for Spain by some engineers named Heckler and Koch who used to work for Mauser during the war. You can also see this in the development of the AK. It started out life with a milled receiver and eventually moved to stamped receivers as they figured out how to do that right. Interestingly they never went stamped (eventually extruded) + welded like most German post-war guns did, sticking to riveting in the trunnions. No, I don't know why, although I suspect it has something to do with welding techniques in the USSR ca. the 1950s. RE: that movie about the medic. I loving lost it when the dude picked up a body and used it as a shield. First off, a human upper torso is going to be goddamned HEAVY. Even if you were WWF-grade ripped you're not going to just hoist 75 pounds of limp flesh like that. The way he was moving it around made it REALLY obvious that it was a latex dummy. Goddamn. Also bodies don't stop bullets like that. Maybe, MAYBE pistol rounds but the full sized rifle rounds that the Japanese were using in that scene? In one side, out the other, and into Brosef McBenchPress's chest. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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It's actually really interesting to me to look at the evolution of what's a practical way to make military firearms; increasingly intricate forgings (sometimes in aluminum) being one school of thought, stampings being another, and now making receivers out of extrusion? I feel like the production methods have evolved to the point where there won't be a clear consensus on what is cheapest...
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mekilljoydammit posted:It's actually really interesting to me to look at the evolution of what's a practical way to make military firearms; increasingly intricate forgings (sometimes in aluminum) being one school of thought, stampings being another, and now making receivers out of extrusion? I feel like the production methods have evolved to the point where there won't be a clear consensus on what is cheapest... Don't forget plastics. Injection molding completely revolutionized pistols and it's working its way into rifles.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Don't forget plastics. Injection molding completely revolutionized pistols and it's working its way into rifles. Right - usually not for structural things though, I don't think? The SCAR is kind of what I'm looking at for Western-oriented current "best" production practices.
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mekilljoydammit posted:Right - usually not for structural things though, I don't think? The SCAR is kind of what I'm looking at for Western-oriented current "best" production practices. There are a few companies making AR lowers out of plastics now. One is a really good design that fundamentally changed the lower (Cav Arms was the original company, then whoever they sold out to is making them today) and there were a few early designs which were identical to aluminum lowers and had problems with breaking along the buffer tube ring. Apparently a few other companies have fixed that, but I'm not super up to date on it now. I've got one of the plastic cav arms lowers and it's a great rifle. Light as hell and zero problems. Really, though, we just need to start designing rifles around the material. We're still in the early stages. It's kind of like how the first stamped SMGs were essentially milled designs that they retrofitted for the new tech (see MP38 to MP40 transition), but within a few years they were churning out guns specifically designed for that type of production. Making a gun designed for an aluminum lower plastic is tricky. What we need is the Glock of rifles - a gun designed from the ground up around polymer structural parts that minimizes its weaknesses (fracturing in stress areas, for example) and maximizes its strengths (incredibly thin spots where not structurally important - e.g. how thin the walls of a Glock's magwell can be, and how this lets you do double stack in a relatively narrow grip).
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sullat posted:Sure, but then the ending spoiled it. The Spanish arrival saved the main character, seemed too much like the old argument that Christianity was such a great gift, it outweighed any harm done to the natives. Maybe that wasn't the intentional meaning, but that's how I read it, and given Gibson's personal beliefs... That's true, I kinda forgot the ending since it's been a while. The new AMC show The Son, set in Texas half in 1849 and half in 1915, has a lot of comanches so far speaking english, spanish, and comanche. They seem like assholes in the just-aired first episode but the main character is an anglo captive so it's to be expected they'd be dicks to him. It seems like it's going to end up with the main guy and the comanche being fairly chill so I hope it does them a decent portrayal. I was born a few miles from the last major battle between the US cavalry and the Comanche so I'm invested, anyway.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Broken clock is right once in a while, but there is some much wrong or half assery in that movie that caused so much damage. couldn't remember the plot if you asked me
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HEY GAIL posted:my friends and i watched it for the props Mean english committing all the movie standby nazi atrocities. You know the bit with locking the villagers in teh Oradour-sur-Glane church and lighting it on fire? Or the Riga synagogs? Yeah, replace  with redcoats. 
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Cyrano4747 posted:There are a few companies making AR lowers out of plastics now. One is a really good design that fundamentally changed the lower (Cav Arms was the original company, then whoever they sold out to is making them today) and there were a few early designs which were identical to aluminum lowers and had problems with breaking along the buffer tube ring. Apparently a few other companies have fixed that, but I'm not super up to date on it now. Hell, while I'm at it, this was posted over in TFR recently. It's a pretty good breakdown of what the current state of the art is at least as far as ARs go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI5NPiicXjE
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HEY GAIL posted:my friends and i watched it for the props It's exactly the same plot as Braveheart, except in the Patriot he wins and in Braveheart he fucks the princess and then gets quartered. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Phanatic posted:It's exactly the same plot as Braveheart, except in the Patriot he wins and in Braveheart he fucks the princess and then gets quartered. Good times
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Syria is Russia's playground for high tech weaponry. Afghanistan is ours.
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Syria is Russia's playground for high tech weaponry. It took us years, billions of dollars and our best minds but we did it..... a really loving massive bomb. Let's get pizza
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If you price the MOAB by taking the development cost plus the cost of the initial order and then divide it among the number that have been used in wartime, well, it's like a $300 million bomb we dropped because it's the first one. The actual ticket price is of course lower because you don't count the program cost like that but it's a solid example of Pentagon wars poo poo where we just heap millions on arms manufacturers for poo poo we never use outside Aberdeen or wherever the appropriate proving ground/testing range is. It was developed in 2002 and has been in the stockpile since 2003 so that bomb almost made it to high school.
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FAUXTON posted:It was developed in 2002 and has been in the stockpile since 2003 so that bomb almost made it to high school. A real shame. It had a long life ahead of it.
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