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Rhyno posted:Tell me about the greater Charlotte NC area. Get ready to die
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Apr 13, 2017 22:32
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yo Sean Spicer is the protagonist.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:32
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Lightning Lord posted:Sean Spicer is the protagonist. Spicy: Front Line would be a real capper (crapper?) on this event.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:33
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Lightning Lord posted:Sean Spicer is the protagonist. This would be spectacular so no Does anyone care if I put it in tags because I just realized some connotations that go with it and hooooooooo doggy
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Apr 13, 2017 22:53
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You may as well, I'll ask, I haven't been by a shop to see it
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Apr 13, 2017 22:57
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yo Steve nukes somewhere, I dunno, Latveria?
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Apr 13, 2017 22:58
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Splashpage photo-op of Marvel President Trump shaking hands with Nazi Captain America?
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Apr 13, 2017 22:59
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END ME SCOOB posted:You may as well, I'll ask, I haven't been by a shop to see it It's not out till FCBD. OK SERIOUS SPOILERS COMING UP IN THESE TAGS DONT CLICK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS it ends with cap, who is a nazi, remember, wielding mjolnir, because by beating the poo poo out of the heroes so thoroughly Hydra is now worthy Which is hysterical considering the whole white supremacist hardon for Norse mythology and the fact that Spencer said Cap would be anti-nazi punching
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Apr 13, 2017 22:59
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Everyone else's ideas are way better than this comic
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Apr 13, 2017 23:00
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I'm pretty sure the end of the FCBD already leaked a while back? I remember people talking about it in the Marvel thread.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:01
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X-O posted:I'm pretty sure the end of the FCBD already leaked a while back? I remember people talking about it in the Marvel thread. Oh whatever I don't read BSS really anymore I just saw it and had to pop in and cackle madly
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Apr 13, 2017 23:02
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Jesus, Marvel. I still am in awe of how this got through so many hands without a single "Wellllll..."
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Apr 13, 2017 23:03
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Oh whatever I don't read BSS really anymore I just saw it and had to pop in and cackle madly Well what you posted is different that what was posted before. Anyway what we know about Mjolnir and being worthy has completely changed in the last few months anyway since we've learned that the hammer is sentient and worthiness apparently depends on the person holding it and how they view themselves in the case of Thor. So who knows what's happening there.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:06
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X-O posted:Well what you posted is different that what was posted before. Anyway what we know about Mjolnir and being worthy has completely changed in the last few months anyway since we've learned that the hammer is sentient and worthiness apparently depends on the person holding it and how they view themselves in the case of Thor. So who knows what's happening there. Shows what I've been missing by not keeping up on Thor
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Apr 13, 2017 23:09
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Shows what I've been missing by not keeping up on Thor It's from the recent Unworthy Thor mini where it's finally revealed that Thor is unworthy because he doesn't believe he's worthy anymore and that the Gods are a sham.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:11
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Is it the regular hammer (rectangular) or the Ultimate one (shaped more like an axe)? Because it actually matters with regards to motivation. Still incredibly tone-deaf either way, though.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:12
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CapnAndy posted:Is it the regular hammer (rectangular) or the Ultimate one (shaped more like an axe)? Because it actually matters with regards to motivation. Still incredibly tone-deaf either way, though. The former, we sort of know what's going to happen with the latter
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Apr 13, 2017 23:12
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X-O posted:It's from the recent Unworthy Thor mini where it's finally revealed that Thor is unworthy because he doesn't believe he's worthy anymore and that the Gods are a sham. I guess I didn't realize that meant the hammer was sentient
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Apr 13, 2017 23:14
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I guess I didn't realize that meant the hammer was sentient
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Apr 13, 2017 23:16
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'If you think you're worthy, you're worthy' isn't a stupid idea, and brings potential for some interesting stories, but it makes absolutely no sense within canon, and I do not expect Nick Spencer to handle this as anything but 'pretty dumb' at best.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:17
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RandallODim posted:'If you think you're worthy, you're worthy' isn't a stupid idea It super is.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:20
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Also while Cap is definitely a villain, there's no two ways about that he's a bad guy now, he's not a Nazi. In fact the entire story they've been telling in his book is about him trying to kill Red Skull and take Hydra back from him because of how Cap thinks Skull has completely sullied it by aligning with Nazi ideals. Kobik made Steve loyal to the ancient order of Hydra not to Red Skull. I know it's a lot more fun and sensationalist to just say that Cap is a Nazi because it's an easy joke but that's not what's actually in the story. Cap is absolutely a bad guy though so there's no arguing that. BENGHAZI 2 posted:I guess I didn't realize that meant the hammer was sentient That was revealed in Jane's book.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:20
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Pretty sure Nick Spencer is gonna do some stupid poo poo that's a hamfisted metaphor for all the political nonsense going on in the world today that he thinks is a super, super clever reversal of all the Nazi Cap stuff and he'll be all "Now wasn't that payoff worth it guys?" and everyone will be "gently caress no" and in response Marvel will launch an X-Men Gold/Blue style back to basics meat and potatoes Captain America where he's punching Nazis.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:25
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X-O posted:Also while Cap is definitely a villain, there's no two ways about that he's a bad guy now, he's not a Nazi. In fact the entire story they've been telling in his book is about him trying to kill Red Skull and take Hydra back from him because of how Cap thinks Skull has completely sullied it by aligning with Nazi ideals. Kobik made Steve loyal to the ancient order of Hydra not to Red Skull. I know it's a lot more fun and sensationalist to just say that Cap is a Nazi because it's an easy joke but that's not what's actually in the story. Cap is absolutely a bad guy though so there's no arguing that. It's all loving stupid
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Apr 13, 2017 23:25
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:It's all loving stupid I'm not going to argue that point with you. I completely understand why people don't like it or want to read it. Personally I'm a fan of the inversion trope in comics and I love when by circumstance a hero is forced to be a villain and villain is forced to be a hero. I loved how this story started out in Cap's book but the middle kind of lost me with the last few issues getting me back into it. I clearly see why a lot of people don't like it though so I wouldn't try to argue that the story is worth reading to someone who has written it off. I do feel that it's kind of important to get the details of it right though when talking about it whether you like it or not.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:30
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X-O posted:Also while Cap is definitely a villain, there's no two ways about that he's a bad guy now, he's not a Nazi. In fact the entire story they've been telling in his book is about him trying to kill Red Skull and take Hydra back from him because of how Cap thinks Skull has completely sullied it by aligning with Nazi ideals. Kobik made Steve loyal to the ancient order of Hydra not to Red Skull. I know it's a lot more fun and sensationalist to just say that Cap is a Nazi because it's an easy joke but that's not what's actually in the story. Cap is absolutely a bad guy though so there's no arguing that. This used to be the story for how Hydra aren't nazis too. Red Skull was working with them out of convenience, wasn't a true believer etc. But now Skull's just the nazi guy.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:33
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There aren't enough differences between what Cap is and what a Nazi is for me to be ok with this story.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:34
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X-O posted:I'm not going to argue that point with you. I completely understand why people don't like it or want to read it. Personally I'm a fan of the inversion trope in comics and I love when by circumstance a hero is forced to be a villain and villain is forced to be a hero. I loved how this story started out in Cap's book but the middle kind of lost me with the last few issues getting me back into it. I clearly see why a lot of people don't like it though so I wouldn't try to argue that the story is worth reading to someone who has written it off. I do feel that it's kind of important to get the details of it right though when talking about it whether you like it or not. It's all been loving stupid since minute one and "well actually Cap isn't really a nazi" is like the least of the problems
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Apr 13, 2017 23:43
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X-O posted:I'm not going to argue that point with you. I completely understand why people don't like it or want to read it. Personally I'm a fan of the inversion trope in comics and I love when by circumstance a hero is forced to be a villain and villain is forced to be a hero. I loved how this story started out in Cap's book but the middle kind of lost me with the last few issues getting me back into it. I clearly see why a lot of people don't like it though so I wouldn't try to argue that the story is worth reading to someone who has written it off. I do feel that it's kind of important to get the details of it right though when talking about it whether you like it or not. I prefer when like, the Sandman realizes being a villain is dumb rather than a space cube making Captain America Actually, A Nazi All Along
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Apr 13, 2017 23:44
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Aphrodite posted:This used to be the story for how Hydra aren't nazis too. Red Skull was working with them out of convenience, wasn't a true believer etc. Skull has always had the ties to Nazis in the books though. Hydra was originally just another spy organization like SHIELD. I mean there's been no shortage of Hydra stories that have nothing to do with Skull or his allegiances. Stories with Bob from Deadpool or that really fun Secret Wars one shot about a Hydra agent wouldn't be as fun as they were if there Nazi connections always hanging over them. The MCU is largely where Hydra and Nazis are indistinguishable. In the comics Hydra goes all the way back to ancient Egypt and has been a foe of SHIELD since then. After the Pleasant Hill stuff Hydra leadership was pretty much wiped off the table and very few pockets of the original organization remained. The current incarnation of Hydra in the books was reassembled by Red Skull after that and does indeed draw primarily on hate groups and that's why he and Steve are at odds now.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:46
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Lightning Lord posted:I prefer when like, the Sandman realizes being a villain is dumb rather than a space cube making Captain America Actually, A Nazi All Along Didn't you hear he's not actually a nazi
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Apr 13, 2017 23:47
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Unrelated I should be allowed to give a stone cold stunner to anyone who asks if we price match
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Apr 13, 2017 23:50
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do you price match
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Apr 13, 2017 23:50
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Lightning Lord posted:I prefer when like, the Sandman realizes being a villain is dumb rather than a space cube making Captain America Actually, A Nazi All Along It can be fun either way. Carnage being a hero in Axis wasn't a sudden change of heart and it's really fun. This Cap story isn't fun though I'll grant you that. There's nothing fun about it at all. And that's why I kind of lost interest midway through. The last few issues picked up but I'm also at the point where I'm ready for Secret Empire to just go ahead and happen so we can get back to basics with Cap as well. I'm just afraid that also means Sam going back to being Falcon which I don't really want to see.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:53
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RandallODim posted:do you price match Get ready for a stunner
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SPOILERS https://imgur.com/nCSDk4T
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Apr 14, 2017 00:21
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The issue with "oh ho but Captain America is loyal to Hydra, not the Nazis" is kind of immaterial where the Secret Cosmic Cube History That Is the Real History Now is that: 1) HYDRA was formed by evil reptile aliens hoping to form a "legacy of evil". 2) Thousands of years ago, these evil reptile aliens corrupt a secret Japanese society and one of them became The Beast, the demon that runs the Hand. ~~a really long time passes~~ 3) The Hydra Society is a murderous fascist organization in the 1920s intent on ruling the world as a totalitarian dictatorship. 4) The Hydra Society murders Steve Rogers's parents and take him in to indoctrinate him into their fascist order. 5) The Hydra Society really wants to use WWII to their advantage for their plan to take over the world, so they join the Axis. 6) A few people, including Steve Rogers, go "I don't know, that HItler seems like a bad fellow" but they're outvoted. 7) Throughout WWII, Hydra acts on behalf of the Axis powers and work directly with the Nazis to try to conquer the planet. This include Steve, who is basically a deep cover agent for the Axis against the US/Allies, and in doing so Steve does his best to secretly help the Zemos who are working with Nazis to blow up Allies forces.[/b] 8) Near the end of the war as the Axis falls apart, the Red Skull comes in and is all "ha ha I am taking over Hydra to make it more Nazi-ish, just try and stop me!" 9) Steve's immortal demonic surrogate mother tells him that yeah, Nazis are kind of bad but you know, this is all part of a master plan, so let's just go along with the Nazi co-option of Hydra because eventually we'll still take over the world. 10) In the present day, Steve Rogers's grand vision of a totalitarian fascist a) b) c) Giant d) Hydra in Nick Spencer's narratives aren't Nazis in the same way that having a hate group called the Sons of the Serpent who wear So yeah, Steve Rogers isn't a Nazi. He's just nationalist fascist dictator who works for immortal alien demons intent on rule of evil, and who engage in alliances of convenience with Nazis. And has pretty much the same goals as Nazis. And uses Nazi tactics. But he doesn't even LIKE Nazis! Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Apr 14, 2017 |
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Apr 14, 2017 00:24
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Has anyone ever written a comic about all the B- and C-list supervillains who were scientific geniuses, doctors, inventors, and engineers banding together and deciding that robbing banks is stupid, and they could make more money actually using their brains and their ingenuity for something productive and good? They could be competitive with the superheroes who used to beat them up and send them to jail by creating things to help and even save the world, to be thought of as even greater heroes by the general public. It could be kind of a redemption story, but redemption almost out of spite. That's a story I've always wanted to see or even write. Has it been done before, either by Marvel or DC?
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That kind of happened in 52. I think as part of the Black Adam plot? Well, not the doing good part.
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