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i was sincerely expecting it to cost 4R so i'm cool with that aspect of it also hella sweet art
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Apr 13, 2017 20:51
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mcmagic posted:This doesn't seem great. it's no flame-tongue kavu, but then again, what is *leaves oragami manticore on your doorstep*
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Apr 13, 2017 20:53
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Fling with flashback.
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Apr 13, 2017 20:54
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It could have just said "a creature" and been a cool variant of ftk but no, it has to be a different creature, because...
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Apr 13, 2017 20:56
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GeneX posted:It could have just said "a creature" and been a cool variant of ftk Everything is "another creature" instead of "a creature" with Wizards these days. From a design and flavor perspective I think it's the right call. Something weird about so many creatures sacrificing themselves outside of Black, and even then...
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Apr 13, 2017 21:02
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GeneX posted:It could have just said "a creature" and been a cool variant of ftk I feel like in a Limited game, the player who has a 4 mana removal spell that can also be an attacker and can be cast twice, is probably going to win.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:02
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mossyfisk posted:I feel like in a Limited game, the player who has a 4 mana removal spell that can also be an attacker and can be cast twice, is probably going to win. I don't give a poo poo about limited
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Apr 13, 2017 21:07
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GeneX posted:It could have just said "a creature" and been a cool variant of ftk Flametongue Kavu can only hit creatures and not players, and has to hit a creature so it will destroy itself on an empty board or kill another one of your guys if your opponent has none.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:07
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Flametongue Kavu can only hit creatures and not players, and has to hit a creature so it will destroy itself on an empty board or kill another one of your guys if your opponent has none. I know this I also know that I want the modal 4 mana burn spell with flashback in standard
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Apr 13, 2017 21:08
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GeneX posted:I don't give a poo poo about limited Mods?! Shouldn't this be ban-worthy?!
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Apr 13, 2017 21:08
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Mods?! Shouldn't this be ban-worthy?! If the mods banned everyone who made bad life decisions there wouldn't be anyone left to post
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Apr 13, 2017 21:11
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Firebatgyro posted:If the mods banned everyone who made bad life decisions there wouldn't be anyone left to post Worth it.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:12
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This set looks really neat in a "not full of broken bullshit" way.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:34
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Apr 13, 2017 21:43
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Firebatgyro posted:If the mods banned everyone who made bad life decisions there wouldn't be anyone left to post also the mods don't care about the magic: the gathering thread
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Apr 13, 2017 21:54
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Smashing Link posted:Everything is "another creature" instead of "a creature" with Wizards these days. From a design and flavor perspective I think it's the right call. Something weird about so many creatures sacrificing themselves outside of Black, and even then... The notion of slitting your own throat just to fizzle a Lightning Helix and spitefully prevent the gain of three health is Black as gently caress, so any black sac outlet at instant speed should be self-applicable. Meanwhile, the notion of existing only for the purpose of suicide assault is Red as gently caress, so red ETB sacs or anything else where a creature's entire lifespan could end up being less than Ball Lightning's should be self-applicable. And in the event that you do one of the above but for reasons other than being a total dick, you're WX gold card. IMHO.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:54
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
It's too bad these two cards don't recur each other
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Apr 13, 2017 21:59
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ShaneB posted:This seems to indicate something like a Goblin Rabblemaster would not need to be continually acknowledged, but Surrak's would: https://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2016/10/18/do-not-pass-go/ Hahaha that article completely contradicts how they ruled at the Pro-Tour quote:Triggers Are Still Around
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Apr 13, 2017 22:01
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2RR for a 4/3 is already a pretty good deal, the Fling is a nice bonus and Embalm is excellent icing. A+ for limited.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:01
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St0rmD posted:Hahaha that article completely contradicts how they ruled at the Pro-Tour Yeah isn't this like entirely opposite? I'm so loving confused.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:04
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Apr 13, 2017 22:12
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Eikre posted:The notion of slitting your own throat just to fizzle a Lightning Helix and spitefully prevent the gain of three health is Black as gently caress, so any black sac outlet at instant speed should be self-applicable. A few years back I remember them saying that black cards would stop being able to sacrifice themselves to emphasize the selfish part of black. See Blood Bairn vs Nantuko Husk. I haven't been paying close enough attention to know if they've kept to that.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:16
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The rule was that creatures could still sacrifice themselves if that would do something (e.g. viscera seer) but not if it wouldn't (e.g. nantuko husk). Not sure how well they've stuck to that.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:18
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I've lost more than one game online where I click a bloodthrone vampire and because MODO sucks you can't tell if it worked or is just lagging so you click again and it eats itself to pump itself. So adding another is mostly just a practical consideration.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:22
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cheetah7071 posted:The rule was that creatures could still sacrifice themselves if that would do something (e.g. viscera seer) but not if it wouldn't (e.g. nantuko husk). Not sure how well they've stuck to that. Quickly scrolling through recent black sac outlets, looks like you're right. Defiant Salvagers can sacrifice itself but that's probably because revolt is in the same set and everything else back to M14 at least that's not in a reprint set seems to follow.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:23
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lol I wonder if this is Wizards trying to "fix" blink creatures so that they can't be used in infinite combos. E: wait, it already doesn't come back til the end step, so I don't even know what the combat-only restriction is about. A blinker that you can't use to save your guys from removal for some random reason? OK.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:26
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I've lost more than one game online where I click a bloodthrone vampire and because MODO sucks you can't tell if it worked or is just lagging so you click again and it eats itself to pump itself. So adding another is mostly just a practical consideration. A cool thing I've noticed playing MM3 online is that anything that is able to sac itself to its own ability has an extra dialogue ask if you want to do that for sure. Probably to prevent issues like the one you described.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:27
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So you can use this at end of turn and the creature won't come back until the end of the next turn, correct? Probably still not good enough.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:28
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It resets your exert guys, mazes an attacker and surprise blocks another, saves a dude when they spend a trick to win combat, or just rebuys an ETB trigger. Seems fine.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:30
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Sickening posted:So you can use this at end of turn and the creature won't come back until the end of the next turn, correct? Probably still not good enough. Correct on both counts, assuming you meant constructed. It'll be fine in limited.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:31
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:It resets your exert guys, mazes an attacker and surprise blocks another, saves a dude when they spend a trick to win combat, or just rebuys an ETB trigger. Seems fine. Also if the creature blinked has revolt, it triggers itself (I'm thinking about Deadeye Harpooner, Vengeful rebel and Renegade Rallier)
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Apr 13, 2017 22:34
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Don't forget that that card permanently kills embalm tokens
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Apr 13, 2017 22:41
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So I'm going to assume there will be some day zero errata for Glorious End since, as it stands, the 'lose the game' clause never happens.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:44
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Mikujin posted:So I'm going to assume there will be some day zero errata for Glorious End since, as it stands, the 'lose the game' clause never happens. Yes it does...?
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Apr 13, 2017 22:45
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TheKingofSprings posted:Don't forget that that card permanently kills embalm tokens Seems like a good limited card at least.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:45
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Mikujin posted:So I'm going to assume there will be some day zero errata for Glorious End since, as it stands, the 'lose the game' clause never happens. Isn't it just a delayed trigger that goes on the stack at the end of your next turn? The card still resolves in order to activate the "End the turn" effect in the first place.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:47
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TheMaestroso posted:A cool thing I've noticed playing MM3 online is that anything that is able to sac itself to its own ability has an extra dialogue ask if you want to do that for sure. Probably to prevent issues like the one you described. It does now. It didn't until very recently.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:50
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St0rmD posted:Hahaha that article completely contradicts how they ruled at the Pro-Tour Wasn't the issue this: The head judge said that cesar was attempting to, during the beginning of combat step, crew his Heart of Kiran and pump it using the welder's ability. This is not a legal play. So basically it was a targeting issue, NOT the crewing issue? He didn't declare a target at all with the trigger when it went on the stack when he went into combat.
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There's some sort of Amonkhet Preview Show going on according to my twitch notifications, no idea what's in it
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