Final Fantasy Record Keeper - Shout Shout, Let it All Out

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NGDBSS: Dec 30, 2009

Ohtsam posted:

Ff6 had them

FF6's XP dungeons weren't good for farming, though, just for bragging rights. The problem there was that instead of fighting some moderately souped-up trash monsters, you had to fight Kefka. Five times. (Yes, you could retreat and reload but that got really tedious and was still not very rewarding.*) At the highest levels he had nearly 100K HP each time. It ended up being a more monotonous version of FF5's Gil Turtle, which at least could be defanged with Drawtaliate. So to answer this:

Elephant Ambush posted:

Better question: why doesn't every realm have xp dungeons?

It's because much of the time those XP dungeons aren't actually good.

*To clarify here, the thing was that even the ++ version of Kefka gave out less XP than Sundaily and with no additional rewards of note. And because he was a boss rather than just some trash enemy, you couldn't just bring along a collection of randos with XP-boosting RMs to get some new levels; instead you'd want to make actual preparations and use already powerful characters to kill him before he started flinging AoEs.

NGDBSS fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 14, 2017

# ? Apr 14, 2017 17:36

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# ? May 28, 2024 00:33

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

Ohtsam posted:

Ff6 had them

He's technically still correct.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 17:52

Alxprit: Feb 7, 2015; <click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

It simulates the true FF3 experience.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 18:24

Zurai: Feb 13, 2012; Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

Because FF3 is the only realm with a character who absolutely must be leveled to maximum to be any use at all.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 18:38

Nihilarian: Oct 2, 2013

Getting 2 OSBs and an 8* katana has made all my 3* reforged III synergy worthless apparently.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 18:58

Pander: Oct 9, 2007; Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.

Nihilarian posted:

Getting 2 OSBs and an 8* katana has made all my 3* reforged III synergy worthless apparently.

that's powercreep!

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:01

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

3* reforging is worthless from the get go unless you are really, really just starting out

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:02

Zurai: Feb 13, 2012; Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

Cowcaster posted:

3* reforging is worthless from the get go unless you are really, really just starting out

Or you have 3 star +element gear for rare elements or element/equipment combos.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:04

Pander: Oct 9, 2007; Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.

Zurai posted:

Or you have 3 star +element gear for rare elements or element/equipment combos.

yes if you're one of the very tippy top of power gamers who has the time and energy to track that level of detail feel free to do so.

Otherwise just be a normal person and enjoy clearing out space in the inventory for stuff that works beyond an incredibly narrow range of applications.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:08

Nihilarian: Oct 2, 2013

yeah I'll probably be selling all my physical 3* stuff from now on, unless it has an element boost. It'll cut down on my inventory chaff, at least

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:08

Baku: Aug 20, 2005; by Fluffdaddy

Hogama posted:

Scott

I can't get over this guy being a playable character.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:11

Nihilarian: Oct 2, 2013

Pander posted:

yes if you're one of the very tippy top of power gamers who has the time and energy to track that level of detail feel free to do so.

Otherwise just be a normal person and enjoy clearing out space in the inventory for stuff that works beyond an incredibly narrow range of applications.

I wish that I'd kept the poison rods I sold a long time ago since it would give Quistis a decent weapon to use in FF8, since her BSB doesn't come on a magic stick

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:11

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

actually it's always good to ask questions and learn so let someone correct me if i'm wrong: aside from +element edge cases, a reforged 3* with synergy generally winds up neck and neck with a capped out off-synergy 5* right? so as long as you've collected a decent stock of any 5*'s regardless of realm you're effectively covered as far as reforging 3*'s go.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:13

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

wizard on a water slide posted:

I can't get over this guy being a playable character.

Is that better or worse than a personification of world destroying darkness being a playable character?

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:15

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

wizard on a water slide posted:

I can't get over this guy being a playable character.

Why? It's not like it's the first time.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:20

NGDBSS: Dec 30, 2009

Fister Roboto posted:

Is that better or worse than a personification of world destroying darkness being a playable character?

That reminds me, how many characters at this point are final bosses for their respective games? Hopefully I'm not missing anyone.

Garland from 1.
The Emperor from 2.
Cloud of Darkness from 3.
Exdeath from 5.
Kefka from 6.
Sephiroth from 7.
Kuja from 9.
Jecht from 10 is debatable, since while his powered-up form is the last real boss Yu Yevon is technically after him.
Vayne from 12.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:26

Roland Jones: Aug 18, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

Well, IX has Necron after Kuja, but Kuja's the big bad villain and Necron's more of this symbolic/thematic thing or whatever.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:33

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

Roland Jones posted:

Well, IX has Necron after Kuja, but Kuja's the big bad villain and Necron's more of this symbolic/thematic thing or whatever.

Which is why COD being playable is so weird. Why not Xande, an actual character? I guess the answer to that is "because Dissidia" but then you have to wonder why they went with COD over Xande there as well.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:37

way to go steve: Jan 1, 2010

Cowcaster posted:

actually it's always good to ask questions and learn so let someone correct me if i'm wrong: aside from +element edge cases, a reforged 3* with synergy generally winds up neck and neck with a capped out off-synergy 5* right? so as long as you've collected a decent stock of any 5*'s regardless of realm you're effectively covered as far as reforging 3*'s go.

I can actually check this. A reforged black belt gi (iii) has 5 atk and 140 def/res with synergy. A bartz cloak has 17 atk, 110 def/res fully upgraded but not combined. Faris usb coat has 19 atk and 146 def/res.

So a reforged 3star should be ahead of non synergy natural 5star, but slightly behind natural 6star. Not really gamebreaking, but better than I originally thought.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:47

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Fister Roboto posted:

Which is why COD being playable is so weird. Why not Xande, an actual character? I guess the answer to that is "because Dissidia" but then you have to wonder why they went with COD over Xande there as well.

For Dissidia: because they had the original Amano art for Cloud of Darkness, and wanted to use it somewhere, as it doesn't appear in FF3. Also, they wanted to add a woman to the villain team (even though the Cloud of Darkness is a sexless force of nature and uses plural pronouns).

In Record Keeper, FF3 should give us Dorga and Unei someday IMO.

Prism fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Apr 14, 2017

# ? Apr 14, 2017 19:49

UHD: Nov 11, 2006

There's always Ultimecia. Even though the last thing FF VIII needs in this game is another loving black mage.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 20:06

Hogama: Sep 3, 2011

JP's recent-ish survey thing had a category for future duos wanted that Rude and Elena won, but it was multiple choice with others being Doga and Unei, and Kelger and Xezat. Feels more like a "who do you want FIRST" vote, really.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 20:10

Galaga Galaxian: Apr 23, 2009; What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!

NGDBSS posted:

That reminds me, how many characters at this point are final bosses for their respective games? Hopefully I'm not missing anyone.

Its arguable whether he counts as THE final boss, but gimmie Gaius van Baelsar from FFXIV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb3_4GGHjR8

Bonus points if his BSB makes him go Gold/SSJ-Mode like he does when he fights the WoL.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 20:45

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Its arguable whether he counts as THE final boss, but gimmie Gaius van Baelsar from FFXIV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb3_4GGHjR8

Bonus points if his BSB makes him go Gold/SSJ-Mode like he does when he fights the WoL.

I could get behind Gaius.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 21:07

U-DO Burger: Nov 12, 2007

UHD posted:

There's always Ultimecia. Even though the last thing FF VIII needs in this game is another loving black mage.

Only if her OSB is just her smashing the target with a giant K

# ? Apr 14, 2017 21:21

Randabis: Apr 2, 2005

I want an exdeath tree form costume.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 22:13

xedo: Nov 7, 2011

Now that I've had a chance to go over my drops from the anniversary draws, can I get some advice on how to improve my physical and mage teams? I'm both unsure of what is best, and ignorant about what stacks and what doesn't.

My high end loot is:
Leon (bsb)
Onion Knight (both SSBs)
Luneth (bsb)
Pecil (bsb)
Edward (bsb)
Bartz (bsb and osb)
Gilgamesh (bsb and osb)
Terra (bsb)
Cloud (bsb2 and osb)
Aeris (bsb)
Reno (bsb)
Squall (osb)
Quistis (bsb)
Kuja (bsb)
Tidus (bsb)
Lightning (bsb and osb)
Vanille (bsb)
Alphinoud (bsb and deployment tactics)
Vaan (bsb and osb)
Agrias (everything but the osb)
Orlandu (bsb and osb)

Also Ystola wall, sheepsong, dreamstage, minfilia's last stand, paplymo ley lines, and basch's apocalypse shield.

I've been running Yshtola, OK, Agrias, Orlandu, and Vaan as my physical team. Is there a better mix now available to me? And who would make for a good mage team, particularly who has good stacking buffs?

# ? Apr 14, 2017 22:55

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

is cid raines the last boss of ff13? i didn't play ff13

# ? Apr 14, 2017 22:58

NGDBSS: Dec 30, 2009

Cowcaster posted:

is cid raines the last boss of ff13? i didn't play ff13

No, he ends up biting the dust about 2/3 of the way through. Instead some Barthandelus/Orphan merger (the latter controls most of the human infrastructure in the setting) is the final boss.

In general FF13's setting gets deeply weird and complicated once you start looking at it hard.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 23:04

YoshiOfYellow: Aug 21, 2015; Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

Cowcaster posted:

is cid raines the last boss of ff13? i didn't play ff13

Nah. He's a major antagonist for awhile but he's not The Big Bad.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 23:05

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

It's actually really hard to tell if Raines was a good guy or a bad guy because FF13's story was a complete mess.

Maybe that's why his BSB does dark and holy damage.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 23:26

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

The best thing to come out of FF13 was Type 0. It's the only game from that entire pseudo-series I enjoyed playing.

# ? Apr 14, 2017 23:29

Cattail Prophet: Apr 12, 2014

Raines was also only really an antagonist for, like, a single scene. He "betrays" the party, monologues at them for a while, they fight him, he monologues some more, and then he dies*.

*Dying in XIII-land is a very fluid concept.

E: Unless you're Hope's mom. Then you're super ultra mega dead.

Cattail Prophet fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Apr 14, 2017

# ? Apr 14, 2017 23:35

pichupal: Mar 23, 2013; Poochy ain't Stupid.
I might be.

You can die, but you'll come back to life for any future CG cutscenes, probably to die again.

I think Rosch gets killed three times?

# ? Apr 14, 2017 23:41

Pander: Oct 9, 2007; Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.

pichupal posted:

You can die, but you'll come back to life for any future CG cutscenes, probably to die again.

I think Rosch gets killed three times?

this sounds like the whose line is it anyway of ff games

nothing matters
everything's made up
nobody ever dies

# ? Apr 15, 2017 00:31

Panic! at Nabisco: Jun 6, 2007; it seemed like a good idea at the time

FFXIII's plot makes so little sense because the CG cutscenes were done early in the dev process by necessity (since they take so long), and any story rewrites had to work with unchanged cutscenes. This is why extremely important plot information (like the entire cosmology, which is why anything happens in XIII in the first place) is in the datalog, because they couldn't add more cutscenes talking about it.

# ? Apr 15, 2017 00:39

Baku: Aug 20, 2005; by Fluffdaddy

Cid Raines should've been the final boss of FF13, he's a much more compelling character than the things that are and having a Cid be the main villain of a FF game would be cool

# ? Apr 15, 2017 00:48

KataraniSword: Apr 22, 2008; but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

wizard on a water slide posted:

and having a Cid be the main villain of a FF game would be cool

FF12 came close. That Cid (the one actually named just "Cid", not Suave Latin Lover Al-Cid who literally only existed for a single cutscene) was far more "major villain" than Vayne, even if Vayne was the one that had the roided out One Winged Angel form and was technically Cid's boss (in the employment sense). He's the Kefka to Vayne's Gestahl, basically.

# ? Apr 15, 2017 01:36

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

is it raines like rhymes with "pains" or raines like rhymes with "pines"

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KataraniSword: Apr 22, 2008; but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Cowcaster posted:

is it raines like rhymes with "pains" or raines like rhymes with "pines"

"Sid Rains", if I'm to trust a cutscene I googled up in two minutes. Which means they ignored the fact that "Cid" was originally pronounced to rhyme with "seed".

# ? Apr 15, 2017 01:43

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