|
ImpAtom posted:They recently retconned it so that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are no longer Magneto's kids The truly dumbest part about the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver retcon is in Axis it makes a big deal about how Magneto isn't their father. (Because evil Scarlet Witch tries using a spell on their bloodline and it doesn't effect Magneto. So "lol he can't be their dad.") Then the first arc of Uncanney Avengers is about the unity team fighting the High Evolutionary and he's Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's dad. And at the end it's revealed he isn't their parents. Only the Vision knows who their parents were and it was too shocking for him to tell anyone. Then he gets blown up so many times that even he has probably forgotten it.
|
#
?
Apr 12, 2017 23:08
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 11:58 |
|
|
Sixis might be the worst crossover of recent times. That or Civil War II: We Didn't Learn the First Time.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 00:22
|
|
|
They never said High Evolutionary was their dad, just that he took them from their parents and experimented on them.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 00:30
|
|
|
Lightning Lord posted:Sixis might be the worst crossover of recent times. That or Civil War II: We Didn't Learn the First Time. Sixis had some fun tie-ins and minis and gave us Superior Iron Man. Civil War II has nothing.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 00:50
|
|
|
I liked that they also walked that back fairly quickly by revealing that Wanda's aunt was the previous Scarlet Witch, meaning her powers weren't the result of High Evolutionary's tinkering and oh wow this is really complicating the movie division's legal issues around mutant Avengers isn't it? I do like that Mount Wundagore somehow managed to be the Nexus of All Stillbirths though for these events to have occurred. High Evolutionary should maybe have hired an actual OBGYN rather than relying on a humanoid cow.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 00:50
|
|
|
In a way, isn't the High Evolutionary everybody's dad? I live on Counter-Earth, you see.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 00:51
|
|
|
SIXIS also gave us inverted Sabertooth which is great because now he finally has a reason to exist.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 05:05
|
|
|
Rhyno posted:SIXIS also gave us inverted Sabertooth which is great because now he finally has a reason to exist. I haven't read anything with inverted Sabertooth, is he still inverted? Is/was it like inverted Carnage (I liked inverted Carnage)?
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 06:05
|
|
|
Lightning Lord posted:In a way, isn't the High Evolutionary everybody's dad? I live on Counter-Earth, you see. Yeah, whats up with counter earth? The only High Evolutionary comics I have are the x-men annuals from that crossover event in the 80s. Did anyone ever try to fix counter earth or like, know it existed?
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 11:52
|
|
|
Sinners Sandwich posted:Yeah, whats up with counter earth? The only High Evolutionary comics I have are the x-men annuals from that crossover event in the 80s. Did anyone ever try to fix counter earth or like, know it existed? Adam Warlock died for our sins, my son.  
Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Apr 13, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 12:59
|
|
|
bessantj posted:Who has been served worst by retconning? Has someone started out with a conventional origin story but suddenly had it retconned to where their mother is Bilbo Baggins and their father a cloned of Galactus where they used skin from his balls to clone him?
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 13:25
|
|
|
At one point, they turned Sam "Captain Falcon America" Wilson into an ex-pimp or maybe ex-gangster. Something that was kinda lovely.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 13:32
|
|
|
Skwirl posted:I haven't read anything with inverted Sabertooth, is he still inverted? Is/was it like inverted Carnage (I liked inverted Carnage)? They haven't really specified if he's still inverted, but all that happened is he went from being a total rear end in a top hat villain to basically being Wolverine, all antiheroic and remorseful about his past.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 14:29
|
|
|
Inverted Sabertooth is super remorseful because he was a bigger monster than Logan ever was. It seems like he's still inverted I'm Weapon X #1.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 17:18
|
|
|
I don't follow X-comics at all so I have no idea what "inverted" Sabretooth means here. I can't decide if it means he's always upside down or he's depicted looking like Mr. Negative.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 17:24
|
|
|
Lobok posted:I don't follow X-comics at all so I have no idea what "inverted" Sabretooth means here. I can't decide if it means he's always upside down or he's depicted looking like Mr. Negative. His D&D alignment was reversed. Seriously.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 17:27
|
|
|
Why do we need inverted Sabretooth when uninverted Sabretooth is so much better
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 18:25
|
|
|
RandallODim posted:Why do we need inverted Sabretooth when uninverted Sabretooth is so much better The impressive part is that whatever he used for cables completely destroyed the motorcycle but kept Wolverine intact somehow
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 19:20
|
|
|
Endless Mike posted:The impressive part is that whatever he used for cables completely destroyed the motorcycle but kept Wolverine intact somehow The cables couldn't cut through his adamantium skeleton, duh
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 19:24
|
|
|
Yeah I forgot he still had his adamantium when he was depowered.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 19:50
|
|
|
Endless Mike posted:Yeah I forgot he still had his adamantium when he was depowered. I don't think he's depowered there, because that would kill you, adamantium bones or not.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 19:51
|
|
|
Yeah that was pre-depowering
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 19:55
|
|
|
Skwirl posted:I don't think he's depowered there, because that would kill you, adamantium bones or not. Because when I think about realistic renditions of injury, I think about comics! But yeah, I guess I thought it was during that whole part when he was depowered before dying, but I guess I was wrong.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 20:05
|
|
|
haitfais posted:His D&D alignment was reversed. Seriously. Actually, he switched his Path of Enlightenment in Vampire.
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 20:53
|
|
prefect posted:At one point, they turned Sam "Captain Falcon America" Wilson into an ex-pimp or maybe ex-gangster. Something that was kinda lovely. You can thank JM Dematteis for fixing that one.
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 13, 2017 22:05
|
|
|
Honestly I think the ret-ret-con of Sam Wilson from Snap Wilson was the worse retcon. Like they retcon Sam Wilson from being a guy who just so happens to be on an island full of Jack Kirby villains to a drug smuggler trying to help to being a criminal that the Red Skull brainwashed into being a guy who Cap would want to make into his sidekick and then would turn around and use him as a sleeper weapon against Cap is a fine story. Since it ends in Sam Wilson learning the truth and deciding that while he made a lot of mistakes in his past, he is more than anything he had done and all his heroism was genuine. Plus it has scenes where he yells at people that his name is Snap Wilson, ya dig! Then Rick Remender came along and said "no, all that Snap Wilson stuff was the sort of background that could only be created by
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 16:07
|
|
|
Jordan7hm posted:Are you sure it wasn't Spiderman's marriage being nulled? (is it still a retcon if there's a really bad story explanation attached?) I hate this entire retcon. I like that peter has grown up over the years and went from teenage problems to adult problems. It gave him character.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 16:45
|
|
|
I loved Adult Married Spider-man, and I could relate to him. I can't relate to BND/Dan Slott's weird manchild Spider-man who keeps acting like he's a teenager despite being at the youngest in his early 30s, while everyone around him has settled down.
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 16:48
|
|
|
Lurdiak posted:I loved Adult Married Spider-man, and I could relate to him. I can't relate to BND/Dan Slott's weird manchild Spider-man who keeps acting like he's a teenager despite being at the youngest in his early 30s, while everyone around him has settled down. I was kinda hoping they would fix it after the big universe mash up event. Miles Morales is the perfect teen spidey because he's a teen spidey, this would allow Peter to "Grow up" again.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 16:54
|
|
|
Lurdiak posted:I loved Adult Married Spider-man, and I could relate to him. I can't relate to BND/Dan Slott's weird manchild Spider-man who keeps acting like he's a teenager despite being at the youngest in his early 30s, while everyone around him has settled down. Yes, but unfortunately you just described Marvel's target audience.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 18:29
|
|
|
Judging from the sales numbers lately, Marvel's target audience is "nobody".
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 18:35
|
|
|
Lurdiak posted:I loved Adult Married Spider-man, and I could relate to him. I can't relate to BND/Dan Slott's weird manchild Spider-man who keeps acting like he's a teenager despite being at the youngest in his early 30s, while everyone around him has settled down. Same. Spider-Man not being with MJ is fine. I'd have been ok with divorce. I'd have been ok with her dying. I have a major problem with retconning it so that none of that even happened. But comics so whatever. The stories I liked are all still there and eventually someone will retcon it back the other way.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 18:37
|
|
|
CapnAndy posted:Judging from the sales numbers lately, Marvel's target audience is "nobody". It's the diversity's fault 
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 18:56
|
|
|
CapnAndy posted:Judging from the sales numbers lately, Marvel's target audience is "nobody".
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 18:59
|
|
|
I was reading some old comics in my collection and I was looking over Road to Civil War: The Cabal. So my question is this: Was there an appropriate build to the whole "Shoot Hulk into space" thing? Was there some major incident that hosed it all up and forced their hand? The comic implies it was just one last straw of an incident in Nevada with 26 dead but that seems really crazy to shoot him into space over especially when he helped save the world multiple times.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 21:03
|
|
|
OldTennisCourt posted:I was reading some old comics in my collection and I was looking over Road to Civil War: The Cabal. So my question is this: Was there an appropriate build to the whole "Shoot Hulk into space" thing? Was there some major incident that hosed it all up and forced their hand? The comic implies it was just one last straw of an incident in Nevada with 26 dead but that seems really crazy to shoot him into space over especially when he helped save the world multiple times. As I recall, more than one of the Illuminati agreed that it was crazy and would absolutely backfire.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 21:14
|
|
OldTennisCourt posted:I was reading some old comics in my collection and I was looking over Road to Civil War: The Cabal. So my question is this: Was there an appropriate build to the whole "Shoot Hulk into space" thing? Was there some major incident that hosed it all up and forced their hand? The comic implies it was just one last straw of an incident in Nevada with 26 dead but that seems really crazy to shoot him into space over especially when he helped save the world multiple times. If I recall, the situation was that Hulk got exposed to... I dunno, some poo poo, and turned grey and crazy for a little bit and just started wrecking some Nevada town. The Thing showed up and started punching him until he calmed down. Apparently that was the last straw.
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 21:16
|
|
|
Haven't multiple heroes been taken over? I can't imagine this is the first time a hero was brainwashed and killed someone.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 21:21
|
|
|
haitfais posted:As I recall, more than one of the Illuminati agreed that it was crazy and would absolutely backfire. It was Namor.  Also lol at the T'Challa was right line, back in the good ol days before T'Challa went and joined the Illuminati and before he and Namor wanted to kill each other. e: drat I missed this sick burn 
TwoPair fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 14, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 21:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 11:58 |
|
|
Yeah the Hulk thing was written as it being more a straw breaking the camel's back situation, but nobody could really get enough justification on there to cover up the fact that they were being extremely arbitrary and everyone was going to deserve every inch of what they got when he inevitably came back.
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2017 22:10
|
|