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Glenn Quebec posted:I had to yell at my Hong Kong counterparts team. I was on a video conference with them in an actual important meeting. This story kind of will suck because I can't divulge details but they were trying to say that my own data from last year was actually their own and that it was up to date and salient. I'm talking that it was my own, self made excel spreadsheet and PowerPoint coming back at me an entire year later and without any editing whatsoever, being repackaged as up-to-date economic information. So whats the next step? They don't do anything? They actually do the work? Or do they keep ignoring you until the problem goes away?
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How does that even happen  Also, what happened to them? Fired?
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BexGu posted:So whats the next step? They don't do anything? They actually do the work? Or do they keep ignoring you until the problem goes away? Glenn Quebec posted a few stories about his HK colleague's infatuation with him. I like to think that this is all an elaborate setup by her. Produce poor quality work ➡ higher ups want to figure out why HK branch is loving up ➡ Glenn Quebec gets sent over to fix things since he's the main contact ➡ ???? ➡ hunxue baobei.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:26
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Yeah just get with her already Glenn Quebec, she's way into you
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I actually don't know the next steps. I haven't had to deal with a gently caress up of this magnitude before. Suddenly, no one knows who made the info packet. Suddenly no one knows anything. All the sudden the time difference matters an no one is getting back to me timely and when they do, it's some high level rear end covering doubletalk. Ok, so we share economic data with each other. It's fund of funds stuff and what I know about it is piecemeal because of the Chinese wall (hurrrr). This was something I made for last year Q1 finance data. I shared it with her and her entire time and they are supposed to do the same. This meeting is set up with myself and my team before we go upstairs and l suggest XYZ to senior people. They take my recommendation (or don't). All this happens very fast since the poo poo we are dealing with can change just as fast. So, now I have to go up with a sort of "no confidence in our material" because of them. I'm not gonna get out of this unscathed. In my world, it's going to be my fault for not catching this.
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Apr 14, 2017 18:42
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gotta ask who's responsible before the people who hosed up realize they hosed up, that way they might brag about it
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Glenn Quebec posted:I'm not gonna get out of this unscathed. In my world, it's going to be my fault for not catching this. well, when you get fired, there's always the lucrative and exciting field of English education in China
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ladron posted:well, when you get fired, there's always the lucrative and exciting field of English education in China Superbowl to you, saar.
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JaucheCharly posted:Superbowl to you, saar. right back at your plumpy holes, friend
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Glenn Quebec, Chinaed hardest.
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Glenn Quebec posted:I actually don't know the next steps. I haven't had to deal with a gently caress up of this magnitude before. Suddenly, no one knows who made the info packet. Suddenly no one knows anything. All the sudden the time difference matters an no one is getting back to me timely and when they do, it's some high level rear end covering doubletalk. This triggered some Chinese business dealings PTSD I hitherto did not know I had
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I think I'm going to try and brow beat her into getting up to date information by any means necessary. Which will mean the data will be false or wildly inaccurate. Then I'll transfer to a different team. But yeah I got china'd so hard and I did the even get laid.
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Glenn Quebec posted:Which will mean the data will be false or wildly inaccurate. Sounds like you've learned the Chinese way.
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Personally I would make it clear that if they ask you are gonna throw them under the bus, and if the bosses try to blame you then your gonna take everyone down with you. If you report false data that's 100% gonna bite you in the rear end.
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Double Monocle posted:Personally I would make it clear that if they ask you are gonna throw them under the bus, and if the bosses try to blame you then your gonna take everyone down with you. Yeah, document the data from you and them *incredibly clearly*, including dates they were sent over, emails, people you interacted with, screenshots showing the data side by side, meetings when these things were discussed, etcetera. Build a timeline. All on paper so there is literally no wiggle room. Then CC that poo poo to the right people at the right time. Maybe BCC one or two. That is the only possibility of you not being scapegoated. Not saying it will save you, but it's the only thing that might.
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I found something in Wikipedia which just warmed the cockles of my heart.quote:In the 17th century, the idea of a spherical Earth, now considerably advanced by Western astronomy, ultimately spread to Ming China, when Jesuit missionaries, who held high positions as astronomers at the imperial court, successfully challenged the Chinese belief that the Earth was flat and square.[71][72][73]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Ming_China
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hakimashou posted:I found something in Wikipedia which just warmed the cockles of my heart. lmao
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Apr 15, 2017 01:25
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Spell it out for me or bold a sentence or something. They heard the world was round and said "yeah uhhh we all know that. We've known that for 5000 years"?
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hakimashou posted:I found something in Wikipedia which just warmed the cockles of my heart. 5000 years of glorious IP theft
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Astronomy and geography with chinese characteristics. China "The world is flat and square, this we have known for 5000 years and it is supported by our ancient texts" West "actually it's a sphere, check out this astronomy and our maps" China "Yes, earth is a sphere, we chinese have known this for 5,000 years and it is supported by our ancient texts" Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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What possible advantage could there be to having a sphere be 365.25 degrees?
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Baronjutter posted:Astronomy and geography with chinese characteristics. Saving face in ancient times
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VideoTapir posted:What possible advantage could there be to having a sphere be 365.25 degrees? I'm guessing it has something to do with the days in a year. the .25 is because the ancient Chinese invented leap year too. Sammus fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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VideoTapir posted:What possible advantage could there be to having a sphere be 365.25 degrees? it's the number of days in a year, not like it makes any more sense though
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VideoTapir posted:What possible advantage could there be to having a sphere be 365.25 degrees? dude, 5.25 better, pay attention
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hakimashou posted:I found something in Wikipedia which just warmed the cockles of my heart. oh my God lol
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https://twitter.com/mikefossey/status/527630162633187328
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Krinkle posted:Spell it out for me or bold a sentence or something. They heard the world was round and said "yeah uhhh we all know that. We've known that for 5000 years"? Jesuits convinced them that the world was round instead of flat and square like they'd believed for 5000 years, and later on they reinterpreted all their original gibberish to claim "nuh uh, we knew it all along! we invented it!"
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a significant amount of "china invented x/ancient chinese science was so advanced" is based on literally those exact kinds of "reinterpretations" It's led me to believe that the reason that nobody can pin down a good reason for why China "fell behind" or "was surpassed by the west" is because modern historians have been consistently overestimating ancient Chinese achievements, due to a combination of aforementioned face saving bullshit, eurocentric bias, and "Asians are magical" orientalism
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hakimashou posted:I found something in Wikipedia which just warmed the cockles of my heart. 
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Sorry to deviate from the current topic but something just hit me. Haier's stories do seem fantastic and weird but for some reason I just now thought of all the Wong Kar Wai movies I've seen and it all just makes more sense.
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I was leaving work yesterday and got into the elevator and noticed my shoe sole felt a little slippery. I looked down to see a massive puddle of puke all around one side of the elevator. I moved to the other side and saw that the elevator had stopped at a floor. For a split second I worried they person getting on would assume the puke was mine, so I decided if it was an old person I would let them walk into the puke like I had, or if it was a young person I would warn them. It was a young woman, so I told her and she "sanked" me. Then I went to get my hair cut at the place I always go. The guy that usually cuts my hair was not there, and he knows exactly what I want. A very tall, very "pretty" gay man was my barber for the day. To anticipate this, I had my hair cut instructions on my phone (in Chinese, of course) to let him know what I wanted. He looked at it. "Ah.... OK OK, NO PROBLEM...... TING BU DONG!" and then just started slicing away. I used my fingers to show him the length I wanted, and he again said "OK LA" and then started cutting it. It was looking like the style I wanted at first, and then he took out some weird zig-zag scissors and went nuts. The hair pieces were so intense that I had to close my eyes or risk being blinded. I opened them later to see him smiling at me. I now look like generic e-bike delivery man #06. It's like standard "Mainland Guy" hair. Chaoshan Girl came over and when she saw me she stepped back. "Why you look like that? I don't like it. What's wrong with you? You look like a different man." She cowered every time I got near here until I started making fun of her for it. hakimashou posted:I found something in Wikipedia which just warmed the cockles of my heart. I would imagine bringing this with other Chinese would result in them saying foreigners were the ones stealing the ideas from them and this is how laowai are covering up the truth. Dr.Radical posted:Sorry to deviate from the current topic but something just hit me. Haier's stories do seem fantastic and weird but for some reason I just now thought of all the Wong Kar Wai movies I've seen and it all just makes more sense.
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Wong Kar Wai is a Hong Kong director whose movies are usually romance stories between a mean guy and weepy girl. Often the girl is pretty damaged for one reason or another. Specifically I'm thinking of Days of Being Wild
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Fojar38 posted:a significant amount of "china invented x/ancient chinese science was so advanced" is based on literally those exact kinds of "reinterpretations" One of the more amusing, modern episodes of something like this is the book "Zen in the Art of Archery", which hugely influenced modern Kyudo. Essentially, the german dude who wrote it wasn't able to speak japanese, his teacher being a weirdo, and then the german guy interpreting everything that he learned in a "Asians are magical" orientalism sense. Herriegel posted:We entered the spacious practice hall adjacent to the master’s Compared to what his master recounted Awa posted:On that occasion I performed a ceremonial shot (reisha ˆâ). If you're interested, here's the whole article: http://www.thezensite.com/ZenEssays/CriticalZen/The_Myth_of_Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery.pdf
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I've been drinking and working remotely to get all the poo poo together to make sure I don't get China'd and realized this is lose lose because if I do get out of this I'm going to have to take more ownership of the Chinese team and I really do not want that even a little. Sorry about your hair Haier.
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Teamwork with Chinese characteristics. I'm doing a software development project as part of my MSc studies and in the group are two Chinese students. One of them Is a good dude who does his job, communicates decently etc. The other is ... well. Until recently I thought he was just typically bad at coding, but at a recent milestone meeting he managed to surprise even me. As part of the project we have to do a lot of testing, which in software development means organized work. It's his area of responsibility so it hasn't been done, at all. The day before a big milestone meeting he messaged me asking what testing even is. Not a good sign. I tried to explain, at which point he asked if our issue tracker (basically a list of bugs we've found) counts as testing. I explained that no, it doesn't. It's a PART of it but testing is more involved etc. At the milestone meeting he did a presentation of our testing procedures and I was surprised to see that apparently we had generated and passed a lot of test cases according to his statistics. When the instructor pressed him for details he kept avoiding until he finally confessed that it was just our list of bugs. The instructor was confused and explained that these are not remotely the same thing and this really does not count. It was then I got Chinaed. "Ah, well. I asked Der Shovel about this and he said it was OK." I was so shocked by his face-saving lie that I didn't immediately call him out on his bullshit and only later explained to the inctructor and client what had really happened. I guess much face was lost by me on that day, but honestly this kind of bullshit was just so loving alien to me that I couldn't even comprehend it. Who the gently caress even does that? Blatantly lying about me while I'm loving sitting across the table from him!
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Now tell that story in D&D and see how long it takes for them to say indeed it was your fault.
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WarpedNaba posted:Now tell that story in D&D and see how long it takes for them to say indeed it was your fault. Idgi
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Witnessed domestic violence here for the first time. Young couple living in the building across from us. I heard some screaming and went go kanrenao from my window and saw the couple fighting outside their front door with a bunch of stuff there... looked like someone was moving out, maybe? Guy slaps the woman, grabs her by the arm and drags her around a bit while she's crying, then lets go and stomps downstairs to smoke a cigarette. That's all very well and lovely. But I did not expect how... child-tantrum-like this dude was. The woman, sobbing and holding her arm, goes down to talk to him and he whips out his phone, pretends to be talking on it and yells "I'M ON THE PHONE!" at her. Then when it's obvious she's not falling for that, HE starts sobbing and turns away from her most melodramatically. THEN when she still won't leave, he turns around and they talk, but he starts picking at his nails while she talks to avoid eye contact. A little later he turns away from her and kicks at the ground (and misses) like a toddler and stomps off. She follows him and he turns around yelling "DON'T FOLLOW ME!" and "I NEED TO MAKE A CALL!" and eventually to avoid her, he turns and just straight up jumps into some fuckin' bushes, hacking up a lung the entire time as this was the most exercise he'd had in a while. So she stands at the edge waiting for him. Eventually he comes out covered in leaves. They talk a bit more, she's still sobbing (sounding very much like fake sobbing at this point) and pointing at her arm and he's avoiding eye contact by picking leaves off himself. He tries one last attempt to avoid her by walking away, but she walks in front of him to block him at every turn. So then he takes out earbuds, which as far as I can tell aren't even connected to anything, and puts them in his ears pretending to listen to... something. She says something that pisses him off so he rips the earbuds out and throws them on the ground, then shakes his head in pain from ripping them out and, having lost face from showing pain, turns and crouches at the edge of the lot staring into the bushes while the woman retrieves his earbuds for him. Finally he relents and walks back to their apartment. The woman picks up her phone from the ground at the building entrance which I hadn't even noticed before, so I guess he threw her phone out and down three stories...? She started sobbing again but they went into their apartment so that was that for my show. Just... how the gently caress does someone like this exist in reality? This is like cheesy 80s movie spoiled brat behavior.
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