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And potatoes were thought to be unappetizing for a long time due to belief of being poisonous I believe.
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ChaseSP posted:And potatoes were thought to be unappetizing for a long time due to belief of being poisonous I believe. Well, that one makes sense, because every part of the potato plant other than the root is toxic. That's why you have to cut any eyes out.
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There was some belief that tomatoes were poisonous because of their similarity to deadly nightshade, but iirc it wasn't a general or widespread belief.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If you drink a bunch of vodka, smoke a cigarette, eat a ton of pizza and fries, then vomit into a flush toilet, you've just had an evening of delights that were not available to even the mightiest of the ancient Romans. your ambition befits your posting
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Rome is Italy without pasta imagine 
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OwlFancier posted:Potatoes I knew about but not syphilis, it would make sense with the heightened lethality if it was a new disease to most of the old world. Don't forget there were other root vegetables though. Turnips, parsnips etc.
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feedmegin posted:Don't forget there were other root vegetables though. Turnips, parsnips etc. Corn, Potatoes, and Sweet Potatoes did revolutionize farming in many parts of the old world though, by being much more suitable to a bunch of parts of the world than the local domesticates were.
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Strategic Tea posted:Rome is Italy without pasta Who needs pasta when you've got fish goop that leaked out of a jar?
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cheetah7071 posted:Corn, Potatoes, and Sweet Potatoes did revolutionize farming in many parts of the old world though, by being much more suitable to a bunch of parts of the world than the local domesticates were. I recall from my MilArt class that one of potatoes' virtues is that crops weren't ruined as easily by armies trampling over your fields. It still sucked, but you were less likely to starve just because a cavalry troop took a shortcut.
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The big one I've heard is that they (or at least potatoes and sweet potatoes, dunno about corn) have no trouble being planted on hillsides and other formerly un-arable places, which opened up a huge amount of land.
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feedmegin posted:Don't forget there were other root vegetables though. Turnips, parsnips etc. Much as I like turnip it is no potato.
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If I had to subsist on only one staple crop I'd choose potatoes in a heartbeat
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The noble potato is the only crop that can be used to make instant mashed potatoes. Checkmate, corn.
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Koramei posted:The big one I've heard is that they (or at least potatoes and sweet potatoes, dunno about corn) have no trouble being planted on hillsides and other formerly un-arable places, which opened up a huge amount of land. Yep, this one was a huge deal for China. Except the potato cultivation was uphill of the rice and produced a lot of erosion that sometimes turned into a problem for the rice crops below. The rice shortfall was solved in the short term by planting even more potatoes to compensate which naturally made it even worse a few years down the line.
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Ras Het posted:your ambition befits your posting Trajan got to Ctesiphon but he was never able to argue with people on the internet. Take that, ancient dead man!
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A lot of food from 1950 seems weird to me. It's hard to even imagine food from ancient times.
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Grains, meat and seafood, vegetables, herbs and spices?
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ancient food is less weird than 1950s food
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There is a restaurant in Istanbul that serves food that is made using recepies from ottoman times and many of them are before the introduction of new world crops. http://www.asitanerestaurant.com/English/ I made the lamb in melon recipe and it was fantastic. Lots of butter and fat, with sweet and savory flavors. It definitely has allot of similar flavor profiles to Japanese cuisines umami flavor.
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HEY GAIL posted:ancient food is less weird than 1950s food Aspic was a mistake.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Actually, in general, what sort of food did romans or greeks eat? And what was olive oil used for? Did the romans start italian pasta tradition or did that come later? Olive oil was the main fat used for everything. They did have butter but it doesn't seem to have been nearly as popular. Pasta does date back to the Romans (slap anyone who gives you the Marco Polo story). Romans loved really salty food. Spices of all types were used as heavily as possible when available, which wasn't all the time. Long pepper was one of the most common ones, rare in western cuisine now, and they also made good use of grains of paradise. Silphium also was a spice as well as its anti-baby properties. They likely made good use of European local spices and herbs like parsley, thyme, basil, dill, fennel, caraway. They ate lots of breads and bready things. Fish were the main protein source in much of the empire given that most people lived near the Mediterranean. The modern Mediterranean diet, if you remove the New World plants, is not all that different than what Romans and Greeks ate since it's the same sorts of plants and animals available in the same environment.
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Syphilis is the same bacteria as Yaws which has been around in Africa for over a million years.
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LingcodKilla posted:Syphilis is the same bacteria as Yaws which has been around in Africa for over a million years. They are different sub-species with different disease pathologies and vectors.
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HEY GAIL posted:ancient food is less weird than 1950s food
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Didn't someone in this thread way back make a bunch of Roman dishes with pictures and such as well as how they tasted?
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HEY GAIL posted:ancient food is less weird than 1950s food http://www.americanfoodroots.com/recipes/stuffed-crown-roast-frankfurters/
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Jazerus posted:They are different sub-species with different disease pathologies and vectors. So which came first? Seems like yaws did with sypilis perhaps evolving from it with the move east into the new world?
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MisterDuck posted:Didn't someone in this thread way back make a bunch of Roman dishes with pictures and such as well as how they tasted? I have a Roman Cookery book but have never cooked anything from it. If I ever get around to I'll definitely be sharing pictures and opinions.
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sebzilla posted:I have a Roman Cookery book but have never cooked anything from it. If I ever get around to I'll definitely be sharing pictures and opinions. Where in the hell are you going to get all the dormice and lark's tongues??
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quote:He served to the palace-attendants, moreover, huge platters heaped up with the viscera of mullets, and flamingo-brains, partridge-eggs, thrush-brains, and the heads of parrots, pheasants, and peacocks. 7 And the beards of the mullets that he ordered to be served were so large that they were brought on, in place of cress or parsley or pickled beans or fenugreek, in well filled bowls and disk-shaped platters — a particularly amazing performance.
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I definitely feel like I recall someone in this thread making some kind of Roman recipe. I want to say it was like ancient Roman ice cream or something though I could be way off base there. The only thing I remember about it is that the poster was not enthusiastic about it.
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CommonShore posted:There was some belief that tomatoes were poisonous because of their similarity to deadly nightshade, but iirc it wasn't a general or widespread belief. And corn was once thought to be poisonous because people who ate too much (ie nothing else) came down with pellagra.
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We're a couple of centuries of selective breeding away from the originals, makes you wonder how the stuff tasted or how edible it was when it was fresh of the boat.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If you drink a bunch of vodka, smoke a cigarette, eat a ton of pizza and fries, then vomit into a flush toilet, you've just had an evening of delights that were not available to even the mightiest of the ancient Romans. Chocolate (and refined sugar) and coffee, dude..
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The Lone Badger posted:And corn was once thought to be poisonous because people who ate too much (ie nothing else) came down with pellagra. This is because white people never bothered to nixtamalize the corn. It's a good example of how we take other cultures' foods without understanding their preparation at all. Another good example is people eating raw maca flour and then complaining of stomach aches
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Ras Het posted:This is because white people never bothered to nixtamalize the corn. It's a good example of how we take other cultures' foods without understanding their preparation at all. Another good example is people eating raw maca flour and then complaining of stomach aches Even if you nixtamalise you're still going to want to vary your diet a bit. Add beans and squash, say.
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I recall one of the recipes in that Roman cookbook was cakes meant to be baked for religious festivals. They were basically a dough sweetened with honey and a bay leaf then left overnight in an oven that had been used during the day and bake with the residual heat.
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Mr Havafap posted:Chocolate (and refined sugar) and coffee, dude.. This is brought up in Infinite Worlds, where a world-jumping U.S. businessman takes over ancient Rome, and the first thing he does is bribing a Roman admiral to discover the Americas so he can have his cigars and coffee.
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Tias posted:This is brought up in Infinite Worlds, where a world-jumping U.S. businessman takes over ancient Rome, and the first thing he does is bribing a Roman admiral to discover the Americas so he can have his cigars and coffee. Odd, since the coffee plant is native to Ethiopia.
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