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MrLogan posted:You could just get him at 12 and not trade away draft picks. I don't think he will be there. I don't think he is worth the trade up, but if that is the guy they want, and this includes thinking he is better than Wentz last year, they should get him.
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MrLogan posted:You could just get him at 12 and not trade away draft picks. Entirely possible the Jets take a QB at 6 or the Bills pick someone up as a developmental if they're believers between 5-11. The Bills FO seems continually torn on their opinion on Tyrod. The 12th pick is the biggest question mark for the Browns.
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Panthers tier is probably Tier 1: thomas, fournette, Adams Tier 2: mccaffery, Howard Apparently Henry was the pick last year until Vernon slipped.
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Michael Corleone posted:I don't think he will be there. I don't think he is worth the trade up, but if that is the guy they want, and this includes thinking he is better than Wentz last year, they should get him. Ches Neckbeard posted:Entirely possible the Jets take a QB at 6 or the Bills pick someone up as a developmental if they're believers between 5-11. The Bills FO seems continually torn on their opinion on Tyrod. The 12th pick is the biggest question mark for the Browns.
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MrLogan posted:If the Browns think the Jets want one of the QBs, the best thing they could do is trade down to #6. Mostly, I'm just hoping the Bills don't take a QB.
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The Bills are pretty hard to read this year. I think there's a pretty real chance that they take Pat Mahomes in the first.
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As someone who would like Mike Williams to be a Raven I think that's a fine idea.
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FizFashizzle posted:Panthers tier is probably I think they would be happy if Hooker fell to them. After moving Coleman into the box they lacked a playmaker in coverage. Hooker would be a good fit and fill a huge need. Same with Lattimore or one of the other highly touted corners. I know we are high on Bradberry and but Worley/Munnerlyn is serviceable at best and a 1-2 year stopgap. Right now we are hoping that Trubisky goes in the top 7 and someone falls in love with the corners though, because there is a real possibility that our top 5-6 guys could all be gone before we pick unless some guys slide ahead of them. Slowpoke! fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Every mock draft in the world has the Seahawks taking Kevin King, which I'd be cool with.
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Hey it's really hard to keep track of 33 whole names!!!!
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Entirely possible the Jets take a QB at 6 or the Bills pick someone up as a developmental if they're believers between 5-11. The Bills FO seems continually torn on their opinion on Tyrod. The 12th pick is the biggest question mark for the Browns. If the Jets take a QB at 6 that is just a blatant cry that they have no idea what they are doing whatsoever.
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mcmagic posted:If the Jets take a QB at 6 that is just a blatant cry that they have no idea what they are doing whatsoever. I have zero idea where they're going. Safety seems like a good bet if Adams is there. Fournette and OJ Howard could be intriguing, if a bit of an overdraft at 6. I could see them wanting Charles Harris or Hassan Reddick if they manage to drop back a bit. poo poo, they might actually draft Trubisky as well.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I can't figure out their play here to be blowing so much smoke about QBs, especially when they're generally pretty secretive. Do they want Cleveland or Buffalo to trade up to 5 for Trubisky? How would they benefit from that unless they think it'll cause a player they want (Adams?) to slip to 6? Well considering I completely lost all faith in McCagnin after he drafted Hackenberg in the loving 2nd round, any or all or none of those things can be possible. I don't believe they have a coherent plan or would be able to execute said plan if they had one.
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His plan is to draft a QB every year until they find a decent one, no we don't need to make sure they aren't terrible before we spend high draft capital on them.
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Hackenburg was the most obviously stupid QB pick I can remember. He looked like outright poo poo while playing cupcakes in college.
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sean10mm posted:Hackenburg was the most obviously stupid QB pick I can remember. He looked like outright poo poo while playing cupcakes in college. Uhhh hard to top Brandon Weeden. 28 year old rookie with a history of arm problems.
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sean10mm posted:Hackenburg was the most obviously stupid QB pick I can remember. *ahem* 
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Bigass Moth posted:Uhhh hard to top Brandon Weeden. 28 year old rookie with a history of arm problems. At least weeden was good at okst E: also ej Manuel is still the dumbest pick
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He's still won more playoff games than Stafford
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sean10mm posted:Hackenburg was the most obviously stupid QB pick I can remember. He looked like outright poo poo while playing cupcakes in college. Tebow Ponder Weeden Manuel Manziel?
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Alaois posted:Carson Wentz Cool hot take, aren't you a Texans fan too
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Diqnol posted:Cool hot take, aren't you a Texans fan too 1.) carson wentz had a worse rookie season than ej manuel 2.) lmao no, i'm barely even a football fan anymore
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Metapod posted:At least weeden was good at okst Vince Young
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Alaois posted:1.) carson wentz had a worse rookie season than ej manuel 62% comp rate, 3782 yds, 16 td, 14 int vs 58.8% comp rate, 1972 passing yards, 11 td, 9 int. Manuel had similarly bullshit receivers but instead of the travesty of a run game Wentz had last year (incidentally forcing him to throw far, far, far more than he should have had to), Manuel had Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller combining for 2300 yards from scrimmage as both of them could catch, too. I think before you talk poo poo about Wentz you should see what he does this year.
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I'm amazed at what Wentz managed to get out of one of the worst receiver groups I've ever seen with Philadelphia. Especially when all we heard at the start was how he wasn't NFL ready and had to sit for a year. Goff was supposed to be the one who was all set to go. Actually pretty excited to see what he does this year with Alshon on the team and a couple of other upgrades.
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El Patron posted:I'm amazed at what Wentz managed to get out of one of the worst receiver groups I've ever seen with Philadelphia. Especially when all we heard at the start was how he wasn't NFL ready and had to sit for a year. Goff was supposed to be the one who was all set to go. Actually pretty excited to see what he does this year with Alshon on the team and a couple of other upgrades. Hint; he's still gonna be bad
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sirtommygunn posted:His plan is to draft a QB every year until they find a decent one, no we don't need to make sure they aren't terrible before we spend high draft capital on them. That is a poo poo plan.
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Metapod posted:Is elite
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Diva Cupcake posted:There's been hilariously questionable QBs picked in round 1 though so... Yeah, but most of those guys were at least good college players. Their games didn't translate to the pros, absolutely, but Hack was outright lovely IN COLLEGE. Like, E.J. Manuel was MASSIVELY better as a college QB than Hack. Christian Ponder is probably the closest, his college production was extremely  and he went higher than Hackenberg. But Hackenberg was still substantively worse than Ponder as a college player.e: Behold, the poo poo that is Hackenberg: code:sean10mm fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Vince Young could have been great on a better organization. I don't know about great but certainly going to a non-Jeff Fisher team would have been better.
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spanky69 posted:Kyle Boller was a first round pick. We don't talk about that.
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spanky69 posted:Kyle Boller was a first round pick. He threw 12 more touchdowns his senior year than Hack did. 
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Manuel was bad but at least the Bills traded down for him and didn't force him to start for three years (no matter how much Whaley may have tried). Off the top of my head, Gabbert, Ponder, Goff, Manziel, and probably Bortles were all worse picks.
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sean10mm posted:e: Behold, the poo poo that is Hackenberg:  http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brett-favre-1.html Makes you think.
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fsif posted:Manuel was bad but at least the Bills traded down for him and didn't force him to start for three years (no matter how much Whaley may have tried). I dunno if Bortles really deserves to be in the "abject disaster" category. I mean, he's not good, but he's not out of the loving league after 8 starts like Manziel.
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