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I'm not going to argue that our Gripens aren't incredibly good, but sometimes you just have to drop a shitload of bombs and that's where a Tornado or Phantom will beat them every time. On the other hand, the only advantage a Phantom has over a Tornado for our purposes is "can carry AMRAAMS" so if someone can come up with a nice proposal that reduces the Phantom buy, ups the Tornado buy and gets more Gripens, go ahead. Also the reason to only buy one Prowler/no Growlers is because we have limited resources here people, I know we want all the shiny toys with multiple layers of redundancy but a lot of that is "nice to have" rather than mission critical. We need the ability to blow poo poo up. PS. yes I'd love the SA-22 as well but we'd look pretty stupid if we spent all that money and lost it to one chucklefuck on a suicide SEAD mission. Disperse that poo poo, buy cheaper yet less effective, it's ok! It works!
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 The Parabellum Plan We have the opportunity to take Hayârd-Günnes to the next level in Angola. Let's think about the force we need to build to do that. Here are the missions that we need to accomplish. And here's how our current and future aircraft help us fill those missions. As you can see, we need SEAD aircraft pretty desperately.  Here is the force we need to fight and win.  10 JAS 39C Gripens (10x JAS 39C Gripen 2018 versions which can carry Small Diameter Bombs). These ten Gripen can carry a total of eighty Small Diameter Bombs have an EXCELLENT standoff weapons and add an extremely important capability to our force. The Gripens focus on four missions: Air Superiority, stand off Ground Strike, Anti-Shipping and Recon. They can also do long-range SEAD with their Small-Diameter Bombs. Gripens are expensive, but They. Are. Worth. It. They're badass fighters, badass bombers, and badass ship-killers. On every mission we've had, they have performed extremely well. 4 F-4E Phantom IIs for Ground Strike and Close Air Support as their primary missions. Air Superiority is their secondary mission. They are good bombers, but they can only carry two precision munitions. Since they can carry the heaviest bomb in our arsenal 2,000 lb GBU-24 Paveway III, they focus on heavy targets like birgde and bunkers. They also make standoff strikes on airfields with their DWS.39 STABO anti-runway cluster bombs. They can carry the heaviest air-to-air load in our fleet with four AMRAAMS and four Sidewinders. 6 Tornado IDS for Ground Strike, Close Air Support and SEAD. Since they are more versatile than the Phantoms, we want more of themWith six aircraft, we can have two on SEAD duty (each with two AGM-88 HARMs), clearing the way for the other four Tornadoes with precision weapons. They can also carry a camera pod for Recon or a buddy pod do do some light Tanker work. 2 Su-25 Frogfoot A for Close Air Support and Ground Strike 2 Hawk 409s for Close Air Support and Ground Strike 1 EA-6B Prowler for SEAD, can carry one AGM-88 HARM to kill radars and will shadow strike packages to jam enemy radars and comms. 1 KC-135T and 1 VC-10 for Tanker support. We have 20 strike fighters that need refuelling support. For long missions, two tankers is eseential 1 S 100B Argus is our AEW&C. 2 Sperwer UAVs for tactical Recon in support of CAS operations. They can also do battle damage assessment after we make strikes. For air defenses we have 2 25mm SIDAM AAA Platoons, for a total of eight vehicles. Their IR cameras can spot targets 80 nautical miles away. And, they can engage ground targets if our base is attacked. It's unwise to pin all our hopes on air defenses. Even if we spend top dollar on air defense systems, they can still be destroyed by determined enemies. Look at how easily we picked apart the Chinese air defenses from beyond their range. If we're worried about air attacks, we should take proactive measures instead of relying heavily on expensive (and reactive) air defense measures. 1) Constantly recon potential adversaries. from the air 2) Build up good local intel networks so we can find out about potential air attacks. Give a kid a cell phone and park him outside enemy air bases to call us if they take off. 3) Launch preemptive strikes against enemy air forces - just like we did at Lhasa. 4) Have Gripens or Phantoms on Alert 5 or on CAP if there is any risk of an air attack on us 5) Have the Argus AEW&C airborne when feasible to provide airborne early warning. With the amount of warning that 600km radar gives us, Alert 15 fighters can get airborne and respond to an incoming strike. 6) Disperse our aircraft across multiple airfields. Use camouflage and deception to conceal our forces **************************************************************** Procurement Plan Parabellum BUY 3x JAS 39C Gripens = $210 million 2x F-4E Phantoms = $30 million 6x Tornado IDS = $180 million 1x EA-6B Prowler = $62.4 million 1x VC-10 K4 tanker = $33.6 million 2x 25mm SIDAM AAA Platoons = $10 million SELL 6x SK 60Bs = 6 x $600,000 = $3.6 million Total Price = $522.4 million Money in the bank = $11,612,376 e: sold all the SK 60Bs and replaced the KC-135 with the VC-10. e2: replaced the 20mm M163VADS Vulcan platoons with 25mm SIDAM platoons. That doubles the number of vehicles we have (the Vulcan platoon has two vehicles, the SIDAM has four) and it gives us a more accurate guns. We also can use their IR cameras to spot targets 80nm away. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Vando posted:PS. yes I'd love the SA-22 as well but we'd look pretty stupid if we spent all that money and lost it to one chucklefuck on a suicide SEAD mission. Disperse that poo poo, buy cheaper yet less effective, it's ok! It works! Or trade off having a gun for range and buy MIM-23s
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Vando posted:I'm not going to argue that our Gripens aren't incredibly good, but sometimes you just have to drop a shitload of bombs and that's where a Tornado or Phantom will beat them every time. On the other hand, the only advantage a Phantom has over a Tornado for our purposes is "can carry AMRAAMS" so if someone can come up with a nice proposal that reduces the Phantom buy, ups the Tornado buy and gets more Gripens, go ahead. That's not true. Our Gripens can carry more individual precision bombs and missiles (which are the only air-to-ground weapons worth using) than the Tornadoes or Phantoms. The Gripens can carry four GUB-12s, max. The Phantoms and Tornadoes can only carry two. The only edge the Phantom has is that it can carry two of the 2,000 pound Paveways, which the Gripen can't. Check my Parabellum plan out. It does exactly what you want.
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Bacarruda posted:To do all this, here is Procurement Plan Parabellum This plan spends more money than we have.
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While Gripens are really nice and do a lot of awesome stuff, we really shouldn't put all our eggs in the Gripen basket. IF god forbid we have a bad mission an we lose some planes, being down some older bomb trucks would be significantly better than being down a pair or more of Gripens. While getting the Growers is pretty tempting, I think at this juncture getting one Prowlers and banking some cash might be a better option. Blowing almost a third of our budget on a pair of fighter planes is a dicey move but we'd be getting some pretty nice quality there. With that in mind here is a modified version of Vando's proposal that I think works for what we are looking for. Peanut' Budget Proposal Tanker:(1) VC-10 K4 = 23,000,000 This is our cheapest tanker options and honestly is the one we should take, especially if we are trying to make our budget last. EWAR: (1) EA-6B $52,000,000.00 (*1.2)= 62,400,000 Million Others have stumped for EWAR in the thread so I won't beat the dead horse, but getting an EWAR plane is a must. The Growlers are nice, but super loving expensive for what we are looking for at the moment. Maybe in the future we can see about getting some. SAMS: (2) MIM-23 Hawk $20,000,000.00 per unit (*1.2) = 24,000,000 Per Unit (48,000,000 in total) (4) SA-22 $18,000,000.00 per unit (*1.4) = 25,200,000 per unit (100,800,000 in total) The SA-22 is a good deal since it gives us a medium ranged missile based SAM combine with an autocannon defensive system for "oh gently caress that's close" air combat. Throwing in a pair of Hawks with 4 of those SA-22's will basically allow us to create a good sized defensive net around our airbase and only requires two systems. REPLACEMENT GRIPEN (1) JAS 39C Gripen $70,000,000.00 No duh here, we need one more Gripen to round out the fleet. STRIKE & SEAD (6) F-4E Greek $15,000,000 (90,000,000) (4) Tornado's $30,000,000 (120,000,000) Getting 6 more Phantoms give us two who groups for bomb truck duties which frees the Gripens for more ATA responsibilities or allows them to fly high and make surgical strikes against Triple A if they are making ground strikes. With 8 total Phantoms we will have some major capabilities to put warheads on foreheads. 4 Tornados helps open up more avenues to suppress air defense so we could make these our primary SEAD planes while freeing the Gripens for ATA or other specalized dutires while the Phantoms and Frogfeet blow poo poo up This puts us at $514,200,000 which can leave us with a nice chunk of change for redundancy and additional planning if need be. Personally since it looks like Angola will be our next AO, I want to hold onto all our light attack aircraft as operating in COIN and strike environments like Angola are what they were designed to do in relation to warfare. In addition we will also have enough funds left over with this plan to hire a specialist. Thoughts?  Peanuts Proposal code:Jimmy4400nav fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Voting Procurement Plan Parabellum and if anyone wanted to vote for my earlier proposal I say you should switch because honestly Baca's plan is way better and gets us more shiny Gripens to play with. e: though for the record I will state that per dollar you get more strike capability from a stack of not-Gripens but I was looking for a plan that maximised our Gripen buy anyway Vando fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Vando posted:PS. yes I'd love the SA-22 as well but we'd look pretty stupid if we spent all that money and lost it to one chucklefuck on a suicide SEAD mission. Disperse that poo poo, buy cheaper yet less effective, it's ok! It works! I would normally agree with this, but ASRAD is seriously impotent against fast-movers. While I'm not going to actually test it in the game because I feel like that's kinda lame and cheaty, I wouldn't be surprised if a two-ship of fighters could bomb a target defended by two ASRAD batteries and some SIDAM just by disabling automatic evasion and sitting in afterburner for a minute or two to keep them above 600 knots while they're in range. Besides, they're cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiGAJH0Jv14 Cabbage Disrespect fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Quinntan posted:This plan spends more money than we have. Fixed. Had the wrong numbers for tanker inputted originally. Jimmy4400nav posted:Thoughts? Buying from three suppliers means the second supplier has a 20% penalty and the third has a 40% penalty. So the SA-22s and any other Ivanov kit are 1.4 times more expensive.
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Cathode Raymond posted:I don't know what you're talking about. All pirates are good choices, and all piracy is a good idea. Good point. However, go with the Alaskan fishermen, they will pay us in delicious crabs.
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Bacarruda posted:Fixed. I'm still not wholly sold on your procurement plan, to be honest, though that might be because we have different views on just what niche the Gripen fits in our fleet. I'm of the mind that we should keep the Gripen as a pure air-to-air fighter and leave ground attacking to the Phantom and Tornado. In my mind that suits the strengths of all the aircraft in the fleet very well. I really do not like the idea of using the M163 as our only air defence either, they are literally just a 20mm vulcan plonked onto the hull of a M113. Edit: did you consider hiring a specialist? Quinntan fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Bacarruda posted:Fixed. Fixed! Luckily the SA-22's are the only Ivanov product on my list so while e will play a premium, we basically are getting 2 AA systems for the price of one with theirs. Plus with my proposal we'll still have about 20 million to play with even with the 1.4 markup. Quinntan posted:I'm still not wholly sold on your procurement plan, to be honest, though that might be because we have different views on just what niche the Gripen fits in our fleet. I'm of the mind that we should keep the Gripen as a pure air-to-air fighter and leave ground attacking to the Phantom and Tornado. In my mind that suits the strengths of all the aircraft in the fleet very well. I really do not like the idea of using the M163 as our only air defence either, they are literally just a 20mm vulcan plonked onto the hull of a M113. With my proposal we'll get the AA defensive structures and we'll have enough ground attack planes to paste almost anything while keeping our Gripens around for air attack, the niche they do really well in.
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Voting for Procurement Plan Parabellum
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Procurement Plan Parabellum leaves us with $12,376 left after procurement. This won't hire an advisor, not even a juggalo one.
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^^^^ - We need a lobbyist, not an advisor. Ooof, for over 100M each the Growlers are just too pricey for what all we want to do. And I'm just not comfortable with how little the Prowler can do (one HARM, no personal defence? c'mon son). Other than that, Procurement Plan Parabellum services all of our needs. I'll be sad to see the Dragon Slayers go, but the SK-60s are just too lightly armed.
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Yooper posted:Wild Willie gives no fucks. If we wanted a couch, he'd find a couch. If we wanted a 1950's era tube TV, Wild Willie would ask what color of wood panelling. Just don't complain when Grandma can't find her TV. Please add a couch to the procurement plan
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Quinntan posted:I'm still not wholly sold on your procurement plan, to be honest, though that might be because we have different views on just what niche the Gripen fits in our fleet. I'm of the mind that we should keep the Gripen as a pure air-to-air fighter and leave ground attacking to the Phantom and Tornado. In my mind that suits the strengths of all the aircraft in the fleet very well. I really do not like the idea of using the M163 as our only air defence either, they are literally just a 20mm vulcan plonked onto the hull of a M113. The thing that pushed me in the direction of a bigger Gripen buy was this: the new Gripens have Small Diameter Bombs. As you've said a lot in the thread, the SDBs are awesome weapons.They're cheap, long-ranged, and very accurate. Our new Gripens can each carry eight SDB and can hit targets from 60 nautical miles away. In one sortie, our new Gripens can kill 24 targets. By contrast, three Tornadoes can only kill six targets using their short-ranged JDAMs or GBU-24s. Since we're getting paid by the amount of damage we do, these newer and more potent Gripens will start paying for themselves very quickly. As for the air defense issue, I agree that we should have a proper network of SAMs and AAA, I just think that needs to come after we've built a good strike fighter force. From a business perspective, SAMs don't generate revenue, but bomber Gripens can earn us millions in bonuses. We can use that money to invest in radar and SAMs later. From an operational perspective, there are ways to ensure our base security. SAMs are just an instrument to protect our bases. There are other ways to achieve that goal using our current aircraft and our other assets (better intel, airborne early warning, CAPs, etc.). And from a tactical perspective, ground-based air defense is one of those things you do right or don't do at all. Unless we spend hundreds of millions on radars, long-ranged SAMs, and SHORAD, we really won't have an effective air defense system. And I think there are better ways to spend our limited cash at this point. Quinntan posted:Edit: did you consider hiring a specialist? If goons want, we can pawn off the last few SK 60s and net around $1.2 million. We should also be able to spend some of our initial retainer on hiring personnel.
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I'm still on the fence regarding whether we should spare our gripens for basically just A2A and farm out our air support to more economical strike craft or try and roll with a more versatile but much more expensive gripen heavy fleet. But I am pretty much convinced that we should not skimp on EW or SAMs. I think we should pick up the growler over the prowler and we should spring for the SA-22's. We'll never be able to prevent a Strict Parenting-type destruction of our airfield by a determined world power like China, but it might help deter small PMC's or overstretched national air forces.
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Quinntan posted:I'm of the mind that we should keep the Gripen as a pure air-to-air fighter and leave ground attacking to the Phantom and Tornado. In my mind that suits the strengths of all the aircraft in the fleet very well. Why? Our (potential) SDB-capable Gripens are by far the best strike aircraft we have. Also voting for Parabellum, makes the most sense and if anyone voted for my earlier proposal I would like you to switch to Bac's plan. Could we find the funds to upgrade Prowler purchase to Growler? More modern and faster so it can keep up with our strike aircraft. Also carries a pair of AMRAAMs so we don't need to have Gripens babysitting it, all that for 30 mil extra.
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Can we get a B-52? If we're going to sub-Saharan Africa, there's a chance we'll need to carpet bomb a town out of existence.
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Bacarruda posted:The thing that pushed me in the direction of a bigger Gripen buy was this: the new Gripens have Small Diameter Bombs. On the other other hand, the SDB thing is a software update, really. Buying three aircraft to fill that niche is a big expense when it'd probably be cheaper to buy one Gripen and fit that ability across the rest of the Gripen fleet... Can we get K&P to perform the upgrade for our current Gripens to give them SDB capability?
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Plan Parabellum gets my vote. However, while we're here, it sounds like we're gonna be fighting the Free State in Angola, which is entirely reliant on mercenaries to do their fighting. Yooper, do we have any idea what our competitors are flying? I've been Googling some real-world air mercs, and I've seen a lot of stuff from MIG-21s to CF-5s.
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Quinntan posted:Can we get K&P to perform the upgrade for our current Gripens to give them SDB capability? I asked. Unfortunately, answer is no.
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Zaodai posted:Can we get a B-52? If we're going to sub-Saharan Africa, there's a chance we'll need to carpet bomb a town out of existence. I'm sure we could get Baloogan or someone to do up some napalm/Willy Pete loadouts for our aircraft if we want to get our war crime on. There is, however, little to no use to have a strategic bomber in our inventory. Too expensive and too big of a target unless its effectively out of the AO with the non-combat aircraft.
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I think some old SCUDS or comparably shoddy ballistic missiles would be more sensible than a B-52 if we need to just blow up a big chunk of the earth at some point.
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I like it a lot, but the M163VADS are not going to make any appreciable difference to anything that reaches the airfield apart from deterring some helicopters. And I'm concerned that it doesn't give us any spare cash to: rent a pitstop runway/fund our ground mercs/ buy miscellaneous scenario event items. We've also been explicitly told by Yooper that we need SAM coverage and I'd rather follow the hints of the GM which strongly suggests we need an actual Area Defense SAM, cause it's the cheapest way to sanitise airspace and getting a single HAWK (24 mil) means we can pretty much be assured that our airfield is safe from anything less than a supported SEAD strike or a missile raid. Plan Parabellum, but buy 1 less Gripen, don't sell the SK60s, buy 1 HAWK. Upgrade all our Gripens to be SDB capable and then have some change left over for the inevitable scenario expenses 2x JAS 39C Gripens 2x F-4E Phantoms 6x Tornado IDS 1x EA-6B Growler 1x KC-135T Stratotanker 1x HAWK Mr Crustacean fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Zip Also I doubt we will be fighting just the Free State we will also likely be fighting the Dictator and his forces and if he is looking to grow Angola through the international sale of Lithium we may have to be watch out for him offering trading incentives to foreign super powers in exchange for equipment and forces. koolkevz666 fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Quinntan posted:Can we get K&P to perform the upgrade for our current Gripens to give them SDB capability? I did some more digging and it appears Saab is upgrading JAS39 C/D models with a M20 upgrade. The Meteor uses the same system to bring in BVR data, the SDB uses this data stream. This is something we couldn't do in Lakhimpur, but now that the birds are in Frankfurt I think we could. But I need help from you guys, I can't find what this upgrade was performed for. I'll just make a wild guess if we can't find a number. TheGreatEvilKing posted:Plan Parabellum gets my vote. We aren't the only ones in the market with BFLM, the Ivanov's, and K&P. The Dictator is known to have purchased a sizable fleet of F16's. But a good majority of his stuff has been in CAS assets. The Free State had recently contracted with a group running older Mirages, but they told em to get hosed. I'm not sure who the new contract would be if we don't go to bat for them. I've heard talk of a Korean outfit shopping around for a job there too. The Count has some Tornado's and Jaguars but his poo poo is getting wore thin. His previous mercs ran Belgian F-16's but ran into a nasty bit of AAA and that's the end of that.
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For our next mission I choose Bering Sea helping Angerpeace. If we choose Angola I would go down for the Count.
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Cathode Raymond posted:I think some old SCUDS or comparably shoddy ballistic missiles would be more sensible than a B-52 if we need to just blow up a big chunk of the earth at some point. I want to point to this and observe that turnabout is fair play. I freely admit that this is a defense of my own purchase (and that I have heavily cottoned on to the idea of "Euro/Asian/'unusual' fighters, US support craft, Russian ground forces"). However, to all of the procurement plans whose ground based AA consists of a few token AA guns: what is your plan if our enemies fire SCUDs or FROG-7s at our runway, or attack with air launched stand-off weapons? We have to be on the watch for OPFOR doing a Strict Parenting against us.
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People seem to be missing that Parabellum leaves us with so little money it might as well be nothing. Like, not even enough money for a single hour of flight time on a single plane, much less hiring our new advisor or any other incidentals that come up.
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Crazycryodude posted:Parabellum leaves us with so little money it might as well be nothing. Like, not even enough money for a single hour of flight time on a single plane, much less hiring our new advisor or any other incidentals that come up. I think my Peanut Proposal is a good compromise of the Parabellum proposal. It gives us the assets were are looking for in our Strike/SEAD area, which frees our Gripen fleet to do whatever is needed for the mission (air cover to protect said EWAR, Strike/SEAD Asset), it gives us a second tanker AND it gives us a good defensive net while still leaving us with quite a few million in the bank. The downside is we don't run a small fleet of cutting edge next gen tech, but we still have a good size fleet of reliable and updated planes and some good defense.
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I'd rather Plan Parabellum be amended to only purchasing one or two Gripens. Having to sell assets to pay for our purchase and still being only a couple hundred thousand in the black* strikes me as a very bad idea. We're basically putting our backs against the wall and if we botch our contract or our employer screws us we're completely boned. At least with an extra 70 or 140 million in the bank we'd have recourse should things go sideways. *Considering we got the 6 SK60s for 1.6 Million something tells me we're not going to get close to that for 4 of them. So we're BARELY going to cover the purchase one way or another. *edit* Jimmy4400nav posted:I think my Peanut Proposal is a good compromise of the Parabellum proposal. It gives us the assets were are looking for in our Strike/SEAD area, which frees our Gripen fleet to do whatever is needed for the mission (air cover to protect said EWAR, Strike/SEAD Asset), it gives us a second tanker AND it gives us a good defensive net while still leaving us with quite a few million in the bank. I liked your plan for the most part; problem was when I tried to create a compromise between yours and Parabellum I basically found I was just doing Parabellum except for the Gripens (I think the Tornados are more flexible than the Phantoms, and the splitting Ground Platform purchases between the US and Russia, while probably the right choice, is a huge chunk of change that pretty much offsets the money saved by buying less Gripens, creating the same problem of no money after the buy). Renaissance Spam fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Question for the thread: Can anyone draw up a list of what assets we currently have and we can see what we need to replace and fill in? Also I think we need to decide on what theater we want to participate in first before we buy any new equipment as the theater of operations we choose will likely determine what equipment we need. Question for Yooper: In regards to the Angola theater of operations can you reveal what political and financial backings the three possible employers possess?
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For those of you concerned about revenue issues. Here are some things to consider. We can sell off all the SK 60s, we can earn about $3,600,000, which would leave us several million in the black. We can also cancel the KC-135 buy and replace it with the cheaper VC-10 K4. Although I'd rather not, since the VC-10 carries about 22,000 fewer kilos of fuel. Having more than a million in the bank as we head in theater does not help us. After we pay for our operative (which won't cost more than a few hundred thousand dollars), we won't have anything to spend our money on. Our pay and our operating costs come in at the same time, so cash flow isn't going to be an issue. We should spend the money we have now, so that we're ready to do the job we're actually being paid for. I'd also point out having a more capable force makes us more likely to win missions and earn destruction bonuses, which further helps our cash flow situation. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Yooper posted:I did some more digging and it appears Saab is upgrading JAS39 C/D models with a M20 upgrade. The Meteor uses the same system to bring in BVR data, the SDB uses this data stream. This is something we couldn't do in Lakhimpur, but now that the birds are in Frankfurt I think we could. But I need help from you guys, I can't find what this upgrade was performed for. I'll just make a wild guess if we can't find a number. I found an old article that says the Czech Air Force have a contract with SAAB for upgrading their leased fleet of Gripens to MS20 for ~$70M, but it's a bit vague if that's only for the upgrade or for leasing additional/upgraded aircraft as well. A recent news notice from the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration states they've ordered the MS20 Block 2 upgrade for about 240M SEK (~$27M), but again, no indication of the unit cost. Since it's (afaik) exclusively a software upgrade - that came out five years ago in game time - I wouldn't really expect it to be that expensive per plane. A million a pop for the upgrade itself and the service needed to install it maybe? E: Links
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Yooper posted:I did some more digging and it appears Saab is upgrading JAS39 C/D models with a M20 upgrade. The Meteor uses the same system to bring in BVR data, the SDB uses this data stream. This is something we couldn't do in Lakhimpur, but now that the birds are in Frankfurt I think we could. But I need help from you guys, I can't find what this upgrade was performed for. I'll just make a wild guess if we can't find a number. http://saabgroup.com/sv/Media/news-press/news/2016-07/gripen-leads-the-world-with-new-operational-capabilities/ If I'm reading that right, I'd guess that the Meteor upgrade is also the SDB upgrade, and perhaps the reason that there's a Meteor Gripen without SDB in the database is because Sweden is intending to field the SDB in 2018? Renaissance Spam posted:I liked your plan for the most part; problem was when I tried to create a compromise between yours and Parabellum I basically found I was just doing Parabellum except for the Gripens (I think the Tornados are more flexible than the Phantoms, and the splitting Ground Platform purchases between the US and Russia, while probably the right choice, is a huge chunk of change that pretty much offsets the money saved by buying less Gripens, creating the same problem of no money after the buy). https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3815107&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=52#post471416047 Would this be something more akin to what you'd want? Quinntan fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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I Was A Goone And Young A Hayard-Gunnes promotional material Hi, my name is Tapco and I like slow planes and fast women *snickers* While international law makes it unwise to disclose my name or origins, the lawyers told me that I can talk about my qualification. Well, with the world being the way it is, the Swedes were desperate for people to fly their Gripens, ride in their CV-90s and chat up blonde, blue-eye reservist cuties. However, the prime of Sweden's youth was somewhat hostile to the whole military thing, so the vikings basically started taking anyone with a pulse and European citizenship. Seeing how a certain country-shaped mean drunk was making it hard to lead a life where I come from, taking the king's kroner didn't seem like a bad deal. I was pretty sure that I would get into the poor bloody infantry, but through a convoluted and an unlikely sequence of events I got into flight training for Gripens... and I passed it! Granted, I wasn't the best of our airborne Swedish foreign legion, but I was good enough. There were rumors of Swedes actually lowering their standards, but I am sure those were just rumors. However, I had barely flown two patrols over endless tracts of nothing much before the Swedes shitcanned me and some Hungarian guy. I know he was laid off for medical reasons (caught drinking Gripen's brake fluid) but I never learned the reason why I couldn't stay. I only caught a glimpse of my file, and it had something like "deadsonskan" and "fartsatt" scrawled on it. Lucky me, I had made some friends during training, and they passed down the rumor that a new and exciting PMC was opening up which - surprise surprise - was buying Gripens! So I signed right the gently caress up. *** Well, the girlfriend wasn't too happy about leaving the socialist paradise of Sweden, but they, it's an opportunity to travel. And I didn't even know that India had something like this huge rear end exclave sitting right next to it! Right, so we were to fly for the Indian government. Operating from Lhankimpur airport, we had some Gripens and some SK60s in our fleet. People were generally not enthusiastic about the latter. Speaking of people, Hayard-Gunnes had started out with a lot of people. A LOT. I might be overstating it a little when I say that we had about three times more pilots than we had planes. It was a wild bunch of people, some of whom came from stranger places and unlikelier circumstances than I had. I didn't get to know them too well before the first the mission, but the guy that always referred to himself in third person and called everyone "brother" really stood out. *** So, our first mission. We wanted to show the world that we're a Class-A outfit, and we did it. I believe I can say that the escort mission went without a hitch. We got some Gripens in the air, escorted the cargo, guarded some airborne aid workers and got to splash some PLAAF shitbuckets. I was a little confused as to why would they send planes to down humanitarian shipments, but whatever, DSM got the best of them. I believe the guy is on the way to becoming an ace, but with Gripen being that easy to fly, all of us are going to become aces in no time! *laughs* We also splashed a bridge that was vital to the TLA. I don't know if those guys are a legit outfit or if they're secretly backed by China, but boom, bridge gone. With our Gripens, the dragon gets socked right in the jaw! *** By the time Operation Max Profits had rolled by, I had realized that our band of pilots were really reclusive. There were hints that they had some really strange hobbies and obsessive interests, but they never gathered to talk about them. On the other hand, the team was really disciplined as far as not committing crime (or getting caught) went. I thought Bandit and Socks would eventually turn up in some prison as heroin smugglers, but no, they were class acts all through and through. No civilian shootings, no theft, nobody got caught with an underage goat - Hayard-Gunnes shown itself to be above such outfits like Xe. I bet having contractors that aren't a walking PR disaster will help us get flying in the future! Speaking of flying, there are morbid upsides to pilots being awkward shutins: you don't get to become attached to them. And if you aren't attached to them, then you don't spend the night toasting to the memory of someone who just bought the farm. It just so happened that we lost a guy on Max Profits, and nobody really knew who he was. One callsign was reported, then the statement was retracted when it appeared that the guy was actually flying in our private jet AVACS. I still don't know who died! However, his death was not in vain. PRC was bringing in weapon shipments in unmarked cargo ships - who knows how that might have destabilized the region? I also believe that we were in the right to support the Indian Volunteers. Dalai Lama has their - and our - back, and without Dalai Lama, Tibet is nothing but a bunch of rocks that the Chinese want really hard. However, we bloodied the noses of both PLA and TLA. We even pasted some tanks! So at least that part of the mission went well and the Volunteers didn't get pasted in a pincer maneuver. Wish those guys were armed better, but we can't really drop arms deliveries to them - with the accuracy of the 60's, the guns would drop straight into the hands of TLA fighters! Meanwhile, I had been putting time in the simulators, learning to fly some of the... older craft out there. Plane acquisition is one of the few times when the pilots seem lively and interested in something, and boy do they have ideas. Since the mercs are both shareholders or something - I dunno, my girlfriend read the contract, I just signed it - they have a vote in choosing missions and planes to buy. So considering that we might be getting Phantoms soon, I need to be ready! *** It's a little hectic while we're filming this, but I'm really stoked! Operation Strict Parenting was a smashing success, a testament to the skills of both our pilots and the mission planning personnel! I just hope Rohan made it out OK... Meanwhile, it was my first time flying for the outfit, which was great! I got to ride in one of the Su-25s that the crew voted to buy. Well, with some SK60 flying hours - nobody really cares if you take them out for a spin, and my girlfriend acted as the WSO a few times - and DSC trainer time, I managed to become the quite the Su-25 pilot! Granted, it doesn't fly nearly as well as our sexy Gripens and nor is it as sophisticated, but it really allowed me to drink in the surroundings. I mean, I spend my free time on a few tourist tours around here, but that can't compare to flying your own plane down mountain valleys and scaring yaks. And let me tell you, when you crest the mountain, and you see an airport surrounded by burning wreckage of air defense, and you know that your CAP is watching your back, you feel like the king of the world. I dropped anti-runway munitions and managed to strafe a landing pad in the same run. I don't know if I actually splashed a plane, but hey, I did my part, and I returned alive! The clowning that we gave the Chinese was amazing. First, a mercenary group raids and destroys their radar - and those guys weren't even sporting body armor! Then, the base gets plastered by increasingly less sophisticated planes and munitions, starting with our Gripens, then going with Phantoms, getting the Frogfeet in the third wave... I wonder what they thought when those SK60s came in with their stupid unguided missiles. We could have only topped that by sending in an An-2 with a drunk Russian firing out of the door. I don't know where we're going to next, but I think it will be exciting. With Hayard-Gunnes, the future is bright and the sky is green!
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Bacarruda posted:For those of you concerned about revenue issues. Here are a couple of things to consider. Could you explain to me where you're getting the 3.6 Million figure? I'm personally going by our buy rate (which was 1.6 for 6 Sk60's) and if someone's willing to pay us what we paid we're still getting less than one million bucks for 4 of them.
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Renaissance Spam posted:Could you explain to me where you're getting the 3.6 Million figure? I'm personally going by our buy rate (which was 1.6 for 6 Sk60's) and if someone's willing to pay us what we paid we're still getting less than one million bucks for 4 of them. Yooper posted:Yes. Half of street value in India, or roughly $600k each. If we sell off all six, we net 2.6 million.
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