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Soup Inspector posted:Hey, Yooper, is it possible to source replacement parts for our Phantoms to fix them? How much would it cost? And if we sold our Frogfeet and Hawks, how much would we get? We'd get $8.5m for the Frogfoots and $14m for the Hawks.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:26
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Gotta go with the Hoff
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Apr 17, 2017 00:26
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Well, I'm half German, and we Germans love the 'Hoff, so I'm still backing Count von Hoff in Angola
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Apr 17, 2017 00:29
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I mean my reasoning is we're the Eurotrash squadron. We gotta go into Africa and muck everything up with paternalistic intentions. It's like, the song of our people.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:29
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I like this Hoff fella.
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Quinntan posted:Honestly, it looks to me like the easiest way would just be changing the 2016 spec Gripens to 2018 ones in the OP and that'd be that. I'm game for this. As near as my research, and this poor Defense Analyst I cornered on Discord could tell me, the SDB upgrade involved a holding pin upgrade, wiring harnesses, and software. I have no issue with our Gripens having a "Factory Update". Consider this to be our current, and future, JAS39C Gripens. https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3697 Soup Inspector posted:A friend of mine suggested an idea to me that piqued my interest, but it kind of hinges on certain information. See Quinntan's post for value. And yes, we can procure parts for our Phantoms. Quinntan posted:We'd get $8.5m for the Frogfoots and $14m for the Hawks. Down the road I plan on handling maintenance and repairs differently. Right now poo poo just kind of blows up and dies. But once the aircraft damage modelling is in we'll likely have planes stumble home with tore up wings, engines, etc. Once we get to that point then we'll talk about to handle maintenance issues.
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I hope it's not too late to submit a buy proposal. Nothing on offer really quite matched up exactly what I wanted. Proposal: À la carte code:All the Phantoms because they're pretty good multirole. A few Tornados because they can sling HARMs and that really big Taurus cruise missile, but not too much more because they're kinda expensive. Prowler because electronic warfare is really good. It lets us jam enemy radars and make it harder to shoot down our planes or missiles. 1 MQ-9 Reaper because its camera is really loving good like seriously you guys. Once it gets to altitude, it can zoom waaaaaaaaay in and give us visual recon out to 100 nautical miles as long as the skies are clear. Seriously, it'll be kinda overpowered to the point that Yooper might have to start giving us actual weather and clouds and poo poo just to nerf it. Oh, and the armed USA one is the same price with the premium as the unarmed Italian one without the premium. The ATR-42 is like a budget P-3. The actual P-3 has a little bit of extra range and it can sling Harpoons, but not that much range, and our Gripens can launch those RB 15F anti ship missiles anyway. The ATR-42 does give us some maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare for a reasonable price. Or it can clown on technicals and speedboats with its .50 cal gun pod. The C-130 Hercules because we're getting a little thin on transports with just our CN-235. Next time we want to Entebbe an airport, we're going to Entebbe an airport! I switched to the less expensive VC-10 A single MIM-23 I-Hawk and Pantsir-S1 buy each. The I-Hawk gives us decent SAM coverage with no altitude limit, unlike the Chinese HQ-7s. The Pantsir-S1 protects the I-Hawk battery from pretty much anything, including high speed anti-radiation missiles. Edit: I switched out the KC-135 for the VC-10. That saves a lot of money, some of which I spent on some Shilkas. Edit #2: I don't know if it's an ATR-42 or -72. We don't need an ATR-42 at all, and unless we really need some ASW we don't need the ATR-72 yet either. Deleted. I added an extra SA-22 section with that money. Edit #3: Just in case it didn't go throuh, I'm voting for my own proposal. Psawhn fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 00:31
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Apr 17, 2017 00:36
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Again, The Dictator is the good guy in this piece.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:40
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Bering Strait, Angerpeace.
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Veryslightlymad posted:Again, The Dictator is the good guy in this piece. The Dictator will provide stability and growth!
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Psawhn posted:I hope it's not too late to submit a buy proposal. Nothing on offer really quite matched up exactly what I wanted. I like this, but ditch the Tornadoes for the Growler. The Tornadoes are being pushed as having HARMs and other SEAD assets, but they're expensive and don't add that much beyond that. The Growler fits HARMs (4, I believe), and gives us some serious jamming capabilities while the Phantoms give us the ground strike firepower. Meanwhile, the other assets expand our capabilities in various ways that will help us in future missions. Proposal: The Dilettante code:Velius fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 00:45
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Angerpeace sounds like a party.
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Thanks, Yooper. Okay, here's my buddy's suggestion: Proposal: Pennypincher The objective is to buy a minimum of aircraft and streamline our current hangar. Although logistics aren't something we need to fret too much about, it still simplifies mission planning. The overriding ideal is to spend as little money as possible to get up to spec but make sure it's the best we can get. Besides the Gripens, which we should keep 8 of, we only need max 4 of each aircraft; if it's so necessary to pull more for a mission we can afford to pull Gripens off whatever they're doing to achieve it. NOTE: Ideally this plan would sell the SK60Bs as well, but 1) we're going into the exact type of operation they were built for and 2) they've earned a place as the Dragon Slayers. Sell them but only after we pull out of Angola, and keep 2 for marketing/PR purposes. Paint them bright red and yellow with "DRAGON SLAYER "in big text along the fuselages and across the wingspan of the two we keep when we're done! BUY: 1x Gripen (70M) 4x Multi-role Tornado (120M) 2x F4-E (30M) 2x SA-22 (36M*1.2=43.2M) 1x EF-18 (95M) 1x VC-10 (23M) 18.8M to upgrade the Gripens and replacement parts for our F-4s. Total: 400M SELL: 2x Froggies (8.5M) 2x Hawks (~14M) Net cost: ~$378M I can't vouch for this proposal's soundness but to summarise it's basically a "budget" option. e: Yooper, is there any chance of ol' Willy wrangling some A-10s? Soup Inspector fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 00:52
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Angola supporting the Dictator. He has the backing of the world, his troops are in defensive positions and they have the tech and supply advantage. If we support the Dictator we have a solid base to work from whereas, the other two options will require us to do a lot of work for little reward and risk losing just about everything to one or two bad incidents. Risk to reward we should go with the Dictator.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:53
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Lets go to Angola and help the Dictator He's offering a fair price, and he has the nominal backing of the world. The Hoff's heart is in the right place, but in the end he's jut starting another brutal African civil war that will destroy the very resource infrastructure which could bring prosperity to his people. The Freestate is 4chan incarnate and must be destroyed.
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Reiterating my support of the Count "Can't Hassel" Von Hoff.Soup Inspector posted:Proposal: Pennypincher Tornado ECRs look like they're dedicated SEAD/Wild Weasel platforms and 100M a pop, as opposed to the multi-role 30M Tornados. And the availability of A-10s should dictate whether or not we sell the Frogfoots.
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Coffeehitler posted:And the availability of A-10s should dictate whether or not we sell the Frogfoots. Why? We're not operating in a threat-free environment whichever way we go. Any idiot with a SAM could knock either a frogfoot or warthog out of the sky performing the mission it was designed to do, and when it isn't doing gun runs on tanks in the fulda gap it might as well be a slow as balls tornado.
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The more I hear from AngerPEACE the more I fall in love with them. Can we PLEASE get around to helping them destroy capitalism one of these days? The post-capitalist future will still need people with guns, we'll just get paid in something other than USD. Hell, it might even be better for us without any shareholders holding our leash. On the operational level we're basically a worker owned co-op at this point, anyways.
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My proposal has already been made. I repeat my support for Angola, Count von Hoff. If he turns out to be a neo-imperialist we can put him down on the way out. The Dictator is an active and unrepentant human rights abuser, and the Free State is simply unconscionable. Same with the Bering Sea options, really--they're all pirates of various sorts.Crazycryodude posted:Can we PLEASE get around to helping them destroy capitalism one of these days? The post-capitalist future will still need people with guns, we'll just get paid in something other than USD. Hell, it might even be better for us without any shareholders holding our leash. On the operational level we're basically a worker owned co-op at this point, anyways. At that point you might as well work for the loving Free State.
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Tornado obsoletes the A10 and Su25 alike for us imo. Su24 would have as well, or the almighty Strike Eagle. Also I've evolved from wisecracking maintenance ghost to literal ghost in the machine so please stick me in a UAV control slot.
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I gotta vote for the Count. We're using lovely Swedish planes to kill planes they have no business even going up against. Of course we have to support the crazy European noble. On the same note, I oppose selling our Dragon Slayers, but if we do, at least get a better price for them. Paint on some J-20 kill markings and sell the story.
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Coffeehitler posted:
Yeah it's actually budgeted for the multi-role Tornados. Edited!
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Angola, Support Von Hoff. As long as we watch our costs we could really turn things around for the guy. He also seems to have more support from the Angolan people (highly motivated troops). If he manages to create a relatively un-hosed African country then it'd be worth it. Oh, and if the dictator wins he'll probably starve to death anybody who'd looked at him funny. The redditor edgelords might deserve that, but not the people of Angola. Velius posted:I like this, but ditch the Tornadoes for the Growler: I just think the Growler is too expensive. 1 Prowler + 1 Tornado is cheaper, carries an extra HARM, and we get the extra A2G capability with the Tornados. All the Growler gives us in trade is a more modern EWAR suite, the ability to carry AARGMS, and a couple of AMRAAMs. (O The Tornado can carry the Taurus KEPD, which slings a thousand pounds of HE (twice as much HE as the GBU-24s) and can fly 180 nautical miles along waypoints. It's kinda like an air-launched Tomahawk. Edit: I'm checking in-game, and none of the Growler variants can carry four anti-radiation missiles. It's either 2 HARMs or 2 AARGMs. Psawhn fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Davin Valkri posted:At that point you might as well work for the loving Free State. I'm going to be voting for whatever gets us closest to Full Communism Now every single time from now on, just to spite you for making such a horrific accusation 
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Soup Inspector posted:Thanks, Yooper. Okay, here's my buddy's suggestion: Yes, of course. But lets get through this purchasing phase and then we can haggle with Willie. I don't want us to get any further off course than we already are.
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Psawhn posted:Angola, Support Von Hoff. As long as we watch our costs we could really turn things around for the guy. He also seems to have more support from the Angolan people (highly motivated troops). If he manages to create a relatively un-hosed African country then it'd be worth it. "All it gets us is a more modern EWAR suite" is an understatement, but beyond that I can't think of too many areas where a "more modern" capability is more important than electronic warfare. Voting for Bering Sea, and AngerPeace.
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EDIT: Ehhh, not the place for that. SorryAnta posted:I gotta vote for the Count. We're using lovely Swedish planes to kill planes they have no business even going up against. Of course we have to support the crazy European noble. Agreed on both counts. Davin Valkri fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Crazycryodude posted:I'm going to be voting for whatever gets us closest to Full Communism Now every single time from now on, just to spite you for making such a horrific accusation You would probably vote it anyway? Not really a loss.  I mean if you want to get closer to glorious communism, we can probably buy you some unarmored shitheap with nothing but cannons on it to fly around in. Straight from GLORIOUS SOVIET UNION.
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Renaissance Spam posted:It's definitely closer to what I'd like to see; I don't think we need quite so many Phantoms and Tornadoes though. Seeing it though I'm going to make this proposal: Voting: Plan Quinnabellum modified -1 HAWK. -2 tornado, +2 phantoms. 2 JAS 39C Gripens (140,000,000) 4 F-4E Phantoms ( 60,000,000) 4 Tornado IDS (120,000,000) 1 EA-6B ( 62,400,000) 1 KC-135T Stratotanker ( 46,800,000) 1 MIM-23 HAWK ( 24,000,000) So we'll have 80 million in the bank. It's enough reserve to emergency purchase anything that pops up/special offers and once we get our first payment we'll have enough cash to make a more informed large purchase tailored to our situation. Versatility is king and having the option to buy some different tools is gonna be real useful. Voting: Angola: Dictator. Land is so much more interesting than the featureless sea. Plus we get the largest payouts, most straightforward ground tasks and some deep interdiction strikes to put our Tornados to use. Count is ok for 2nd choice, as long as we don't support the internet brigade. Mr Crustacean fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Psawhn posted:I hope it's not too late to submit a buy proposal. Nothing on offer really quite matched up exactly what I wanted. Switching to this from Vando's plan
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Voting Angola, and the Count. Though the dictator would be acceptable as a second. Reddit: the country can get hosed, and the Bering Sea is cold and blows (also, if we're taking it into account, any of our pilots who eject over Angola have a lot better chance of surviving).
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Actually now I'm curious. Is our Count intended to be a riff on Carl Gustaf von Rosen? ...are we making a 2nd Biafra?
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Psawhn posted:Al=La-Carte Proposal To be honest, this proposal seems a bit too grab-bag for my tastes. The extra Tornados/Phantoms and the reasoning for one Gripen are solid (I use the same for mine), but some of the other planes re a bit meh. Grabbing just one of each SAM seems a it to light for what we'll want too, in general with ground SAM you want a decent amount of saturation, having just one battery of LRMs and one of MRMs crates a single point of failure, hence why in my proposal I got as many Hawks and SA-22's as we can buy at this time. For defenses we want redundancy. I second the Reaper being loving amazing, but the price tag was a tad too high for me at this time. If we can get some more funds getting a Reaper or even an Pradators or a new Global Hawk would be fantastic for our recon purposes. The for a refueler, I still stand by and say that we can go the cheapest option, we'll still have Big Pig in the Stratotanker so we'll have refueling options for our Phantoms, the cheap option might be a little limited, but we can still work with it and it will work for most of our fleet. AS much as I want to get an MPA, I don't think the ATR-42 is the way to go. It's slower than a P-3, has less range, won't carry as much weaponry or sensory equipment and in terms of parts the MPA variant of the plane is a lot rarer, at least with the P-3 we can probably have some gaurentees of maintenance assurance since a bunch of countries are still using parts for that plane. Plus since at this time it looks like Angola is getting more votes, we won't need an MPA plane for this round of missions, much as it pains me to admit that. Velius posted:
Similar critiques to this one too, but with this plan we're ditching the Tornados with their capabilities to get one Growler. Again the Growler is a good plane, but for the money we'd shovel into that we could get a whole flight of Tornados who can perform similar SEAD capable missions.
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Voting Angola, Count. Also, please sell the SK60s. As someone who is flying one I feel that I will be dead sooner rather than later.
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Psawhn posted:I hope it's not too late to submit a buy proposal. Nothing on offer really quite matched up exactly what I wanted. Voting for this and being hired by The Dictator in Angola
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Angola, The Hoff Man.
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I vote that we buy planes, I don't really understand all the wrangling. Go to Angola and support the Dictator. Idealism is nice but doesn't pay the bills.
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Davin Valkri posted:Actually now I'm curious. Is our Count intended to be a riff on Carl Gustaf von Rosen? Yes
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