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pacmania90 posted:Shadow goes first  Hello. Is it me you're looking for?
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aggro shadow is the daria deck right now in that it's completely dependent on draws and entirely not fun to play as or against
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Apr 12, 2017 21:09
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Jimmy Hats posted:aggro shadow is the daria deck right now in that it's completely dependent on draws and entirely not fun to play as or against Honestly, I can't agree with that, having played both of them in their prime. Aggro shadow doesn't brick nearly as often as Daria did, and there's still counterplay to its god draws (let alone killing their guys before catacombs goes online), in comparison to Daria where T5 Daria into vomit hand basically ended games versus everything except very specific decks.
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Apr 12, 2017 21:18
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Yeah Aggro Shadow is way more interesting to play against than Daria. Daria would masturbate for a couple turns then win, or fizzle out and get steamrolled. Aggro Shadow interacts with the opponent.
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Apr 12, 2017 21:28
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Probably the worst thing you can say about Aggro Shadow is that its counters are exactly opposite to Ramp Dragon's counters, and unfortunately, Ramp Dragon is one of the worst decks to have be good in the game. If Ramp Dragon didn't exist, Aggro shadow would be much more counterable, namely with all of the good anti-aggro tools that exist already, which also happen to be totally dead cards in the Ramp Dragon matchup.
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My favourite thing about being at C0 is when opponents Phantom Howl for four into a board with two Yurius, realize what they've done and concede.
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BGrifter posted:My favourite thing about being at C0 is when opponents Phantom Howl for four into a board with two Yurius, realize what they've done and concede. The best thing I've seen with this is where a streamer I watched Phantom Howled and killed himself on Yurius, but the opponent disconnected upon seeing the Phantom Howl (since the ghosts attacks would have been lethal to him), and it shows both leader portraits exploded. The streamer won since the opponent disconnected, even though he killed himself.
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Yukari posted:Probably the worst thing you can say about Aggro Shadow is that its counters are exactly opposite to Ramp Dragon's counters, and unfortunately, Ramp Dragon is one of the worst decks to have be good in the game. If Ramp Dragon didn't exist, Aggro shadow would be much more counterable, namely with all of the good anti-aggro tools that exist already, which also happen to be totally dead cards in the Ramp Dragon matchup. Yeah, this is basically it and somewhat similar to the Daria/Roach situation where one deck enabled the other. But his time the decks are the actual complete opposites (aggro weenies vs ramp fatsos, or pirates vs jades if you will) so there is no way in hell to tech against both so choose your poison. But, if you're trying to counter one then try to counter shadow, because you can actually cripple them with the right cards (as long as you draw them early), while dragon has plenty of ways to get rid of your defenses or out-value your rear end. At least most dragon players are playing neutral wallet dragon and not the storm one, which is a nightmare that just carves your rear end.
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Apr 13, 2017 01:12
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we didnt get any packs for gawain being broken did we
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Awesome! posted:we didnt get any packs for gawain being broken did we nope
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trucutru posted:lol, went to reddit to check for news or whatever and they are in the middle of a "should porn be allowed in here?" storm. Never change They really are incredulous at the idea that porn shouldn't be in the game subreddit and that the average user "filtering NSFW" is less convenient than them just making a NSFW sub
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initially i thought it was just about the "summertime forte" type stuff which is whatever considering the in game art but apparently people were actually posting hardcore fully nude art and lol why would that be ok on a games official reddit
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Which is most critical to it's respective deck types that I should prioritize crafting first? I'm looking at crafts that have different decks that have lots of overlap with core cards and came up with this short list of things I'd like to have for multiple decks but am not sure which I should focus on first. Forest: Roach and Ancient Elf Shadow: Cerberus and Eachter Rune: Time Mage Levi Sword: Albert and Alwida I have 3x Vania for Blood already and there's too many combo pieces for me to think about the midrangey OTK stuff so I'm ignoring that for now. Dragon has way too many legendaries for me to consider spending vials to get like 1/10th of the deck except maybe Sibyl who seems good in nearly every Dragon variant. Same story with Haven where I know Themis is good in both Aegis and Seraph but requires either or for the deck to function in the first place.
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Awesome! posted:initially i thought it was just about the "summertime forte" type stuff which is whatever considering the in game art but apparently people were actually posting hardcore fully nude art and lol why would that be ok on a games official reddit Look, if you don't want to see a rhinoceroach loving Alisa then just set your filters properly! Goddamn normie.
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Hyper Inferno posted:Which is most critical to it's respective deck types that I should prioritize crafting first? I'm looking at crafts that have different decks that have lots of overlap with core cards and came up with this short list of things I'd like to have for multiple decks but am not sure which I should focus on first. Forest: While nowadays there are control forest decks that don't run either ancient elf or roach, ancient elf has more priority but you need at least two, while roach is way cheaper but you do need all three so it's your choice. Maybe buy one of the premade decks? You get both plus a Tia. But cheap forest decks are not really in a good position right now. Shadow: Cerberus all the way. You can make a pure aggro deck without Eachtar. Rune: Do you have dimension shift or a face deck? By himself he won't win you games. Sword: Similar to forest, Albert is better but much more expensive. Get one Albert then one Alwida and repeat. e: Honestly, a cheapo aggro blood deck is probably a great choice for you. A couple of airjammers (if you want some midrange), lots of stuff that goes face, and a few spider imps is all you really need. trucutru fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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trucutru posted:Forest: While nowadays there are control forest decks that don't run either ancient elf or roach, ancient elf has more priority but you need at least two, while roach is way cheaper but you do need all three so it's your choice. Maybe buy one of the premade decks? You get both plus a Tia. Thanks! I think I'll go for Cerberus then. I do have 2x Daria and most of the face Runecraft stuff, but that's what I've been playing since I started so I'll try something else out. Edit: I have most of the deck for aggro blood already which is why I'm not bothering crafting anything for it really. One thing I am considering is getting some Grimnirs because they're in so many deck lists too. Hyper Inferno fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 03:57
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Hyper Inferno posted:Thanks! Grimnir is a pretty solid pickup, yeah. Every deck that has the chance of running lategame runs him since on turn 10, he's a 4 damage to all enemies + has ward topdeck among other things.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:22
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 Deck way too stronk https://tinyurl.com/m427re3 The aggro shadow almost had me but he left one of my guys on the board thinking he was safe with himself at 20 hp and me at 3. Got that delicious turn 8 instakill. E: Aww yuss 10 streak 
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Apr 14, 2017 05:06
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Hey, 17 matches in a row against shadow or dragon (I'm also a huge babby playing shadow). This is healthy for the meta because... The matches: Shadow vs Shadow: Whomever goes first wins, unless Orthus swings poo poo in your favor with 50-50s Shadow vs Dragon: If dragon goes first and has a ramp on 2 it wins. (All the dragons are teched against shadow and nothing more) e: A sword broke the streak and decided to play face wars against shadow. Holy lol! easy win. Then I got a haven dude that conceded on 4 after a skeleton with 2 skeletons inside play. And then a bat blood that also tried to play race-for-face. All lost miserably, this is ridiculous. trucutru fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 00:32
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I think I figured out the proper use of that new Zoe card. If enough of her voice lines play your opponent will slit their wrists.
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Apr 15, 2017 01:33
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eszett engma posted:I think I figured out the proper use of that new Zoe card. If enough of her voice lines play your opponent will slit their wrists. I like her in storm haven she's a nice strong body on turn 3 which the class was lacking
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Apr 15, 2017 03:59
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Funny how Hearthstone and Shadowverse swapped metas
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Apr 15, 2017 05:22
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Eej posted:Funny how Hearthstone and Shadowverse swapped metas Well hearthstone has not settled yet but I indeed think that the shadow cards should have little pirate hats.
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Apr 15, 2017 09:16
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someone photoshop a pic of luna saying im in charge now
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Apr 15, 2017 10:58
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Just pulled my second ginger AND an animated soul dominator from a pack aww yuss. I think i have like 6 legendaries in 15 packs, 2 of those animated. Lucky!
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Drew a dark jeanne. 7 legendaries in 16 packs now i guess! E: Drew a hulking giant! 8 legendaries in 18 packs. This is silly The Duchess Smackarse fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 22:34
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I don't know if I "get" the new meta aggro shadow. Is it literally just the same as the old Shadow Reaper deck but you use PrinceCat as a battery now instead of Saxton? Because that was always pretty liable to burning out instantly with one bad turn and no backup plan.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:24
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Yeah, pretty much, but also that you have Orthrus, and that Catacombs also makes your board pretty resistant to board clears, to the point that you get to go face even more.
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And Eachtar to finish E: Pulled another Zeus what the heck these legendary rates are crazy high The Duchess Smackarse fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 01:03
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Emalde posted:I don't know if I "get" the new meta aggro shadow. Is it literally just the same as the old Shadow Reaper deck but you use PrinceCat as a battery now instead of Saxton? Because that was always pretty liable to burning out instantly with one bad turn and no backup plan. The point is that you have around 6 one drops, 12 two drops (which can also be used on turn 4-5), 6 three drops, and 3 of everything else good that you can use to pump your weenies, so you have a very, very consistent early game. It's really rare to have a truly bad turn and if you feel like you have one too often then you can always add a few extra 1 drops. What prince catacomb gives you are sticky bodies for you to go face and buff, so that goblin that you dropped on 1 needs to be killed twice and will do like 4 damage to face until they finally get rid of him and by then it's usually too late. This also has the nice side-effect of producing extra shadows, pumping your reapers, and setting some really awkward trades (Do I kill the 2/2 with a skeleton or the 1/2 without one? it's not as simple as it seems). But aggro shadow is not truly the problem, the deck people bitch about is actually midrange shadow, which has pretty much the same start (which is why people think it's aggro) but adds some spells for turn 6+ and Eachtar (one of the most busted cards in the game) for an extra boost and board refill. This of course gives that deck a slight hit to its early-game consistency but it's no biggie. There is also little soulsquasher that just one-shots dragon's stupid giant stuff, zombie party that gets rid of 2/3 ward dude (or sets up an Eachtar turn), and Orthrus, which is a mini-cerberus. The deck gained a lot in the expansion.
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It's all luck. I've pulled like that in RoB, and out of about 100 packs of TotG, I've gotten 6 legendaries? 3x ouro, Minthe, Belph, Gawain. Also Immortal Thane can be used in the Midrange deck, as it's more bodies to fill up a board in case you're not ready for a Eachtar turn. Yukari fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Like, I just had another midrange shadow mirror (but he was running a slightly costlier curve) where the other dude went first but missed his one drop so things should have been kinda even. But he lost because I had 1 drop in turn one and 2 on turn two and he didn't kill any to go face (idiot). We both had catacombs, cerberus, etc but I had extra bodies so I easily took the board by turn five and he conceded on six. E: Another shadow match and I had a super-lovely early game but I somehow won because the other dude left some of my minions alive for Eachtar to buff. I mean, look at this:  He played death's breath next followed by cerberus... and I won! That's the power of Eachtar (and zombie party). e: I have played with Thane and he doesn't convince me. At 7 mana zombie party also generates 3 bodies and deals with somebody who could kill one of them, and is also a grimnir remover. And the deck really doesn't have that much space for lots of seven drops. Maybe one Thane, max two, even if you're running the "go wide" goblin princess value deck. In other words, I think that the deck that tries to kill on six and has Eachtar as plan B is better than the one that plans to win with him. trucutru fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 02:22
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Took a break for persona 5, came back and first game is shadow with perfect curve; Closed the game with no regret. It was a fun whatever number of months but it's pretty telling that the steam playerbase took a bigger drop off in half a month then it took after two months of daria pre nerf. 
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Apr 17, 2017 03:40
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What is the steam playerbase numbers and how can you tell that it dropped off?
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Apr 17, 2017 03:54
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Vanilla Mint Ice posted:Took a break for persona 5, came back and first game is shadow with perfect curve; Closed the game with no regret. It was a fun whatever number of months but it's pretty telling that the steam playerbase took a bigger drop off in half a month then it took after two months of daria pre nerf. Yeah, shadow and dragon are completely hosed up. At least with Daria you kinda had to wait until turn 4 to know if you were going to get your rear end in a top hat ripped open or not. Shadows wins at 2, and dragon at 3 and there is gently caress-all a regular non-optimized deck can do about it.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:57
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Every steam game keeps a stat of how many people are ingame currently so people created sites like steamcharts which aggregates these numbers
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Apr 17, 2017 03:59
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 Any changes you'd make to this list aside from swapping out the owlcat? It's there just because I have an animated one and it's pretty funny against skeletons, imps, yurius, and snake priestess.
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Apr 17, 2017 04:06
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Blood OTK plays favourably against both shadow aggro and dragon ramp y'all should play Blood OTK
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Yeah the Shadowverse meta is in a really stale place where the only viable decks are Aggro Shadow, Midrange Shadow, Aggro Blood, Vengeance Blood, Midrange Sword, Storm Dragon, Ramp Dragon, Aegis Haven oh and probably some sort of Forestcraft thing. It's so frustrating queueing into the same 8+ decks over and over again. No wonder Shadowverse Steam numbers are down, a thing that probably has nothing to do with the Hearthstone expansion that just launched.
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This isn't the first hearthstone expansion to drop during shadowverse's history you know, not to mention I doubt people are running away from shadowverse just to play a even worse game
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