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Damnit we NEED to see a steiner/serpent alliance people! Besides, if we don't tell the rest of the sphere, it means a high chance of Hanse Davion getting poo poo on, which is always a positive!!! Vote option 4 today!
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Apr 17, 2017 03:25
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Could someone explain to me why 6 is a huge deal. Given that clan intelligence is supposed to be a joke shouldn't most of the Innersphere houses already know about what is going on from their own vastly better intelligence services, and even if they couldn't infiltrate task force serpent, wouldn't task force serpent have told their nominal allies in Skye, the Free World's League, and Comstar? Wouldn't Skye and FWL at least be rife with spies from other houses? Wouldn't the NRWR be aware of what was going because of all their listening posts between the Innersphere and clan space and their really good intelligence branch? Or is the issue releasing the information to the general public? I mean it might generate panic, but if the information is presented the right way it can be used to generate more enthusiasm for the war effort.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:34
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The NRWR itself probably already knows but has no real motivation to share with the rest of the Sphere, since they don't really want the rest of the Sphere knowing anything about them or what they know, and anything that weakens the houses works out for the NRWR in th elong run. The answer to the rest of the questions is "probably not, everyone is stupid." Plus it would force the rest of them to acknowledge that hey, this poo poo is happening, maybe you don't just put your head in the sand and hope everybody else can deal with it.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:37
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4 It's time Freddy demonstrated some Realpolitik.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:43
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Also, the Inner Sphere's ability to actually gather intelligence from the Clan Homeworlds is notoriously limited less by the competence of their counterintelligence and more by their sheer isolation and distance. Which is why places like the NRWR's listening posts, or Saeder-Krupp's little operation here, were so vital.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:53
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6 for the win.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:55
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You naive children, letting the rest of the Inner Sphere know isn't going to unite the Inner Sphere against the clans, it's going to cause the complete destruction of the Lyran Commonwealth as the opportunistic villains that always made up the Inner Sphere spend that time figuring out the best way to get their chunk while the clans eat the Lyrans. At least, that's what I hope.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:56
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TildeATH posted:You naive children, letting the rest of the Inner Sphere know isn't going to unite the Inner Sphere against the clans, it's going to cause the complete destruction of the Lyran Commonwealth as the opportunistic villains that always made up the Inner Sphere spend that time figuring out the best way to get their chunk while the clans eat the Lyrans. Maybe. But those same people will know that the factions not near the Lyrans would be plotting the same against them, and then they'd have to deal with the Clans anyway. It should server as a wake up call, because they see how bad the other houses have been getting their asses kicked by just small parts of a couple of Clans. If Frederick lays it out there that they're all dead, that should get them to at least wait to back stab him until the Clans are beaten back.
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Apr 17, 2017 03:59
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6 it might not save the lyran commonwealth, but neither would any of the other options and this option pokes the political beehive
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Apr 17, 2017 04:02
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4 I think I will like its consequences more than 6's.
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Apr 17, 2017 04:06
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Also they aren't just hitting the Lyrans, the DracSuns will have their hands full, so it will really be "How will the Mariks end up backstabbing the Lyrans" and "What the hell are the Capellans up to" (I really want to know the answer to that last one)
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Apr 17, 2017 04:06
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Zaodai posted:Maybe. But those same people will know that the factions not near the Lyrans would be plotting the same against them, and then they'd have to deal with the Clans anyway. It should server as a wake up call, because they see how bad the other houses have been getting their asses kicked by just small parts of a couple of Clans. If Frederick lays it out there that they're all dead, that should get them to at least wait to back stab him until the Clans are beaten back. Counterpoint: Everyone hates the Steiners and most Inner Sphere Machievels will think that chewing through Steiner will leave those clans weak, so win-win.
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Apr 17, 2017 04:07
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Xarbala posted:Also, the Inner Sphere's ability to actually gather intelligence from the Clan Homeworlds is notoriously limited less by the competence of their counterintelligence and more by their sheer isolation and distance. Which is why places like the NRWR's listening posts, or Saeder-Krupp's little operation here, were so vital. This is exactly true and the prime reason why the IS had throughly infiltrated the Invading Clans almost immediately after Tukayyid but all they knew about, say, the Star Adders is their name. Also re: the FWL, Duncan seems like he wants to put that feud behind him. It's been the mildest front in the Inner Sphere for centuries after all.
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Apr 17, 2017 04:14
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TildeATH posted:You naive children, letting the rest of the Inner Sphere know isn't going to unite the Inner Sphere against the clans, it's going to cause the complete destruction of the Lyran Commonwealth as the opportunistic villains that always made up the Inner Sphere spend that time figuring out the best way to get their chunk while the clans eat the Lyrans. None of the Innersphere powers are really poised to take advantage of Lyran weakness. Almost everyone is already committed to opposing clans, Drac-Suns + Lyrans because of a mutual border, Vipers-Skye-FWL due to alliance + proximity + Knights of the Sphere non-sense, and the NRWR republic because of the dogma of the clans + Amaris. The only people who aren't committed by necessity or ideology to fighting the new clans are too busy fighting each other - the Capellan Federation, the Taurian Concordat, and the Dutchy of New Sytris - soon to be the Greater Capellan Confederation, as it should be.
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Apr 17, 2017 04:27
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4 and 6, in that order if they cannot be combined. It's time to reunite the Steiners with their new extended family.
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Apr 17, 2017 04:35
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4 is great because it effectively splits the sphere in half. Skye and the serpents are already close to the FWL thanks to their help with saving Carlos Marik. Adding in the Lyrans creates a huge power opposite the Drac Suns, meanwhile the capellans are going full mad scientist in the middle.
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Apr 17, 2017 05:02
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Can someone reiterate what this version of Task Force Serpent is?
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Apr 17, 2017 06:04
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I don't see how you could do 4 and not have it turn into 6 almost immediately. Like if you're informing the general public or even just the military and political leadership of hundreds of worlds, how could you possibly hope to contain that information from spreading to the other factions of the inner sphere?
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Apr 17, 2017 06:16
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Synthbuttrange posted:Can someone reiterate what this version of Task Force Serpent is? A joint invasion zone between the Steel Vipers, Star Adders and Cloud Cobras. Allied with the FWL and Republic of Skye in the new Star League.
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Apr 17, 2017 06:18
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Their territory is old Steiner stars, so 4 probably means giving up on taking any more of it back if not giving up the successes of this invasion, and also retaking Skye at least for now.
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Apr 17, 2017 06:22
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If all the Clans are coming in this second crusade, fair warning to you all that any missions involving Ghost Bears I'll almost certainly be rooting for Ghost Bears. Only King Dadlas on the field could hope to compete.
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Apr 17, 2017 06:22
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While I'm personally a four+six man myself, ultimately the reason I'd rather have six over four if we can only have one is because I think the Draconis Suns is pretty drat cool and if they don't get the word, they're going to get totally boned by the next wave. Presuming the next wave is actually en route to invade the Sphere rather than waste themselves attacking the original invasion Clans. Because with the Clanners you can never really tell what dumb-poo poo idea they're going with this week. Which is pretty much what happens when your governmental system is based around who's the best at driving a 'mech in one-on-one combat rather than, you know, actual tactical, strategic, logistical, or administrative skills.
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Apr 17, 2017 06:34
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I cannot seem to press 4 hard enough.
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Apr 17, 2017 06:40
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5 really feels like the most compelling story. Old general martyring his career for the sake of salvaging his blunder and all.
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Apr 17, 2017 06:58
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I think that the best choice i--Gwaihir posted:Damnit we NEED to see a steiner/serpent alliance people! --s to listen to this VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENT I vote 4. (I was in the middle of typing up a vote for a different option when I read this. Dunking on Hanse overrules all, even my FWL Partisanship.)
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Apr 17, 2017 07:34
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4 because reasons
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Apr 17, 2017 07:42
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4, why not.
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Apr 17, 2017 08:17
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I'm all 4 this.
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Apr 17, 2017 08:45
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6 then 6+4
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Apr 17, 2017 10:47
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Leperflesh posted:I don't see how you could do 4 and not have it turn into 6 almost immediately. Like if you're informing the general public or even just the military and political leadership of hundreds of worlds, how could you possibly hope to contain that information from spreading to the other factions of the inner sphere? They're mutually exclusive for a reason.
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Apr 17, 2017 11:41
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Tran posted:5 really feels like the most compelling story. Old general martyring his career for the sake of salvaging his blunder and all. This is how I feel. 5, let's see what Frederick Steiner can do to patch this up where he's best suited to do it.
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Apr 17, 2017 11:49
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I'm going to personally vote for 4. but I'm sure whatever wins will be magical.
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Apr 17, 2017 11:54
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4.
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Apr 17, 2017 12:00
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Tossing my vote in for 6.
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Apr 17, 2017 12:41
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Information wants to be free. 6. Also, think of the diplomatic bonuses Steiner will accrue with the other Great Powers
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Apr 17, 2017 13:18
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Voting 6.
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Apr 17, 2017 13:25
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4!
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Apr 17, 2017 13:39
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6 Maybe something nice will happen to the Lyrans for once.
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