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Deteriorata posted:The Renegade generally outscores the Crosstrek in reviews. Yes, it's a Jeep (made by FIAT) so it's going to be less reliable than the Subaru, but compared to how much you're already spending, the extra cost in maintenance isn't going to be all that much. There's the best, the worst, then FCA. The number of people I know with FCA lemon law experience on fiat based products is getting ridiculous. This isn't about cost, it is about your car being in the shop all the loving time.
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nm posted:There's the best, the worst, then FCA. The number of people I know with FCA lemon law experience on fiat based products is getting ridiculous. This isn't about cost, it is about your car being in the shop all the loving time. My experience with FCA products has been quite different from yours, apparently. ETA: Edmunds seems to agree with me: 2016 Jeep Renegade True Cost to Own: $26,506 2016 Subaru Crosstrek True Cost to Own: $30,282 So whatever issues the Jeep may have, the Subaru will likely be worse. Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Deteriorata posted:My experience with FCA products has been quite different from yours, apparently. Were your products made and designed by Fiat or Chrysler? Like the RWD products and some of the tracks aren't made, but the fiat based ones have some issues. The renegade is made in Italy and mostly is a fiat. TCO doesn't take into account real problems because they are covered by warranty. There is no cost. Only not having your car, setting up a tow truck, and fighting FCA for lemon law buyback. nm fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 00:14
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nm posted:Were your products made and designed by Fiat or Chrysler? Like the RWD products and some of the tracks aren't made, but the fiat based ones have some issues. The renegade is made in Italy and mostly is a fiat. Mostly Chrysler, as FIATs had not been sold in the US for 30 years. I currently own a FIAT, however.
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The Fiata isn't quite the comparable car though.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:The Fiata isn't quite the comparable car though. Wait, is his fiat the one one made in Japan? That's kinda cheating.
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I have a question about what to do about my old car, which I'm definitely getting rid of. It's a 2000 Audi A4 and is seriously the biggest piece of poo poo on the planet. CEL always on, oil pressure warning (though two mechanics have said there's no actual issue), awful interior condition, all speakers blown, battery dies in about 3 days if not driven (any battery; I've replaced many), only working lock is on the trunk (which can open the doors), weird herky-jerky revving issue when stopped in drive, auto dimming mirrors blew up and leaked auto dimming stuff all over, coolant and oil leaks, window regulator acting up (after having replaced it once already), hood pneumatic rod thing won't stay up, etc. The list goes on but I can't remember everything. It also needs to pass emissions soon and that'll probably cost > $1000 to get done. There's no way I'm doing that. But! It runs and I still use it for grocery shopping on the weekends. But it's a junker, right? I'm thinking I should just call a scrap guy to come take it away instead of trying to trade it in or sell it. Is that my best option?
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Big City Drinkin posted:I have a question about what to do about my old car, which I'm definitely getting rid of. It's a 2000 Audi A4 and is seriously the biggest piece of poo poo on the planet. CEL always on, oil pressure warning (though two mechanics have said there's no actual issue), awful interior condition, all speakers blown, battery dies in about 3 days if not driven (any battery; I've replaced many), only working lock is on the trunk (which can open the doors), weird herky-jerky revving issue when stopped in drive, auto dimming mirrors blew up and leaked auto dimming stuff all over, coolant and oil leaks, window regulator acting up (after having replaced it once already), hood pneumatic rod thing won't stay up, etc. The list goes on but I can't remember everything. It also needs to pass emissions soon and that'll probably cost > $1000 to get done. There's no way I'm doing that. What to do with it depends a bit on whether or not you need to replace it immediately. A dealer would take it off your hands as a trade-in, may not be interested as a straight sale. As a trade-in they'd just wholesale it and it would be someone else's problem. The car is maybe worth $1000 as is, its scrap value might be $400-$500. You could try a Craig's list ad for $1000 as a parts car and take $800, maybe. From what you describe I would feel awfully guilty fobbing it off on someone who intends to drive it.
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Big City Drinkin posted:I have a question about what to do about my old car, which I'm definitely getting rid of. It's a 2000 Audi A4 and is seriously the biggest piece of poo poo on the planet. CEL always on, oil pressure warning (though two mechanics have said there's no actual issue), awful interior condition, all speakers blown, battery dies in about 3 days if not driven (any battery; I've replaced many), only working lock is on the trunk (which can open the doors), weird herky-jerky revving issue when stopped in drive, auto dimming mirrors blew up and leaked auto dimming stuff all over, coolant and oil leaks, window regulator acting up (after having replaced it once already), hood pneumatic rod thing won't stay up, etc. The list goes on but I can't remember everything. It also needs to pass emissions soon and that'll probably cost > $1000 to get done. There's no way I'm doing that. Any running car is worth $1000. Someone (stupid) will buy it for about that even if you disclose issues (which you should). Scrap is probably $400. List it for $2000.
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2K is probably a stretch if it needs that much work, but never doubt craigslist. There are a lot of people out there who need a cheap pile to get around, and it's tax season so they have a nice $1500 check in their pocket.
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Big City Drinkin posted:I have a question about what to do about my old car, which I'm definitely getting rid of. It's a 2000 Audi A4 and is seriously the biggest piece of poo poo on the planet. CEL always on, oil pressure warning (though two mechanics have said there's no actual issue), awful interior condition, all speakers blown, battery dies in about 3 days if not driven (any battery; I've replaced many), only working lock is on the trunk (which can open the doors), weird herky-jerky revving issue when stopped in drive, auto dimming mirrors blew up and leaked auto dimming stuff all over, coolant and oil leaks, window regulator acting up (after having replaced it once already), hood pneumatic rod thing won't stay up, etc. The list goes on but I can't remember everything. It also needs to pass emissions soon and that'll probably cost > $1000 to get done. There's no way I'm doing that. This sounds like an average 16 year old Audi.
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Unload My Head posted:2K is probably a stretch if it needs that much work, but never doubt craigslist. There are a lot of people out there who need a cheap pile to get around, and it's tax season so they have a nice $1500 check in their pocket. You list it for $2000 so they'll offer $1000. Edit: can you sell it without emissions? In CA, you have to gave a smog cert, which would lead me to scrap if it needed anything beyond sensors to pass. nm fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Some states (like CA) still have a cash-for-clunkers style program going on also. That might give you the best cash to hassle ratio.
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ShadeofBlue posted:Some states (like CA) still have a cash-for-clunkers style program going on also. That might give you the best cash to hassle ratio. Yeah, I forgot about that. My buddy made a lot of money retiring an old clunker that wouldn't pass smog. More than he could have sold it for.
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Proposed Budget: Trading in Tacoma that I owe $18k on New or Used: New Body Style: Sedan with a trunk don't care about door amount How will you be using the car?: Driving to work and for leisure What aspects are most important to you? MPG ----------------------- I currently have a 16 Tacoma, I want to get rid of it as I no longer live in a arctic wasteland but instead a sunny sunshine state. I'm looking for a sedan, around 20k. What do you guys reccomend the most? The Civic or the Accord or the Corolla or a Impresza or a Mazda3?
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Empress Brosephine posted:Proposed Budget: Trading in Tacoma that I owe $18k on The Mazda3 probably gets recommended the most. Personally, I'd go with a 2 or 3 year old Mazda3 Grand Touring with activsense to get the adaptive cruise and whatnot. My recommendation for you would be to test drive the Civic, Accord, and the Mazda3 as they're all good cars for different reasons.
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Empress Brosephine posted:Proposed Budget: Trading in Tacoma that I owe $18k on If MPG is seriously all you care about, look at a Prius or other hybrid. Any of the cars you listed would get lower MPG but probably be a lot more fun to own and drive, so test out a bunch and see what you like. The Mazda3 tends to be a good compromise of economy and drivability.
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does the mazda3 have any of those safety features new toyotas have?
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I have a '14 hybrid Camry and I like it. Very smooth ride, nice pep when you floor it, looks good. Extremely reliable so far -- I've put in $50 in maintenance (scheduled, oil change) and maybe $350 in gas over the past year. 45mpg in 40 to 80 degree weather. Drops to like 38 mpg once it hits 20 degrees or below. The only mark against it is an inability to fold the back seats down -- if you're going to IKEA, you'll need to rent/borrow a truck. Based on your choices, I'd say it doesn't really matter. If you're inner city consider getting a lightly used compact (I'd go with Chevy Cruze or Prius). Otherwise, I hear the newer Impalas are pretty sweet. Hard to go wrong with an Accord or Camry either -- they're both class-defining models. DNK fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Oh yeah I forgot about those. I guess the other thing i'm interested in is a good audio system; right now I have the basic Toyota one and it's underwhelming, so if I went with Toyota i'd prob make sure to get the premium one. I was thinking Carolla XSE I think it's called? I dunno, if Mazda or Honda have similiar i'd be fine with that too.
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Empress Brosephine posted:does the mazda3 have any of those safety features new toyotas have? I don't know which safety features you're talking about. You can get the Mazda3 with adaptive cruise, blind spot warnings, automatic braking, lane departure control. You really just need to drive the ones talked about and make a choice that way. I seem to recall that most in this thread aren't too enamored of the Corolla.
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yeah fair enough I'll test drive em all. Leaning towards the mazda right now, never had one and I liked the Tacoma for what it was but....meh
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Thermopyle posted:I seem to recall that most in this thread aren't too enamored of the Corolla. The Corolla isn't a bad choice, per se, but it's lagging behind most of the competition in the small economy car segment in a lot of ways. It'll likely be a reliable, relatively cheap new car but you're paying the Toyota brand tax to get a car that is technologically older with worse driving dynamics and a less well-appointed interior than something like a Mazda 3 or the new Honda Civic. For someone who wants "just a car" it's completely adequate, but the value proposition and engineering/design modernity isn't quite on the same level as the competition at the moment.
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I'll stay away from the corolla then. Guess Honda or Mazda for me
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Empress Brosephine posted:I'll stay away from the corolla then. Guess Honda or Mazda for me Try one and see for yourself, though. Coming from a Tacoma, you may feel right at home in a Corolla. That it's the latest, greatest whatever matters less than it being something you actually like, rather than something you feel like you're supposed to like. How practical or roomy does it need to be? Being in a warm, sunshiny state may make a convertible attractive. If you're not in a hurry to buy, take your time and learn what's available.
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poo poo I'd love to have a convertible but the only thing in my range is a Mazda sport or whatever it's called but I'm too tall for one 
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Just go drive some different cars. Certain cars look good on paper, or have a bit of a following in this thread (Mazda, which honestly I don't care for personally). Everyone is different though. Auto enthusiast care about different things than people who view their cars as appliances. I think Hyundai and KIA are making some pretty nice cars right now. I'm personally a bit of a Ford Fanboy, but that's just my personal preference right now. I don't love the Focus in the compact segment though. Go check out the Elantra, it can be kitted out really well and gets pretty solid gas mileage. The Sonata isn't a bad midsize option either, but if you shop midsize, lightly used Ford Fusions can be had for a huge discount.
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skipdogg posted:Just go drive some different cars. Certain cars look good on paper, or have a bit of a following in this thread (Mazda, which honestly I don't care for personally). Everyone is different though. Auto enthusiast care about different things than people who view their cars as appliances. Explain some of this a little more please so I can learn a bit. Why don't you care much for Mazda, and why is the Focus not a good option in the compact category?
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Michael Scott posted:Explain some of this a little more please so I can learn a bit. Why don't you care much for Mazda, and why is the Focus not a good option in the compact category? The Focus transmission is awful. It's supposedly less awful now, and those of us dumb enough to have one have a 7 year / 100k mile warranty on the transmission for free from Ford, but it's still bad.
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Twerk from Home posted:The Focus transmission is awful. It's supposedly less awful now, and those of us dumb enough to have one have a 7 year / 100k mile warranty on the transmission for free from Ford, but it's still bad. Looking forward to this thread in a bit.
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I've been living in 2004; kias arent poo poo anymore?
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Michael Scott posted:Explain some of this a little more please so I can learn a bit. Why don't you care much for Mazda, and why is the Focus not a good option in the compact category? Personal preference, that's it. Empress Brosephine posted:I've been living in 2004; kias arent poo poo anymore? No, KIA makes a good car these days. I don't think they lead the market in any category but their offerings are solid.
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Deteriorata posted:No first hand account, but if you're into the Chevy spirit there's the Sonic, which is a bit smaller than the Cruze but otherwise similar. A 2014 model ought to be right at your price point. The Sonic is horrible and underpowered.
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Razzled posted:Hi friends! If you can wait there is a new Crosstrax in like 3 months
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sbaldrick posted:If you can wait there is a new Crosstrax in like 3 months Haha was just about to post. Thanks all for the thoughts. I've cooled on the Jeep and am gonna wait for news on the '18 Crosstrek to come out of NY this week. Supposedly the manual has six gears now which effectively quashes any misgivings I had
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The Renegade is poo poo much like the Ford DCT.
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Test drive the Civic didn't like it settled with a corolla sport so you guys were right lol
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I have a third kid on the way and I'm thinking its time to sell my Charger for a minivan (I just asked about minivans in the parenting thread). Proposed Budget: 22k New or Used: Used, below 80k miles Body Style: Minivan How will you be using the car?: Daily driver to work (16 mile round trip) and hauling wife/MIL and three kids around on evenings/weekends. What aspects are most important to you? Just want to get good bang for the buck and be safe. I really don't care about fancy poo poo like speakers or extra screens. (e.g. reliability, cost of ownership/maintenance, import/domestic, MPG, size, style) location I live in metro Detroit so the roads kind of suck real bad and sometimes strangers judge you for not buying American. Where my mind is right now - my mechanic says that Toyota Siennas are the best for maintainability which is cool, but Chrysler/Dodge minivans are in much greater supply and at lower prices. Finding a used Odyssey is really tough. A late-model Kia seems like not a bad idea either, but idk.
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The T&C won't be the most reliable thing in the world but other than that it is very good and a good value. Stow-n-Go is a great feature. I would probably buy Big 3 in Detroit as well. edit: you've already dealt with FCA "quality" so if it hasn't put you off the brand I would definitely go with the T&C
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Your mechanic is right. A year ago a guy I worked with picked up a lightly used Sienna LE for 19.5K or so. You shouldn't have a problem finding something in your price range.
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