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Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
Corran wasn't even part of Wraith Squadron!

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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Some Numbers posted:

Corran wasn't even part of Wraith Squadron!

He'd be the kind of guy who shows up anyway.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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gently caress Corran Horn.

He's the ultimate representation of my least favorite play-style in X-Wing.

Get head on points. Run away and regen until time runs out.

gently caress Poe for this, too. Miranda isn't so bad because her low agility.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




I wish Poe was still viable but like...everything in the current meta owns him.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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banned from Starbucks posted:

I wish Poe was still viable but like...everything in the current meta owns him.

What owns him other than Hotshot copilot?

I guess bombs hurt him but they hurt everything.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
The alpha strikes wreck Poe hard, too.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?
I imagine snap shot as well, and stressors.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




ConfusedUs posted:

What owns him other than Hotshot copilot?

I guess bombs hurt him but they hurt everything.

stress
hotshot
pretty much any RAC list
Jumps
Fenn
crack (either with snap As or Tie Swarms)
Rey falcons
competent defenders shrug off his attacks

pretty much anything currently seeing play. even lists that arent even top tier but will linger in the 2-2 tables give him trouble.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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banned from Starbucks posted:

stress
hotshot
pretty much any RAC list
Jumps
Fenn
crack (either with snap As or Tie Swarms)
Rey falcons
competent defenders shrug off his attacks

pretty much anything currently seeing play. even lists that arent even top tier but will linger in the 2-2 tables give him trouble.

To be fair, most of those are hard on any ship, not just Poe.

It might just be my local meta, but I have a very healthy respect for a well-kitted Poe.

We have a couple of extremely talented players who just love Poe to death. The kind of players who almost always make the cut at any tournament, all the way up to Worlds.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Are they actually flying Poe in those tournaments?

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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banned from Starbucks posted:

Are they actually flying Poe in those tournaments?

Yes.

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Poe. Everything listed hurts everything.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Raged posted:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Poe. Everything listed hurts everything.

HotCop is about the only thing on there that is uniquely suited to loving over Poe.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008
THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
So, I'm in a tournament in couple weeks where in you bring 1 ship at 40 points. You get paired with someone else and face two opponents. Therefore, what I am considering is either

Ten numb with mangler, VI, adv sensors
Ps9 Poe with R5-P9, Autothrusters, Lone Wolf
O'Leader with juke, comms relay, and shield upgrade(Only works out to 30)
Soontir with PTL, Stealth, Auto (Only comes out to 35 points)


Ten is just to gently caress with anyone who brings soontir I'll be honest.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Raged posted:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Poe. Everything listed hurts everything.

If that were true where are the Poes in any of the regional or system open top cuts? Not everything on that list hurts everything else equally but they will all give Poe a bad day. Yeah Stress and hotcop are bad for Fenn too but he has mindlink mitigating some of that, has 2 safe range bands and also costs 10ish less points.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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bunnyofdoom posted:

So, I'm in a tournament in couple weeks where in you bring 1 ship at 40 points. You get paired with someone else and face two opponents. Therefore, what I am considering is either

Ten numb with mangler, VI, adv sensors
Ps9 Poe with R5-P9, Autothrusters, Lone Wolf
O'Leader with juke, comms relay, and shield upgrade(Only works out to 30)
Soontir with PTL, Stealth, Auto (Only comes out to 35 points)


Ten is just to gently caress with anyone who brings soontir I'll be honest.

I find I like the Ten build with Adaptability (or VI, or Calculation) + FCS + Bistan + mod that lets you take crew + Ion Cannon a lot more than AdvSens/Mangler.

Here are some of my other favorites at that range.

"I can't shake him!"
Nien Nunb (29)
Stay On Target (2)
Targeting Astromech (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 38

"Chill out, bro!"
Nien Nunb (29)
Snap Shot (2)
R3-A2 (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 38

"gently caress your target locks!"
"Snap" Wexley (28)
Veteran Instincts (1)
BB-8 (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 36

"Just fuckin' die already jesus christ fuuuuuuuu!"
Ezra Bridger (20)
Push the Limit (3)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Chewbacca (4)
Hull Upgrade (3)

Total: 36

"Three hits!"
Horton Salm (25)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
R2-D6 (1)
Expertise (4)
Vectored Thrusters (2)

Total: 38

"Dancing Nora!"
Norra Wexley (29)
Push the Limit (3)
Kyle Katarn (3)
BB-8 (2)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

"Truckasaurus Rex!"
Total: 39
Norra Wexley (29)
Push the Limit (3)
C-3PO (3)
R2-D2 (4)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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banned from Starbucks posted:

If that were true where are the Poes in any of the regional or system open top cuts? Not everything on that list hurts everything else equally but they will all give Poe a bad day. Yeah Stress and hotcop are bad for Fenn too but he has mindlink mitigating some of that, has 2 safe range bands and also costs 10ish less points.

It's his damage output vs cost compared to other regen aces, not his survivability. Miranda is better over time with TLT. If you spend points on bombs or missiles, you get better burst damage too. Corran has better burst damage. Nora is super as tanky and hits like a truck.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




I mean you're basically just saying that hes bad for other reasons now instead of saying hes actually good.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008
THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

ConfusedUs posted:

I find I like the Ten build with Adaptability (or VI, or Calculation) + FCS + Bistan + mod that lets you take crew + Ion Cannon a lot more than AdvSens/Mangler.

Here are some of my other favorites at that range.

"I can't shake him!"
Nien Nunb (29)
Stay On Target (2)
Targeting Astromech (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 38

"Chill out, bro!"
Nien Nunb (29)
Snap Shot (2)
R3-A2 (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 38

"gently caress your target locks!"
"Snap" Wexley (28)
Veteran Instincts (1)
BB-8 (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 36

"Just fuckin' die already jesus christ fuuuuuuuu!"
Ezra Bridger (20)
Push the Limit (3)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Chewbacca (4)
Hull Upgrade (3)

Total: 36

"Three hits!"
Horton Salm (25)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
R2-D6 (1)
Expertise (4)
Vectored Thrusters (2)

Total: 38

"Dancing Nora!"
Norra Wexley (29)
Push the Limit (3)
Kyle Katarn (3)
BB-8 (2)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

"Truckasaurus Rex!"
Total: 39
Norra Wexley (29)
Push the Limit (3)
C-3PO (3)
R2-D2 (4)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

For dancing Norra can I upgrade the VT to EU? She gets barrel roll off BB-8 anyways.


If I had the U-wing, I'd totally do Horton tho.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

bunnyofdoom posted:

For dancing Norra can I upgrade the VT to EU? She gets barrel roll off BB-8 anyways.


If I had the U-wing, I'd totally do Horton tho.

EU puts her at 41 points, unfortunately. It actually sucks, because I agree that EU is much better than VT, but you'd have to turn her into Shara to fit it in.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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bunnyofdoom posted:

For dancing Norra can I upgrade the VT to EU? She gets barrel roll off BB-8 anyways.


If I had the U-wing, I'd totally do Horton tho.

Drop to Rey instead of Kyle and you can!

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



ConfusedUs posted:

gently caress Corran Horn.

He's the ultimate representation of my least favorite play-style in X-Wing.

Get head on points. Run away and regen until time runs out.

gently caress Poe for this, too. Miranda isn't so bad because her low agility.

When I was 0-3 with my RAC/Kylo/HotCop plus Vader list, I knew my slump was busted when he set up Corran. Blinded pilot, shaken pilot, dead on like turn 3 or 4.

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats
Gaming wise, nothing will ever feel quite as good as Fenn Rau one shotting Corran on turn 3 of my first tournament final.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Raged posted:

Gaming wise, nothing will ever feel quite as good as Fenn Rau one shotting Corran on turn 3 of my first tournament final.

N'Dru one-shotting a full-health Defender with a Homing Missile gently caress yeah.

Tequila Ranger
Sep 11, 2004

host after host after host ...

Raged posted:

Gaming wise, nothing will ever feel quite as good as Fenn Rau one shotting Corran on turn 3 of my first tournament final.

Avoiding Miranda & Esege's Bombs while driving your opponent into such a tizzy that he flies them both off the board.

Or BMST'ing Soontier's last wound to end the game.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
I do think adv. slam+action bombs+sabine are a bit over the top in terms of what they do to low hp ships because the area in which a k-wing can dump cluster mines/connor net on you as a lower ps ship is insane.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
Yup. Unless blocked they can hit anywhere in range and arc, and anywhere in range 2 in their front 180.

Just part of the reason why I loving HATE K Wings.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
I killed a Quickdraw without actually doing a damage to his shields earlier this week thanks to BMST. It was pretty hilarious.

Kilo147
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

Dumb question. Did anyone here get the base upgrade set in red? I need one more large red base for my assault carrier. Username@live.com or pm me.

Tequila Ranger
Sep 11, 2004

host after host after host ...

Kilo147 posted:

Dumb question. Did anyone here get the base upgrade set in red? I need one more large red base for my assault carrier. Username@live.com or pm me.

Just a fyi iirc they wont fit the epic ship stands so you would be down to using the large ship pegs which might not be as stable as you might like.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

AndyElusive posted:

Seeing Denis Lawson attend SWCO and genuinely seem to enjoy himself gives me hope that he'll appear as Wedge in Ep 9 and we'll all one day get him as a T70 pilot.

Realtalk; Denis Lawson and Garrick Hagon (Biggs) were extremely cool dudes to meet this weekend. I was the last person to see Denis yesterday before he took a break and he and I got to talking about the chaotic (lack of) organization this year. Garrick didn't have anyone in his line, so he wandered over and chimed in with the insanity he'd experienced. Then he walked away for a second and came back with a personalized autograph, free of charge. Really solid and cool dudes.

Kilo147
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

Tequila Ranger posted:

Just a fyi iirc they wont fit the epic ship stands so you would be down to using the large ship pegs which might not be as stable as you might like.

I'm dumb and don't know better, so yeah.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Realtalk; Denis Lawson and Garrick Hagon (Biggs) were extremely cool dudes to meet this weekend. I was the last person to see Denis yesterday before he took a break and he and I got to talking about the chaotic (lack of) organization this year. Garrick didn't have anyone in his line, so he wandered over and chimed in with the insanity he'd experienced. Then he walked away for a second and came back with a personalized autograph, free of charge. Really solid and cool dudes.

That's an awesome story. This year's Celebration sounded and looked cool as hell.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




Here's something bad and dumb.

Firespray-31: · Kath Scarlet (38)
Veteran Instincts (1)
"Mangler" Cannon (4)
Tactician (2)

Lambda-Class Shuttle: Omicron Group Pilot (21)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Tactical Jammer (1)
· Rebel Captive (3)

TIE/fo Fighter: · "Epsilon Leader" (19)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)
-- TOTAL ------- 100p. --

Kath goes out and stresses whoever shouldn't be stressed, the Omicron and Epsilon castle up. Omicron stops every turn, takes a focus or TL, gets the stress removed, and shoots HLC from downtown. It's bad and will never work but SOUNDS fun.

IronSaber
Feb 24, 2009

:roboluv: oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...:fap:
Nobody uses Imperial Firesprays anymore, do they?

Here's another Dumb But Fun list:

Cassian Andor (27)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Fire-Control System (2)
Han Solo (2)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
Hull Upgrade (3)
Pivot Wing (0)

Blue Squadron Pathfinder (23)
Fire-Control System (2)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
Recon Specialist (3)
Hull Upgrade (3)
Pivot Wing (0)

Blue Squadron Pathfinder (23)
Fire-Control System (2)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
Recon Specialist (3)
Hull Upgrade (3)
Pivot Wing (0)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Speaking of Dumb But Fun: 4-action U-Wing with no stress!

U-Wing: · Cassian Andor (27)
Expert Handling (2)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Experimental Interface (3)
Kyle Katarn (3)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
Pivot wing (0)
-- TOTAL ------- 39p. --

Dial in a green move.

Use Advanced Sensors to start off with a Target lock or focus action.

Trigger experimental interface off that to do an Expert Handling barrel roll (and shed an enemy lock!). Receive two stress.

Reveal and execute your green move. Inspiring recruit clears both stress and gets you two focus from Kyle.

End result: Barrel Roll (on a large ship!), two focuses, and either a third focus or a target lock. And you're not stressed.

MMD3
May 16, 2006

Montmartre -> Portland
If I give someone a list of my expansions in Yet Another Squad Builder could someone help me figure out some good beginner squadrons I can use for playing games with friends who are new to the game? I dove in way to deep way to quick thanks to a friend gifting me a few hundred dollars worth of ships and the setup is the most intimidating part for me that keeps me from playing the game more. None of my friends who I would be playing with have played it more than once and I've only played like 4x now. Really just hoping for some good beginner squadron lists even though I have way more ships than the starter sets.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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MMD3 posted:

If I give someone a list of my expansions in Yet Another Squad Builder could someone help me figure out some good beginner squadrons I can use for playing games with friends who are new to the game? I dove in way to deep way to quick thanks to a friend gifting me a few hundred dollars worth of ships and the setup is the most intimidating part for me that keeps me from playing the game more. None of my friends who I would be playing with have played it more than once and I've only played like 4x now. Really just hoping for some good beginner squadron lists even though I have way more ships than the starter sets.

Have you run them through the beginner/learn to play games with one x-wing and 2 TIEs yet? That really is the best way to learn.

After you do that, maybe double it to 2 X-Wings and 4 TIEs.

After that, everyone pick a new ship to learn each game?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

ConfusedUs posted:

Have you run them through the beginner/learn to play games with one x-wing and 2 TIEs yet? That really is the best way to learn.

After you do that, maybe double it to 2 X-Wings and 4 TIEs.

After that, everyone pick a new ship to learn each game?

This is good advice.

MMD3 posted:

If I give someone a list of my expansions in Yet Another Squad Builder could someone help me figure out some good beginner squadrons I can use for playing games with friends who are new to the game? I dove in way to deep way to quick thanks to a friend gifting me a few hundred dollars worth of ships and the setup is the most intimidating part for me that keeps me from playing the game more. None of my friends who I would be playing with have played it more than once and I've only played like 4x now. Really just hoping for some good beginner squadron lists even though I have way more ships than the starter sets.

Another thing I'll add is that a hard part for a player as new as you might be to balance the squad lists, so there's not a clear overpowered squad. That's something I'm sure the thread can help with, if you have some guidelines on what you want to see in a list.
Like, "we want to have one squad with the Millennium Falcon and one or two other ships from the original trilogy, and another squad with Darth Vader in a TIE Advanced" gives you a lot to go off of.

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enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

ConfusedUs posted:

Speaking of Dumb But Fun: 4-action U-Wing with no stress!

U-Wing: · Cassian Andor (27)
Expert Handling (2)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Experimental Interface (3)
Kyle Katarn (3)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
Pivot wing (0)
-- TOTAL ------- 39p. --

Dial in a green move.

Use Advanced Sensors to start off with a Target lock or focus action.

Trigger experimental interface off that to do an Expert Handling barrel roll (and shed an enemy lock!). Receive two stress.

Reveal and execute your green move. Inspiring recruit clears both stress and gets you two focus from Kyle.

End result: Barrel Roll (on a large ship!), two focuses, and either a third focus or a target lock. And you're not stressed.

I have a friend who like to Advance Sensor into Rage into a green into Inspiring Recruit with Kyle K., so 3 focuses and rerolls on 3 dice when attacking.

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