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Wait, is that what people mean when they say Brian obviously outed the guy? That he was clearly Tyler's dad? I didn't get that at all.
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Business posted:Go back and listen to the clips and consider how carefully everything is written, and how many really smart radio producers with decades of experience were involved in this, and how long they have been crafting this whole story, listening to the same clips over and over again. Even if it's not literally true (which again they aren't saying), the implication is there and they know it stop
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If the two people most inconvenienced by the podcast are the KKK dude who bought the property and Tyler's lovely dad, I could not care less.
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Escobarbarian posted:Wait, is that what people mean when they say Brian obviously outed the guy? That he was clearly Tyler's dad? I didn't get that at all. That's the first I've heard that theory floated. Everyone else is concerned that Brian Reed provided enough information to out the interview subject within his small community and, even worse, framed the "off the record" interview in a way that inherently plays into innuendo and gives more credibility to John as "accuser" than to the "accused." The Modern Leper fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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It wasn't the uncut mystery crack that Serial S1 was but still I really loved S-Town. What a fascinating guy John was. I hear the charges of voyeurism, but the majority of this was built on interviews by people - John, Tyler, Rita - who were itching to tell their side of the story. So he let them. I'm okay with it. PS, John literally referred to Tyler's dad as a "child molester" so I don't think that was the guy.
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I didn't get that impression either.
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I listened to the whole thing over the last 2 days. Initially, I though it was going to be like Serial. But the podcast art, ending song, and insanity through he first 2 eps made me think it might be fake to the point I didn't want to Google any of the locations and names because it would kill my suspension of disbelief. All in all, A+ recommended.
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outlier posted:There's at least one person who the reporter doesn't know the name of, which would indicate that not everyone signed off. What are the guidelines for this sort of thing? I don't know about audio but if you film people you need a few signatures to use the footage commercially. I think the format downplays the fact that this audio was captured over a rather long period of time (my impression is years?) so it's easy to view this as forensically picking apart some crazy dude's life but John reached out to the reporter over a period of years and invited him to become part of his life. Do these guys hanging out in a secret bar at a tattoo shop fully understand the implications of appearing on an internationally famous podcast? Should a lawyer be present to tell them what they should and should not say? In what way would that be journalism? I'll admit standing outside Richard Simmons' house with a boom box is going too far. To me, this story about John humanized everyone involved. That's the most a documentarian should hope to achieve in depicting his subjects; anything else is a form of lying or fabricating the story. quote:It's very much the NPR style, isn't it? And I found the reporter a bit fake as well. Definitely. It's become a trope in podcasts and is even worse on the ones that do this for no reason. I tried listening to a new serial murder podcast last month and they spent more time introducing each other than talking about the killer. Nobody listens to podcasts about serial murderers because they love hearing about the people who make the podcast. My observation is that a lot of people try to copy the wrong elements about popular shows. Koenig and her assistant were the least interesting part of Serial. I listen to NPR in the car and like to play a game where I see how long it takes them to shoehorn some minority or immigrant group into a story where they don't belong. I swear they'd do a story on bees and it'd be about a Muslim Somali refugee family raising bees in Brooklyn, which they'd connect back to the travel ban. I know they are playing to a generational audience and eventually the Chapo Trap House guys will be running All Things Considered, but it's just kind of silly how they instill neoliberal value signaling into every last millisecond of airtime.
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bad day posted:I listen to NPR in the car and like to play a game where I see how long it takes them to shoehorn some minority or immigrant group into a story where they don't belong. I swear they'd do a story on bees and it'd be about a Muslim Somali refugee family raising bees in Brooklyn, which they'd connect back to the travel ban. HOW DARE YOU SAY IT DOESN'T BELONG [/FakeOutrage] Listening to the podcast, a huge portion of these stories are someone making things much more difficult than they need to be because of some cultural hang up, or just plain being a fish out of water who doesn't know how to navigate their situation.
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bad day posted:... it's just kind of silly how they instill neoliberal value signaling into every last millisecond of airtime. I think Sean Hannity has a podcast that may be more your liking.
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bad day posted:why are they always talking about minorities i want to hear about AMERICAN lives
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bad day posted:I listen to NPR in the car and like to play a game where I see how long it takes them to shoehorn some minority or immigrant group into a story where they don't belong. I swear they'd do a story on bees and it'd be about a Muslim Somali refugee family raising bees in Brooklyn, which they'd connect back to the travel ban. i'm just gonna quote this for posterity
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I really don't care if the stories I listen to at work confirm my values or highlight the plight of oppressed and disadvantaged peoples. I just like good stories. S-Town was a good story - I can tell because some parts of it kind of upset me and are still running around the back of my brain, days later. A really good radio story unpacks in your mind. You think about it afterwards. This is what I like about TAL. NPR weekday shows are the exact opposite - if there's a big storm somewhere they'll do a story about the family of gay Tibetan throat singers who run a Montessori school there. It's a good format, I guess? Do people actually like it? I'm a big Planet Money fan which is strangely exempt from this rule (because it's a podcast?). bad day fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Electoral Surgery posted:MURICA See, this is stupid because that's not what I'm saying. This is a format they use because it tests well with their base demographic. It's just another example of how marketing techniques have leaked into news content. I could care less about where people are from I just think it's lame to have such an obvious moral agenda and try to pretend it doesn't exist. Not only that but I'm really not interested in what people who think they need to teach me values have to say. Unfortunately there's nothing else halfway decent on the radio. bad day fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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I CAME HERE FOR A STORY ABOUT BEES NOT MUSLIMS YOU NEOLIBERAL SCUM shouted the normal man at his radio
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bad day posted:See, this is stupid because that's not what I'm saying. This is a format they use because it tests well with their base demographic. It's just another example of how marketing techniques have leaked into news content. I could care less about where people are from I just think it's lame to have such an obvious moral agenda and try to pretend it doesn't exist. I think part of it is they were investigating their 20,000 story about news topic of the day and then they actually found a story that broke out of the norm. Still beats the mould of, "I was talking to this person I go to temple with, and you would not believe what is going on in their family!"
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Yeah, my impression is it's a sort of selection bias where producers know what stories get aired and specifically tailor their reporting to maximize personal success. I'm not saying it's some kind of NPR conspiracy but the end result is rather silly at times.
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sexpig by night posted:that's literally describing an NPR conspiracy No, it's literally not?  NPR does stories about major news topics, and if they find a secondary story along the way they flesh it out to another content block?
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Apr 5, 2017 18:48
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Tyler robbed that place blind y'all.
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Totally and he didn't give one poo poo about taking a school bus worth of junk and trying to build a house with it. He probably stole a lot more before and after johnny bs death.
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Invalid Validation posted:Totally and he didn't give one poo poo about taking a school bus worth of junk and trying to build a house with it. He probably stole a lot more before and after johnny bs death. Definitely. I let out a WTF when he said he took John's vehicles. What the hell are you going to do with vehicles registered to someone else, Tyler?! Forge the deed and sell them, apparently.
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Sup guys just popping into this thread to unironically speak the term Virtue Signaling and also complain about minorities.
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Just wanted to say uncle Jimmy is the best
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Just wanted to say This.
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Wake_N_Bake posted:yessuh!
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Listened to all of S-Town yesterday and by the middle of episode 2, I was wishing for more of this interesting guy that started the whole thing instead of a murder story. I was not happy with how my wish came true. 
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SeANMcBAY posted:Listened to all of S-Town yesterday and by the middle of episode 2, I was wishing for more of this interesting guy that started the whole thing instead of a murder story. i just wanted to listen the radio guy follow john and like they go around the woodstock area having wacky misadventures 
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it's funny cuz I initially started the show with a less than positive impression of John. he kind of comes off as your typical hateful medium fish in a small pond intellectual, even if it's truly a lovely town. Kinda just feeling like he's better than everyone and going on what initially seem like bizarre and tangential rants. Plus there are those initial vibes that he may be full of poo poo with regards to whatever he led Brian in on. of course you find out that he's a complex and contradictory human being like the rest of us and get on this empathetic emotional rollercoaster
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Just wanted to say YEAS
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Arrhythmia posted:YEAS DEATH. DEATH!
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BOO KOO GOLD!
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Just wanted to say gawd drat yayess
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Just finished S-Town. That was amazing. Especially when you got to the end and wound up looking at the players in whole new lights. I'm just getting back into TAL after a while away, and that's definitely a great way to get back in.
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in_cahoots posted:This is pretty much how I feel. The "but he's an atheist" argument seemed particularly specious. Atheists have families too, just because they're dead and gone doesn't mean their secrets can't cause others pain. Maybe he should have thought of that (along with many other factors) before he killed himself.
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"Things other people do after a guy dies are the dead guy's fault." -Goons
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I'm gonna guess most people wouldn't care if much more time had passed before airing. However, they knew what they were getting into, the cousin was warned multiple times by her husband not to speak on tape but couldn't help herself.
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UltraRed posted:"Things other people do after a guy dies are the dead guy's fault." -Goons I mean it's hosed up that he didn't even leave some sort of mechanism/instructions behind to protect his mama. I understand the burden of being a caretaker, of having to take care of a sick mother, and I imagine it drives you crazy and cruel over a long enough period esp. if it's all your life is, but that part with her just being locked in a padded room or whatever was hosed up. On the other hand, mental illness, plus when you're a suicidal atheist I doubt you care about what happens when you're worm food...so f the world. A man of contradictions just like the rest of us. Maybe that just throws water on the fire of the idea that he really really wanted to leave money to help X or Y, or that he had considerable wealth left over at all
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bad day posted:I know they are playing to a generational audience and eventually the Chapo Trap House guys will be running All Things Considered, but it's just kind of silly how they instill neoliberal value signaling into every last millisecond of airtime. Hey man, didn't know you had an account, how's K3 Lumber doing
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"neoliberal value signaling" that word, i do not think it means what you think it means
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