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R. Mute posted:You have to? I think they're talking about the fact if the EU were more democratic, that would mean nations like Slovenia would become irrelevant due to tiny size/population while nations like Germany become even more important than ever now that democratic legitimization is what the EU works on. I don't think that's the only model and you can increase democratic representation without making raw population numbers the only thing that determines how much of a voice your nation gets, but I'd agree democratization doesn't automatically increase sovereignty.
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Does anyone advocating for improving EU democracy actually want EU parliamentary seats to be based more closely on population? Whenever anyone I've heard talk about it they want to remove powers from Brussels entirely, change how the Commission and Parliament legislate or change institutional or treaty-based obligations?
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Kurtofan posted:Mélenchonmentum is real http://i.imgur.com/NIaLgIj.png
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Kurtofan posted:Mélenchonmentum is real Has anyone done any demographic breakdowns of the new Melenchon voters? Basically I remember people worrying that LePen had a bunch of young voters (like 1 in 5 millennials) and now I'm wondering if the Mélenchonmentum has any kind of similar young energy, or if this is some weird backwards world where the youths are trying to make a fascism and the olds are trying to make a communism.
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DrProsek posted:Has anyone done any demographic breakdowns of the new Melenchon voters? Basically I remember people worrying that LePen had a bunch of young voters (like 1 in 5 millennials) and now I'm wondering if the Mélenchonmentum has any kind of similar young energy, or if this is some weird backwards world where the youths are trying to make a fascism and the olds are trying to make a communism. the melanchon supporter i know is younger than me. at the same time, a high up director in the labs at the CNRS (so old) is also a big name in the melanchon camp.he seems to have p broad appeal, and i got handed some fliers for a rally of his on the way home the other day.
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Condiv posted:the melanchon supporter i know is younger than me. at the same time, a high up director in the labs at the CNRS (so old) is also a big name in the melanchon camp.he seems to have p broad appeal, and i got handed some fliers for a rally of his on the way home the other day. Why is the Melenchon supporter not you?
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Orange Devil posted:Why is the Melenchon supporter not you? I don't think I can vote in French elections since I'm not a citizen yet
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DrProsek posted:I think they're talking about the fact if the EU were more democratic, that would mean nations like Slovenia would become irrelevant due to tiny size/population while nations like Germany become even more important than ever now that democratic legitimization is what the EU works on. To clarify, it's not just the idea of setting voting power to match population, you can lose sovereignty in the other direction as well by increasing the power of smaller nations over big ones. This was one of the huge sticking points of the Lisbon treaty, as prior to that any country could veto EU laws alone, which works fine when you only have 6 members but is extremely unwieldy at 27. Reducing the ability of countries to veto had Britain and France hopping mad, since they were both concerned that they would no longer be able to stop a gang of smaller countries forcing unwelcome laws onto everyone (in Britain's case, increased European integration, in France's case anything that might affect CAP)
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MikeCrotch posted:To clarify, it's not just the idea of setting voting power to match population, you can lose sovereignty in the other direction as well by increasing the power of smaller nations over big ones. This was one of the huge sticking points of the Lisbon treaty, as prior to that any country could veto EU laws alone, which works fine when you only have 6 members but is extremely unwieldy at 27. Reducing the ability of countries to veto had Britain and France hopping mad, since they were both concerned that they would no longer be able to stop a gang of smaller countries forcing unwelcome laws onto everyone (in Britain's case, increased European integration, in France's case anything that might affect CAP)
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R. Mute posted:What does this have to do with democratisation? nothing, but 'reform the eu's rules to be more democratic' is an easier bullet point than the more honest 'reform the eu's rules so my county has more power'
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Fallen Hamprince posted:nothing, but 'reform the eu's rules to be more democratic' is an easier bullet point than the more honest 'reform the eu's rules so my county has more power'
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Fallen Hamprince posted:nothing, but 'reform the eu's rules to be more democratic' is an easier bullet point than the more honest 'reform the eu's rules so my county has more power'
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i have this theory that Macron is the idiot Hillary clone the media is told to root for Hamon is the guy who should win but wont because Hollande is poison and the other M guy will be the stalking horse Macron is terrible and the race is his to lose
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Top City Homo posted:i have this theory that Macron is the idiot Hillary clone the media is told to root for this seems correct given John Oliver did a French election bit and barely even mentioned Melenchon or Hamon while cheerleading Macron also international media despises socialists the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 22:36 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Fullhouse posted:this seems correct given John Oliver did a French election bit and barely even mentioned Melenchon or Hamon while cheerleading Macron Macron is the same mold as Matteo Renzi, the formless protoplasm of Italian PM that got run out of office after his garbage referendum to neo liberal bullshit Italy.
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Fullhouse posted:this seems correct given John Oliver did a French election bit and barely even mentioned Melenchon or Hamon while cheerleading Macron not 100% election-related but neo-nazis imitated an ISIS attack against Borussia Dortmund to foment anti-immigrant hysteria
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Macron is the company boss that tells you despite the bosses getting more money and technology making processes more efficient, as workers you're gonna have to work extra for no more pay otherwise your rivals gonna put you out of business. Macron is definitely gonna lose to Le Pen if it comes to it. Still not going to shut the neolibs up though.
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Top City Homo posted:i have this theory that Macron is the idiot Hillary clone the media is told to root for He talked about "ad hominem attacks" during one of the debates, so he clearly sucks total rear end and is going to lose.
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Agag posted:He talked about "ad hominem attacks" during one of the debates, so he clearly sucks total rear end and is going to lose.  just look at this piece of poo poo this is FRANCE are they really trying to convince me that the French are going to vote for a loving parasite banker?
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Top City Homo posted:
france has had two (2) socialist presidents in the fifth republic and one if them is hollande so i'm not sure why you're surprised
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The coolest thing is going to be French equivalent of Hillary dead-enders asking themselves how such a competent candidate could have failed. These conversations will happen first on Twitter, and later to pass the time in LePen's concentration camps.
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what a joke it would be and completely possible too any case Melenchon owns http://www.france24.com/en/20170413-france-melenchon-far-leftist-giving-presidential-election-frontrunners-run-money
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Fullhouse posted:this seems correct given John Oliver did a French election bit and barely even mentioned Melenchon or Hamon while cheerleading Macron Hamon I can kinda understand since he peaked a bit in February but otherwise hasn't really had any momentum and hasn't even managed to come close to Fillon, but Melenchon is a really weird omission given that some polls have beating Fillon and with Macron and Le Pen's downward trends lately, I could pretty easily see an outcome of too many unenthused EM/FN voters (or some sort of last minute deal with Hamon or Poutou to get their supporters to vote FI) leading to a EM/FI or FN/FI round 2. Either way though, EM/Macron is the worst possible last bastion against fascism. Top City Homo posted:
Even if France were somehow as indoctrinated by capitalism as America is, who in the hell watched the last 5 years of French politics and walked away saying "Hollande should have acted more like an investment banker. That would have gotten him a second term."?
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DrProsek posted:Either way though, EM/Macron is the worst possible last bastion against fascism. Fillon
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Top City Homo posted:what a joke it would be Melenchon/Bernie/your local variant: "We will give you free everything, and pay for it by taxing people far richer than you." Liberals: "You piece of poo poo."
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Fillon Good point. I keep forgetting about the "I promise to drop out if I'm criminally investigated... wait I am? w/e still not dropping." guy
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melanchon should be smart enough to realize that a 100% top tax bracket will not actually result in CEOs and whatnot paying more taxes, but as the past century has shown french politicians aren't exactly good at economy so who knows
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Fallen Hamprince posted:melanchon should be smart enough to realize that a 100% top tax bracket will not actually result in CEOs and whatnot paying more taxes, but as the past century has shown french politicians aren't exactly good at economy so who knows It should accompany flaying and castration to every CEO who moves the company overseas
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Plutonis posted:It should accompany flaying and castration to every CEO who moves the company overseas great time to be a female french MBA born without skin
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imagine how insufferable the french version of cuban exiles would be
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Corek posted:imagine how insufferable the french version of cuban exiles would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_emigration_(1789-1815)
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The Bay of Frogs incident is gonna be a major blow to Franco-American relations
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Fallen Hamprince posted:melanchon should be smart enough to realize that a 100% top tax bracket will not actually result in CEOs and whatnot paying more taxes, but as the past century has shown french politicians aren't exactly good at economy so who knows This is why you need to fight against tax evasion/avoidance and tax havens at the same time as raising the top tax rate
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Corek posted:imagine how insufferable the french version of cuban exiles would be More insufferable but less morally dubious since the lost paradise they are pining for won't be a murderous dictatorship where they just happened to be rich
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MikeCrotch posted:This is why you need to fight against tax evasion/avoidance and tax havens at the same time as raising the top tax rate even without tax avoidance or havens, a tax bracket of 100% just means no one will pay anyone more than the lower end of that bracket. it is in effect a universal salary cap which would have the effect of diverting money elsewhere, and raise or lower government revenues depending on what firms choose to spend on instead.
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BREAKGING ~BREAKING~ BREAKING CSPAM NEWS ALERT: the UK PM's office has indicated it will make a major announcement this morning (11:15 GMT), almost certainly a snap election
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Fallen Hamprince posted:BREAKGING ~BREAKING~ BREAKING CSPAM NEWS ALERT: the UK PM's office has indicated it will make a major announcement this morning (11:15 GMT), almost certainly a snap election snap indeed
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since the fixed term parliament act of 2011, a two-thirds majority or a vote of no confidence is required to call an early election. my understanding however is that only a simple majority is needed to repeal the act, meaning May could just repeal the act and dissolve parliament just like the old days
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